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Sash! posted:If I was a Star Trek character, I'd grow up to be Fajo, except cooler and even more amoral. Data, Lore, help me find B-4 to really complete the set.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Data, Lore, help me find B-4 to really complete the set. I'd have to find and destroy Data's mom to prevent her from falling into someone else's collection.
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Oct 26, 2013 03:00
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I wonder if oomox vs genocide is the "guns or butter" of the 24th century.
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Oct 26, 2013 03:43
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Astroman posted:I wonder if oomox vs genocide is the "guns or butter" of the 24th century. Genocide is bad for business. How can you sell to people if they're dead?
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Oct 26, 2013 03:44
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Luigi Thirty posted:Genocide is bad for business. How can you sell to people if they're dead? Ah, but if they're all dead then their remains become a rare and unique commodity.
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Oct 26, 2013 03:46
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Luigi Thirty posted:Genocide is bad for business. How can you sell to people if they're dead? Peace is good for business. War is good for business.
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Oct 26, 2013 03:58
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Luigi Thirty posted:Genocide is bad for business. How can you sell to people if they're dead? As of this moment, we are all poor. We go into commerce to reclaim our wealth. This we do gladly, for we are Ferengi. Remember: profit is life!
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:As of this moment, we are all poor. We go into commerce to reclaim our wealth. This we do gladly, for we are Ferengi. Remember: profit is life! You know, in those first couple of episodes with Brunt when people were talking about FCA Liquidators in hushed tones and fearful glances, I thought they were the Ferengi Tal Shiar, full of badass superspy warrior accountants who would wade into the darkest criminal underworld or the most heated warzone if it meant making sure a contract was honored or an account settled. I was pretty drat disappointed when Brunt ended up being the biggest chode of the lot in The Magnificent Ferengi.
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Oct 26, 2013 04:11
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Sanguinia posted:
I get what you're saying, but I've never been disappointed by a Jeffrey Combs character.
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Sanguinia posted:You know, in those first couple of episodes with Brunt when people were talking about FCA Liquidators in hushed tones and fearful glances, I thought they were the Ferengi Tal Shiar, full of badass superspy warrior accountants who would wade into the darkest criminal underworld or the most heated warzone if it meant making sure a contract was honored or an account settled. It honestly makes sense, though. The Ferengi are literally Bureaucracy, the society, and as such the most terrifying person within the system is the one who holds the stamps and the paperwork. They're the ones that hold the true power and all the real secrets of the system. And really, taking away that power leaves basically pathetic little men with nothing other than bad attitudes (which of course served them when they had the power, but when they lose their power it only serves to punish and diminish them).
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Hyperriker posted:DS9 supremacy, folks God, DS9 is so awesome. These are some fantastic moments, and the video about root beer is probably the greatest commentary on the federation in the entire franchise. I just really wish there had been a classic continuity Trek show that carried the torch of what DS9 did right, after it ended. How it completely "got" Star Trek while simultaneously breaking free from the shackles that held it back. Having great and well acted characters with depth who grow, plot lines and decisions that have consequences and impact, and then seeing those consequences next episode. Not to mention a setting that is stable, which doesn't allow for warp 9ing away from last weeks problem every time. This forces interesting political stuff you would never see with nearly as depth in previous shows. The gag with Quark/Rom popping into The Sisko's office through the vent is a good example of how doing those things right elevated the show. It's a simple gag that's elevated to an awesome piece of hilarity because of who the characters are, and what they have been through together and apart. Knowing all that history makes the gag and the akward interaction that much more enjoyable. If that was Wesley accidentally popping into Picards office, it wouldn't work quite as well. DS9 really showed how amazing and versatile the Star Trek universe is, while bringing out a greatness and potential in it that as yet no one had touched or knew existed. The sad thing is it was the first and only show to do so. You would think (and hope) that after a show that revitalized and elevated the franchise to a new level, they would keep it going, and learn what they could from what DS9 did right, and jump into that poo poo head first with a new show. Instead, well, we got to the point now where a new Star Trek TV series is being dreaded as much as anticipated by the fan base as a whole due to really lack luster TNG movies, Voyager/Enterprise, and now JJTrek mucking up the continuity. Bleh I'm getting depressed I'm just gonna stop talking now. Hopefully there's something that can pass as a conclusion in there somewhere. Damo fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Oct 26, 2013 |
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counterfeitsaint posted:We've talked about the oomox vs genocide thing in these threads before. The problem is there are tons of people on these forums that are only capable of viewing moral issues in complete absolutes. Tricking an employee to rubbing your ears (which, while pleasurable isn't actually related to ferengi sex) is immoral. Selling the means to commit genocide on millions of people is immoral. Therefor, both of these things are exactly the same and should be responded to in equal amount of repulsion. I know it contradicts the "capitalist with a heart of gold" narrative the writers went for later in the series, but I really don't think they were only talking about oomox in that scene.
