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Whalley posted:The best bit about the Hirogen is that you could imagine Rita Repulsa happily existing on their ship and she wouldn't look the least bit out of place. The Hirogen are coming! Chakotay, get me five actors without attitude! Go Go Captain Janewaaay, ooh ooooh ooh oooh ooh! I haven't watched much Enterprise - are there Nazis there? At least I don't remember any in DS9.
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Rynder posted:I haven't watched much Enterprise - are there Nazis there? Yes. 
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Oct 29, 2013 16:54
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Rynder posted:I haven't watched much Enterprise - are there Nazis there? At least I don't remember any in DS9. Yeah, right after the Xindi arc at the end of season 3 and the start of season 4.
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Oct 29, 2013 16:55
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Star Trek: There are Nazis everywhere!
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Oct 29, 2013 16:58
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Star Trek: It's life, Jim. Nazis? We know it.
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Oct 29, 2013 16:59
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What is the deal with space Nazis? I mean not some species being fascist but literally dudes with swastikas and Hugo Boss uniforms.
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Oct 29, 2013 17:00
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Sprat Sandwich posted:What is the deal with space Nazis? I mean not some species being fascist but literally dudes with swastikas and Hugo Boss uniforms. "You have not experienced Mein Kampf until you have read it in the original Klingon."
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Oct 29, 2013 17:10
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Vagabundo posted:Yeah, right after the Xindi arc at the end of season 3 and the start of season 4. The Enterprise Nazi episode is really weird, because there are elements that make you think it's meant to be completely campy and hokey- the fat mobster shooting a nazi alien, the evil aliens and nazis hating each other, the Enterprise flying over New York- but they also play it straight a lot too. It thankfully ends the temporal cold war stuff for the remainder of the series, but it really could have been some TOS level zaniness. Also, horribly placed in the show's overall storyline.
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I'm at the beginning of season 3 of Voyager and what I love is that they already have no clue what to do with Kes. At some point they realized that Neelix's near-abusive jealousy was creepy and off-putting for audiences, that Paris's relationship with Kim was more important than his relationship with women, that it's more interesting for Tuvok to have psychic problems than for her to have them and that her role with the Doctor is less important than Nurse Chapel. She just shows up to feel really hard about stuff, even more than Deanna. I've already been spoiled on her departure, but it's going to happen an entire season too late. However, I was glad to see that Brad Dourif came back for a little bit to play homicidal Betazoid man. He and the Holoclown should have gotten their own show together, their performances all turned up to eleven as the run around the ship smashing things and screaming like children. His character is written as a dull and flat pre-Dexter ~rebelling against his nature~ murderman, but watching Brad Dourif be on the edge of freaking the gently caress out is somehow still enjoyable. In fact, they could have just ported over his character from Deadwood, or Lord of the Rings, or gently caress, I don't know, Myst IV, and it still would have improved upon the horrible finale, with all of its space-spermjacking and cave monsters. In fact, if he had just telported in and started shouting "DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DID, ATRUS? YOUR SONS?" and hitting B'elanna over the head with a club, those fives minutes would be better than most of seasons one and two.
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Oct 29, 2013 17:24
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Or just a single Chuckie Laugh.
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Sprat Sandwich posted:What is the deal with space Nazis? I mean not some species being fascist but literally dudes with swastikas and Hugo Boss uniforms. It only ever happened three times: TOS, where a senile Earther says "hey what if we could try and set up a benevolent Nazi state?" and basically takes over an alien planet. Voyager, where Hirogen go rooting through the computer and found that WW2 is still a popular setting for FPS shooters so it must have something going for it. Enterprise, where they went back in time to the 40s and aliens and I never saw it but it looks like they just went full retard on it. They never just stumbled onto a planet where swastika-toting Germans arose out of nowhere.
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Oct 29, 2013 17:31
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I thought that episode of Voyager was pretty good. It was fun, unlike a lot of the series.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Enterprise, where they went back in time to the 40s and aliens and I never saw it but it looks like they just went full retard on it. It's the end of the Temporal Cold War arc(I think). I'll spoiler it in case people really care about a sub-par to pretty good sci-fi show that was cancelled in its fourth season. A faction fighting in the TCW goes back in time to give Nazi's advanced tech. They take over America, or at least the East Coast. Enterprise shows up, due to something I can't remember, and manages to foil their plans. Not really that stupid. Just an excuse to have evil-looking aliens in Nazi uniforms.
