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Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

omakase chef

# ? Oct 24, 2013 21:57

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# ? May 12, 2024 19:58

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Otto Skorzeny posted:

omakase chef

man this is a really terrible snipe

# ? Oct 24, 2013 22:28

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

this thread gets all of two posts per hour, there's no point in snyping

# ? Oct 24, 2013 23:26

Star War Sex Parrot: Oct 2, 2003

# ? Oct 25, 2013 00:00

Star War Sex Parrot: Oct 2, 2003

post post post

# ? Oct 25, 2013 00:00

JewKiller 3000: Nov 28, 2006; by Lowtax

Monkeyseesaw posted:

since "front-end" seems to basically mean "browser" what do you call the devs working on, say, the server-side MVC site? it's front-end in the sense that it's just slinging html at the user in response to requests where the majority of the work is done via some web service but it's still working in useful languages like java or c# unless you're in some fly-by-night plang startup

we call that the backend team here, but it's not really backend, because all their java code really does is call out to the real backend services, which don't have to deal with mvc bullshit. a lot of the java's just a layer of indirection/caching

# ? Oct 25, 2013 00:40

Dr Monkeysee: Oct 11, 2002; just a fox like a hundred thousand others; Nap Ghost

Otto Skorzeny posted:

omakase chef

i specifically said no ruby :mad:

JewKiller 3000 posted:

we call that the backend team here, but it's not really backend, because all their java code really does is call out to the real backend services, which don't have to deal with mvc bullshit. a lot of the java's just a layer of indirection/caching

we have a subsystem called the backend already (it's the web services that do the real work) so the web site layer has always been the frontend. but then we started hiring html jockies to help with design and styling and things got awkward. i've still not found a good way to distinguish between "devs that work on the web site layer" and "devs that work on the browser layer". sometimes "frontend" vs. "web" is used but that's pretty ambiguous and arbitrary.

my labels :qq:

# ? Oct 25, 2013 01:29

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

if you know every http status code but not the difference between ip and tcp, you might be a "web" "developer"

# ? Oct 25, 2013 01:33

Dr Monkeysee: Oct 11, 2002; just a fox like a hundred thousand others; Nap Ghost

crosspost from the coding horrors thread (courtesy of Jewel)

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2013/10/24/php-net-blocked-by-google-false-positive-or-not.html

~*php*~

# ? Oct 25, 2013 01:52

double riveting: Jul 5, 2013; look at them go

they are having some web monkey gathering in my city which they actually proper-named (the) "developer conference". as in they didn't want to call themselves "web developers" because that would sound like braindeads who know nothing about computers.

obviously the conference program is full of stuff like how to make ruby "blazing fast".

i'll probably know some people in attendance, so i'm contemplating just buying whiskey from the money a ticket would cost and camping out in front of the venue writing compilers or something.

# ? Oct 25, 2013 02:08

JewKiller 3000: Nov 28, 2006; by Lowtax

Monkeyseesaw posted:

we have a subsystem called the backend already (it's the web services that do the real work) so the web site layer has always been the frontend. but then we started hiring html jockies to help with design and styling and things got awkward. i've still not found a good way to distinguish between "devs that work on the web site layer" and "devs that work on the browser layer". sometimes "frontend" vs. "web" is used but that's pretty ambiguous and arbitrary.

yeah we call the browser layer (javascript, html, css) "frontend", and the web site layer (java spring whatever bs) "backend"

this works out great for the REAL backend programmers. we don't fit into their team structure, so we just get left alone, and don't have to go to either team's meetings :getin:

# ? Oct 25, 2013 03:15

Pochoclo: Feb 4, 2008; No...; Clapping Larry

i started doing some frontend and some backend in php of all things. then i abandoned frontend and was "team lead" aka "here have some useless juniors and try to keep them from loving up everything". then i was backend architect with symfony2 (good loving lord was it slow). then i did research along the lines of weird poo poo like face recognition and cluster analysis using java. then i became cto and have never touched a line of code since. some days i wonder what the gently caress i even do other than get into skype calls with people who want to sell me something, and going to meetings.

