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the english dub of nausica features patrick stewart.
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Amethyst posted:it's from gulliver's travels
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Oct 29, 2013 00:22
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angry_keebler posted:hello i too also only purchase media when the participants have political and social worldviews that exactly mirror my own and speaking of movies i never watch any movie unless i can vet every actor's personal life to make sure they measure up to my standards here's a list of all of the shows that i can watch because absolutely none of the people involved with them are terrible shitheads ender's game, the work itself, is easily read as an apologia for hitler. it is a novel that endorses genocide so yes, there are certain political and social worldviews i find unacceptable in popular fiction. for instance, accepting genocide as a reasonable thing that people occasionally do
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Oct 29, 2013 00:26
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raruler posted:what's the over/under on seeing Ender's Game if you think Card is a horrible poo poo heel ender's game is a terrible novel that should be erased from memory. hopefully the movie will be such a bad adaptation it shares nothing but the title.
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Oct 29, 2013 00:26
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Sham bam bamina! posted:unless it's a joke like it was in gulliver's travels it's still fukken terrible why
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Oct 29, 2013 00:28
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Glorgnole posted:plot-critical naked preteen shower death match
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Oct 29, 2013 00:29
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:ender's game, the work itself, is easily read as an apologia for hitler. it is a novel that endorses genocide eh, that one internet essay got popular a few years ago. it's a valid reading but a pretty out there one. the surface plot is about children being manipulated into unknowingly commiting war crimes. card is a major idiot these days but enders game doesn't endorse genocide
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Oct 29, 2013 00:31
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Amethyst posted:eh, that one internet essay got popular a few years ago. it's a valid reading but a pretty out there one. the surface plot is about children being manipulated into unknowingly commiting war crimes. card is a major idiot these days but enders game doesn't endorse genocide i remember him saying that the genocide will be portrayed as a good thing in the film, i think
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Oct 29, 2013 00:33
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Improbable Lobster posted:i remember him saying that the genocide will be portrayed as a good thing in the film, i think hahah what
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Oct 29, 2013 00:35
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i mean, that analysis uses this as evidence that card advocates genocide:quote:If one of us has to be destroyed, let’s make drat sure we’re the ones alive at the end. Our genes won’t let us decide any other way. Nature can’t evolve a species that hasn’t a will to survive…. So if we can, we’ll kill every last one of the buggers, and if they can they’ll kill every last one of us. completely ignoring the fact that this is dialogue from the villain
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Oct 29, 2013 00:37
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Amethyst posted:eh, that one internet essay got popular a few years ago. it's a valid reading but a pretty out there one. the surface plot is about children being manipulated into unknowingly commiting war crimes. card is a major idiot these days but enders game doesn't endorse genocide dude it's not "out there." let's start with the genocide part. at what point is the genocide ever portrayed in a light other than justified? the generals who mislead the children are portrayed in a neutral light. ender, who savagely, brutally beats and murders other children, is portrayed as a victim who had to beat and murder others. when genocide happens, no one is really to blame because ender is a little bit sorry when genocide is mournful-but-necessary because everyone believed it was necessary, it's a really short leap to defending the holocaust. it's not an "out there" reading. i mean holy gently caress the surface plot is "genocide is ok"
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Oct 29, 2013 00:38
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:dude the generals are not portrayed in a neutral light. i don't see how you could read a novel centered completely around indoctrination, manipulation, and childhood innocence corrupted by fashist adult realipolitik and think it advocates any of those things The entire ending to the novel is ender leading a new pacifist philosophy as a way to seek redemption for our racial sins ffs
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Oct 29, 2013 00:41
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how were the subsequent ender books i only read ender game (on a airplane)
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Oct 29, 2013 00:41
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Amethyst posted:the generals are not portrayed in a neutral light. well as a social justice warrior I don't like card therefore both he and ender are hilters.
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Oct 29, 2013 00:44
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you are also completely ignoring the political context the book was written in. a far more conventional reading of the novel is that the bugs are communists, and that the world has convinced itself that a war of total destruction is natural. the book explores the horrific consequences of that belief and refutes them with a philosophy of empathy
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Oct 29, 2013 00:45
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Shaggar posted:well as a social justice warrior I don't like card therefore both he and ender are hilters.