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Oct 29, 2013 18:03
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:They never just stumbled onto a planet where swastika-toting Germans arose out of nowhere. No, instead they stumbled upon a planet where the US Declaration of Independance arose out of nowhere.
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Oct 29, 2013 18:03
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:No, instead they stumbled upon a planet where the US Declaration of Independance arose out of nowhere. Yeah that one was pretty terrible.
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Oct 29, 2013 18:09
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Patterns of Force isn't bad, it at least has a solid premise. Plus, it's worth it just for Spock telling Kirk he makes a convincing Nazi. Storm Front is basically a stock pulp plot (aliens go back in time to help the Nazis) that they dump Archer & Co into to wrap up the Temporal Cold War bullshit. The amusing part is that it takes place after the end of this big season-spanning plot, but you could skip from five minutes before the end of the last episode of Season 3 to 4x03 and not miss a drat thing. It's completely unreferenced for the remainder of the series.
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Oct 29, 2013 18:16
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guys   spread the gospel of space jesus
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Oct 29, 2013 18:23
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/\/\/\ OMGFarmer Crack-rear end posted:It only ever happened three times: Oh, I haven't seen Voyager nor Enterprise, guess I just thought/made up that there were more than those.
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Oct 29, 2013 18:24
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Gau posted:Patterns of Force isn't bad, it at least has a solid premise. Plus, it's worth it just for Spock telling Kirk he makes a convincing Nazi. Well it was the end of the TCW and they only had one season left so not too shocking it never came up again. Really the bigger issue is you had this big Best of Both Worlds level season climax with the Xindi arc, and 4x03 is a great episode addressing some of the personal repercussions of that/resetting the show a bit, and Storm Front just completely gets in the way of that. If they had squeezed Storm Front in the middle of season 4 (maybe even right after the Soong arc) it would have been better.
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Oct 29, 2013 18:27
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Bicyclops posted:I'm at the beginning of season 3 of Voyager and what I love is that they already have no clue what to do with Kes. At some point they realized that Neelix's near-abusive jealousy was creepy and off-putting for audiences, that Paris's relationship with Kim was more important than his relationship with women, that it's more interesting for Tuvok to have psychic problems than for her to have them and that her role with the Doctor is less important than Nurse Chapel. Brad Dourif as the ship's doctor, who's only lines are this scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMAl2fCYgCQ
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Oct 29, 2013 18:33
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let's not forget the contributions of wIlyam chayqSpir 
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Sprat Sandwich posted:What is the deal with space Nazis? The airline food of 23rd-century observational comics.
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So has the thread talked about that Voyager episode where the Doctor has a holo-family, and the mom is played by Francine from American Dad? And he sucks at fatherhood because he tells holo-son he can't murder people, and the only one likes him is the holo-daughter? And for some reason the crew tells him he can't abandon his holo-family despite the fact that their resources are supposed to be limited? And then Kes or Paris, I forget which, tells him that even when holo-daughter has an aneurysm in her brain and is going to die he HAS TO GO BACK AND WATCH HER DIE DAMNIT. Then she asks him if she's going to die and he tells her she is even though she's like eight and she's got all of five seconds left to live, then she dies and the episode ends. Have we talked about that?
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Please please please tell me there are more episodes like Necessary Evil with Odo as a hard-boiled detective, inner monologues and all. Also, Rom's yelling is hilarious. I love DS9. 
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Oct 29, 2013 21:41
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As bad as you're describing it I remember liking that episode when I saw it (years and years ago). I don't want to go back and ruin my memories but I recall it as good.
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Oct 29, 2013 21:42
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DeclaredYuppie posted:Brad Dourif as the ship's doctor, who's only lines are this scene: Yeah, basically they should have gotten a hologram of one of his characters to hang around with the Doctor, maybe add Michael McKean's computer clown as a holoperson, all living in a Holodeck simulation of Monica's Apartment from Friends. Star Trek: Holo Be There For You.
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Oct 29, 2013 21:58
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How many cowboy and gangster planets were there?