the best language is no language

# ? Oct 25, 2013 04:25

Janitor Prime: Jan 22, 2004; PC LOAD LETTER

What da fuck does that mean; Fun Shoe

Pochoclo posted:

i started doing some frontend and some backend in php of all things. then i abandoned frontend and was "team lead" aka "here have some useless juniors and try to keep them from loving up everything". then i was backend architect with symfony2 (good loving lord was it slow). then i did research along the lines of weird poo poo like face recognition and cluster analysis using java. then i became cto and have never touched a line of code since. some days i wonder what the gently caress i even do other than get into skype calls with people who want to sell me something, and going to meetings.

the best language is no language

this is YOSPOS as gently caress

# ? Oct 25, 2013 05:51

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

double riveting posted:

they are having some web monkey gathering in my city which they actually proper-named (the) "developer conference". as in they didn't want to call themselves "web developers" because that would sound like braindeads who know nothing about computers.

obviously the conference program is full of stuff like how to make ruby "blazing fast".

i'll probably know some people in attendance, so i'm contemplating just buying whiskey from the money a ticket would cost and camping out in front of the venue writing compilers or something.

writing a compiler is even less useful than making ruby "blazing fast" unless you are literally contributing to llvm

for the sake of llvm i hope you arent!!!

# ? Oct 25, 2013 05:57

cowboy beepboop: Feb 24, 2001

Monkeyseesaw posted:

crosspost from the coding horrors thread (courtesy of Jewel)

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2013/10/24/php-net-blocked-by-google-false-positive-or-not.html

~*php*~

loving lol

# ? Oct 25, 2013 09:18

double riveting: Jul 5, 2013; look at them go

Bloody posted:

writing a compiler is even less useful than making ruby "blazing fast" unless you are literally contributing to llvm

no it's very useful! for learning how not to do it, of course.

# ? Oct 25, 2013 10:22

Xipe Totec: Jan 27, 2006; by Ralp

could anyone point me to some useful resources / guides for teaching coding?

there is a refugee camp 3 mins from where i work, and i'm gonna start teaching there an evening or 2 per week.
the learners would be young people 18-20 who've just finished school but are now not allowed to work or go to college.

i havent met them yet to ask what they're interested in, but i was thinking to offer them the options of:

going thru the examples in natureofcode.com
computer games with python
making websites
moocs like udacity or coursera

i'm mostly wondering how to make it a learning experience thats fun & engaging, and which can also develop some momentum.
i've only been prgramming for 1 year so dont know much, but i think i can rope some colleagues into giving a hand.

im asking advice from friends who teach 'coder dojo' to kids on saturday mornings, tho this is for a younger age range
tia!

# ? Oct 28, 2013 11:48

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

http://home.cmit.net/rwolbeck/programmingtutorial/

# ? Oct 28, 2013 11:55

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

PleasingFungus posted:

hey tef

just found this snippet in someone else's code (that I'm maintaining/twiddling) & thought of you
Python code:
def str_or_list_of_str(value):
    '''
    Coerces a value which is either a str or [str] into a list of strings.
    '''
    if type(value) == str:
        return [value]
    if type(value) == list:
        return list(map(str, value))
    return []
python

this is bothering me, why

# ? Oct 28, 2013 12:35

power botton: Nov 2, 2011

arent strings just list of integers/characters, not real strings? so its coercing lists into pythons fake lovely string implementation

# ? Oct 28, 2013 13:47

weird: Jun 4, 2012; by zen death robot

i think its the other way around; python doesn't have characters, it has one-element strings

# ? Oct 28, 2013 14:06

Opinion Haver: Apr 9, 2007

VanillaKid posted:

i think its the other way around; python doesn't have characters, it has one-element strings

yes

code:

>>> "foo"[0]
'f'
>>> "foo"[0] == "f"
True
>>> "foo"[0][0][0][0][0][0][0] == "f"
True

# ? Oct 28, 2013 14:15

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

Opinion Haver posted:

yes

code:

>>> "foo"[0]
'f'
>>> "foo"[0] == "f"
True
>>> "foo"[0][0][0][0][0][0][0] == "f"
True

i don't understand the third one; what's going on there?