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Oct 29, 2013 00:46
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the "ender = hitler" argument doesn't hold much water, but there's a better essay that discusses why ender's game makes some really awful moral assertions: http://www4.ncsu.edu/~tenshi/Killer_000.htm
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Oct 29, 2013 00:48
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Amethyst posted:you are also completely ignoring the political context the book was written in. at what point do they explore any consequences? again, this is a book about a child who savagely beats other children to death. and the omniscient narrator praises him for it
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Oct 29, 2013 00:51
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Smythe posted:how were the subsequent ender books i only read ender game (on a airplane) i didnt read them but they're supposed to be bad. like rilly, rilly, rilly bad. dune prequel bad. also lol sci-fi thread gettin' double teamed by the stymies
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Oct 29, 2013 00:51
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:at what point do they explore any consequences? quote:this is a book about a child who savagely beats other children to death. um
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Oct 29, 2013 00:51
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Stymie posted:the "ender = hitler" argument doesn't hold much water, but there's a better essay that discusses why ender's game makes some really awful moral assertions: http://www4.ncsu.edu/~tenshi/Killer_000.htm there are a thousand of these essays because it is a book that pardons genocide apparently it is a bridge to far to link pardoning genocide to a famous and terrible genocide with current political relevance.
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Oct 29, 2013 00:52
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Can-O-Raid posted:also lol sci-fi thread gettin' double teamed by the stymies yeah i have finally done the needful and added blue stymie to my ignore list
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Oct 29, 2013 00:52
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:yeah i have finally done the needful and added blue stymie to my ignore list lol what the hell man? A reasoned debate about a textual interpretation of a novel gets you all worked up? someone quote this so he sees it TIA
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Oct 29, 2013 00:53
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Amethyst posted:lol what the hell man? A reasoned debate about a textual interpretation of a novel gets you all worked up? tumblr was very specific about this and I cant break stride.
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Oct 29, 2013 00:56
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we didn't even go into the fact that the novel is a classic dystopia. the very first page, iirc, features an electrical device attached to a five year old's nervous system to moderate his behavior
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Oct 29, 2013 00:56
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i thot the ender genocide was more liek the cold wars xtreme conclusion rather than the holocaust / other genocide
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Oct 29, 2013 00:57
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Smythe posted:i thot the ender genocide was more liek the cold wars xtreme conclusion rather than the holocaust / other genocide yeah, that makes more sense IMO, especially considering that it was written in 1985
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Oct 29, 2013 00:58
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I didn't think Ender's game was that good, and it some pretty weird stuff in it to boot
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Oct 29, 2013 01:00
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Amethyst posted:we didn't even go into the fact that the novel is a classic dystopia. the very first page, iirc, features an electrical device attached to a five year old's nervous system to moderate his behavior I wonder if sjws have a base rejection of the possibility of evil government that helps them believe its 100% on ender. the future will always be better for the downtrodden and all central authority will be kind and just as in star trek so its unbelievable they would be bad unless he, as hilter, led them astray.
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Oct 29, 2013 01:03
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yeah the whole novel is deeply technophobic. it's interesting in comparison to 80s techno-thriller tom clancy stuff and utopian sci fi
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Oct 29, 2013 01:08
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there is an entire sub-plot where ender finds solace in a minecraft like immersive video game, only to later discover that it was yet another monitoring and manipulation tool of his overlords
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Oct 29, 2013 01:09
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Amethyst posted:there is an entire sub-plot where ender finds solace in a minecraft like immersive video game, only to later discover that it was yet another monitoring and manipulation tool of his overlords dota is training 20 somethings for an upcoming race war against the former soviet states and south america
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Oct 29, 2013 01:13
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TOOT BOOT posted:dota is training 20 somethings for an upcoming race war against the former soviet states and south america it sounds wacky and  but on the other hand the US army literally made a video game as a recruitment tool
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Oct 29, 2013 01:16
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TOOT BOOT posted:dota is training 20 somethings for an upcoming race war against the former soviet states and south america u can start referring to me as general smythe, as its inevitable
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Oct 29, 2013 01:17
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Amethyst posted:it sounds wacky and it sucked so bad too lol
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Oct 29, 2013 01:18
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Amethyst posted:it sounds wacky and Real russians are actually very easy going and excellent at Dota. Just look at Dendi. The ones you meet in matchmmaking are operating from a bunker under the appalachan mountains.
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Oct 29, 2013 01:24
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:ender's game, the work itself, is easily read as an apologia for hitler. it is a novel that endorses genocide didnt actually read the book did you? both stymies were right hell neither of them are even being assholes this time
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Oct 29, 2013 03:00
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in other news i read a fire upon the deep as was suggested earlier in the thread and it was really good and i liked it and it was some real nice modern sci fi wait WHEN WAS THIS PUBLISHED?
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Oct 29, 2013 03:00
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usenet isn't modern. hth.
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Oct 29, 2013 03:03
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still better than most sci fi from that era where everything is the same except we have space wizards now
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