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Cobalt Chloride posted:So has the thread talked about that Voyager episode where the Doctor has a holo-family, and the mom is played by Francine from American Dad? And he sucks at fatherhood because he tells holo-son he can't murder people, and the only one likes him is the holo-daughter? And for some reason the crew tells him he can't abandon his holo-family despite the fact that their resources are supposed to be limited? And then Kes or Paris, I forget which, tells him that even when holo-daughter has an aneurysm in her brain and is going to die he HAS TO GO BACK AND WATCH HER DIE DAMNIT. Then she asks him if she's going to die and he tells her she is even though she's like eight and she's got all of five seconds left to live, then she dies and the episode ends. Wasn't his family all nice and happy then B'elanna came in and ruined it all? Like she directly caused his daughters death.
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Bicyclops posted:Star Trek: Holo Be There For You. I'm mad they never made a holodeck episode set in biblical times. "Star Trek: Holo Be They Name"
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Oct 29, 2013 22:43
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Boxturret posted:Wasn't his family all nice and happy then B'elanna came in and ruined it all? Like she directly caused his daughters death. Yes, that's exactly what happened. The Doctor's family was flawless, like the family from Leave it to Beaver, so she made it more interesting and realistic.
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Oct 29, 2013 22:45
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Shadeoses posted:How many cowboy and gangster planets were there? There was only one gangster planet, in A Piece Of The Action. There was only one cowboy planet in TOS, in Spectre of the Gun, although there were other TOS episodes that clearly were reuses of existing sets from Western productions. (This Side of Paradise comes to mind, with the 'agricultural colony') Enterprise had another cowboy planet. TNG had a western-themed episode (A Fistful of Datas), but that was on the holodeck.
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Oct 29, 2013 22:58
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:There was only one gangster planet, in A Piece Of The Action. To be fair, North Star is one of the highlights of Enterprise.
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Oct 29, 2013 23:03
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The review. Read the review.
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The Royale is kind of a gangster planet. Sort of. Also, all of Picard's Private Dick Adventures.
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Oct 29, 2013 23:18
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Gau posted:To be fair, North Star is one of the highlights of Enterprise. Fuckin' skags.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Yes, that's exactly what happened. The Doctor's family was flawless, like the family from Leave it to Beaver, so she made it more interesting and realistic. "Interesting" and "realistic." She basically acted like one of those lovely fuckhead kids that opened up your Sim City save file on the school computer network back in the 90's and caused all the disasters in your meticulously crafted city and then saved it as it was. gently caress B'Elanna, what a shithead.
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Vagabundo posted:"Interesting" and "realistic." She basically acted like one of those lovely fuckhead kids that opened up your Sim City save file on the school computer network back in the 90's and caused all the disasters in your meticulously crafted city and then saved it as it was. gently caress B'Elanna, what a shithead. Nothing like that ever happened to me, but just reading it made me angry at those assholes 
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Skeesix posted:The review. Read the review. There are two reviews. They are both amazing for different reasons. quote:I was so inspired by this book that I killed all of my enemies in glorious battle immediately after reading it! Admittedly, a tear was brought to my eye when the baby Kahless was given his first D'ktahg. Further in, I was flooded with memories of Khristmases long ago, when my father stuffed my stocking with toys taken from his slain enemies for being an honorable child while my brother was locked in his room with a stocking stuffed with a tribble and a morsel of bread for running away from a fight earlier that year. Ah, to be a young warrior again. !Qa'Pla! quote:This is a product any Christian fan of Star Trek will find offensive. To equate Kahless with Yeshua Hamashiach is the rankest irreverence at best. Such an utterly profane publication is painful for me to see having been a Trekker since 1966 and loving the franchise. I do not wish ill on the writer, editors and publishers, on the contrary, you all just made the prayer list. I do pray GOD will reveal Himself to you in a mighty way. And I have to admit, this is probably the first Trek related book I have ever actively hoped would fail miserably. Sad to see such a thing published.
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Skeesix posted:The review. Read the review. There are two. They're both hilarious but for different reasons. edit: gently caress!
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Vagabundo posted:She basically acted like one of those lovely fuckhead kids that opened up your Sim City save file on the school computer network back in the 90's and caused all the disasters in your meticulously crafted city and then saved it as it was. You cut back on funding. You were warned, son. Reap what you sow.
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