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Oct 26, 2013 06:17
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DS9 is my favorite in a heartbeat, but I can't think of bad episodes without thinking of this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FM6Xfs2ZoY
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I know it contradicts the "capitalist with a heart of gold" narrative the writers went for later in the series, but I really don't think they were only talking about oomox in that scene. How early was it in the run? Paramount told them to tone down the creepy Ferengi sex pretty early on and Quark stopped explicitly talking about holosex.
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Damo posted:God, DS9 is so awesome. These are some fantastic moments, and the video about root beer is probably the greatest commentary on the federation in the entire franchise. DS9 used the best of TOS and TNG. It didn't expand the Trek universe, it realized it. It added grace notes and flesh to the bones.
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Luigi Thirty posted:How early was it in the run? Paramount told them to tone down the creepy Ferengi sex pretty early on and Quark stopped explicitly talking about holosex. It was pretty early. First season, Captive Pursuit.
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Slamhound posted:Pretty much all of this. What exactly changed in terms of production/writing that allowed the DS9 team to focus on serial stories around season 3/4? I always go back to the "JMS pitched Babylon 5 to Paramount, they declined but adapted the concept into DS9" rumor but there must be something concrete. Seasons 5-7 of DS9 were the best Star Trek ever made.
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pentyne posted:What exactly changed in terms of production/writing that allowed the DS9 team to focus on serial stories around season 3/4? I always go back to the "JMS pitched Babylon 5 to Paramount, they declined but adapted the concept into DS9" rumor but there must be something concrete. Seasons 5-7 of DS9 were the best Star Trek ever made. The B5 pitch was in the '80s. After TNG ended and Voyager started up and Berman couldn't micromanage both DS9 and VOY so he focused on Voyager with Michael Piller and let Ron Moore more or less run DS9.
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I'm starting a new run through of Voyager. A slower one this time, for sanity's sake. I am Bij. :fakeedit: It starts with a crawl. Oh god, it's starting with a text crawl.
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Rewatching "Distant Origin". Didn't someone in a previous thread make a list of all the things that would still show that we were here, millions of years from now, even if we were wiped out right now?
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cheerfullydrab posted:Rewatching "Distant Origin". I distinctly recall the post you're referring to but can't be bothered to go quote it. The biggest thing was that the crap in stable, high orbits will be there basically forever. At least, until something cataclysmic happens to the Sun-Earth-Moon system. Something about unnatural alloys too.
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pentyne posted:What exactly changed in terms of production/writing that allowed the DS9 team to focus on serial stories around season 3/4? I always go back to the "JMS pitched Babylon 5 to Paramount, they declined but adapted the concept into DS9" rumor but there must be something concrete. Seasons 5-7 of DS9 were the best Star Trek ever made. Basically DS9 was always the "also-ran" Star Trek show on TV it's entire run. There was always another flagship "ship exploring the unknown" Star Trek show overlapping it's run, first TNG then Voyager. So, like someone above me said, the DS9 creative team were left to their own devices a lot more than any other group running a Trek show ever was. Funny, what happens when you let creative people free a bit to tell a good story even if it requires bending the rules of the franchise, as opposed to forcing rigid adherence to those rules and as a result putting out some lovely poo poo that we've already seen done, and better, and takes no risks. Something that doesn't keep pace with how television storytelling is growing in general, and doesn't come even close to realizing it's own potential. Hell, I suppose we are lucky as hell that Deep Space 9 ended up as good as it did. At least one Star Trek show got it that right. My earlier wishing they would have capitalized on that is a serious pipe dream really. DS9 was a lucky shot, I highly doubt we'll ever get Trek as good as that ever again. When a new Trek series gets started, you know there are all sorts of new ways of making bad TV it's gonna get sucked into. Falling back into making the same mistakes Trek has always made is the least of the problem. Damo fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Oct 26, 2013 |
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hailthefish posted:I distinctly recall the post you're referring to but can't be bothered to go quote it.