# ? Oct 28, 2013 14:16

weird: Jun 4, 2012; by zen death robot

"foo"[0] => "f" # still a string
"f"[0] => "f"
"f"[0][0] => "f" # etc.

# ? Oct 28, 2013 14:20

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

the first character of "f" is "f"

the first character of the first character of "f" is "f"

the first character of the first character of the first character of "f" is "f"

...

# ? Oct 28, 2013 14:21

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

idk python but if i had to guess. the index operation returns a string so "foo"[0] is "f" and then all the subsequent calls are doing "f"[0] which always returns "f"

# ? Oct 28, 2013 14:21

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

Symbolic Butt posted:

this is bothering me, why

because typechecking is bad mmmkay

# ? Oct 28, 2013 14:22

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

VanillaKid posted:

"foo"[0] => "f" # still a string
"f"[0] => "f"
"f"[0][0] => "f" # etc.

Suspicious Dish posted:

the first character of "f" is "f"

the first character of the first character of "f" is "f"

the first character of the first character of the first character of "f" is "f"

...

oh, duh. i get it now. sorry about the confusion :downs:

# ? Oct 28, 2013 14:24

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

hey Suspicious Dish you mentioned that you hate Vala earlier, why is that?

it's for a project

# ? Oct 28, 2013 14:52

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

I work with a lot of people who really love Vala. It's not a terrible language, and it actually has some pretty awesome features such as method bodies in interfaces. My main experience with it is working with libraries that are written in Vala, and they usually expose void* everywhere as their interface.

The only other thing is that debugging with gdb is abnormally hard because you have to debug all these _tmp21 = foo(); statements that are hard to pick out the original source line. I've heard that they actually put comments for every source line, so maybe it isn't too bad now.

If it's a just toy project or app, maybe you'll like it.

# ? Oct 28, 2013 14:55

Abandon: Nov 23, 2006

lol i went to read about the new "lambdas" in java 8 today

http://download.java.net/jdk8/docs/api/java/util/function/package-summary.html
welp

# ? Oct 28, 2013 15:04

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

years and years of arguing to deliver a big stinky turd of a feature. java is the most yospos language

# ? Oct 28, 2013 15:10

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

seems fine to me. I think people were also (incorrectly) expecting linq which makes lambdas more useful.

# ? Oct 28, 2013 15:12

power botton: Nov 2, 2011

ugh those dumb people expecting a useful feature instead of a half baked one

# ? Oct 28, 2013 15:15

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

well you had p-langers going all "LAMBDAS LAMDAS LAMDAS YOU GOTTA HAVE LAMDAS!!!" and now java has lambdas that are as useful as they are in p-langs which is not very useful.

# ? Oct 28, 2013 15:17

weird: Jun 4, 2012; by zen death robot

LAMBDAS LAMDAS LAMDAS YOU GOTTA HAVE LAMDAS!!!

# ? Oct 28, 2013 15:18

Abandon: Nov 23, 2006

we should do a survey of which languages have "lambdas" where you can do anything at all with the lambda besides execute it
like say determine whether or not some I/O operation will successfully run

if you can't, then a lambda is a glorified function pointer

# ? Oct 28, 2013 15:19

Abandon: Nov 23, 2006

something something code as data abstract machine von neumann architecture

# ? Oct 28, 2013 15:21

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

java 8 adds function pointers too

# ? Oct 28, 2013 15:21

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Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

like i'd rather have c# style properties in java than lamdbadas

# ? Oct 28, 2013 15:22

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