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Don't forget the Great Wall of China and a bunch of abandoned shanty-like spacecraft and flags left on the moon.
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The Great Wall isn't visible from space, that's a myth started by a travel agency of all things. And it won't last for long either, most of it is already collapsed and half buried, what you see in touristy areas is 20th century restoration of 16th century restoration. You can step over most of the Great Wall.
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Commissar Ken posted:I think you're thinking about 'Time's Arrow' that everyone here hates partially because Guinan and mostly from what I can tell because of the way they portray Samuel Clemens. But gently caress all these people I love two episodes about RASCAL MARK TWAIN. Man just wants to smoke some cuban cigars and gently caress up poo poo. I may have been thinking of "Time's Arrow." My bad. I watched that edited clip that someone just posted and, uh, yup. We'll see. It seems like it's been a million years since I've been near the end of season 3 of TNG. Diving head first into Breaking Bad hasn't helped, but I'm alternating between the two now so I'm back on the Trek horse. (Space horse? Warp horse?) If "Yesterday's Enterprise" is a turning point for the series, that's very good news. I've been loving season 3 for the most part already. Onward!
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"The Cage" happened to be on TV this morning. A terrible pilot, but I thought it was a great stand-alone episode. So interesting to see all the things that were different from what TOS became in the end.
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kelvron posted:I'm starting a new run through of Voyager. A slower one this time, for sanity's sake. I am Bij. To be fair, so did DS9.
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Oh got tech support for the Enterprise would be a nightmare. "The computer has created a new life form and transported it to the shuttle bay?... Have you tried restarting it?" How does one troubleshoot the holodeck?
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Can you imagine running a defragger on the Enterprise computer? Defragging all 128 teraquads of data. 0.01% complete. Time remaining: 17.2307 stellar years.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Can you imagine running a defragger on the Enterprise computer? Alternatively, The enterprise doesn't run Windows and doesn't need to defrag.
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Oct 26, 2013 15:21
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LCARS is totally Windows RT: Starfleet Edition.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:LCARS is totally Windows RT: Starfleet Edition. "It's not responding!" "I'm locked out!" "warp core ejector is offline!" "replicators on deck 4 are all making big floppy purple dongs no matter what you order!"
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Trent posted:"warp core ejector is offline!" This reminds me of old macs, which could have the power button stop responding during a lockup.
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Geordi totally spends his time installing weird ROMs with lovely themes from guys like <TraveLLeR> he found on the net.
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*cut to main viewscreen* Romulan Ambassador is grilling Picard A bonzi buddy walks on srceen.
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 Hi, I'm Clippy, your tactical assistant! I noticed you're trying to engage in combat with a Jem'hadar cruiser. What would you like to do?
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I feel like I've just hit a vein of seriously good DS9 episodes. Things Past, The Ascent, Rapture and The Begotten all really did it for me. (Clearly I'm an Odo fan.) Is anyone here familiar with A Song For Lya, the sci fi novella by GRRM? It's very similar to Rapture- alien religion apparently makes you at one with the universe while also killing you, and the story doesn't take a side as to whether the religion is a real religion or just advanced alien mindfuckery, while the characters are forced to pick sides- is my friend crazy or are they The Chosen One? It's one of my favorite sci fi stories, so maybe I was primed to like Rapture, but I loved it and was very pleased that they didn't cop out at the end and have Sisko 'realize' he was crazy all along. They let the audience decide for themselves.
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