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DrSunshine posted:I have a feeling that if we assembled all the good episodes of Voyager together, we'd have a season's worth of episodes and we could tell people who want to watch Voyager to watch these episodes in order instead. We should compile a list of these and pretend that Voyager was just a 1-season show! Two seasons, that way we can get more borderline good episodes and argue over which season is better.
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Nov 1, 2013 03:24
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Hey, remember when I made a list of the twenty best Enterprise episodes and Aatrek threw a fit because he, a man who readily admitted to not having seen all of TOS, was adamant that people should just watch every episode and watching lists were a horrible crime against sentient life?
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Nov 1, 2013 03:30
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Shadeoses posted:Two seasons, that way we can get more borderline good episodes and argue over which season is better. Two seasons (so, about 52?) would probably give us a lot more to work with, and allow us to work in some of the more fillerish/character centric episodes. We could also throw in about three or four "bij-ey" episodes to give it more of a fuller, Star-Trekky feel as well. I'd really like to get this off the ground!
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Nov 1, 2013 03:40
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Hey, remember when I made a list of the twenty best Enterprise episodes and Aatrek threw a fit because he, a man who readily admitted to not having seen all of TOS, was adamant that people should just watch every episode and watching lists were a horrible crime against sentient life? I wish I had the chance to get probated for telling him that any self-declared Trek uberfan who both humblebragged about not seeing all of TOS and defended Enterprise so fervently wasn't fit to mod an ERPing subforum on adultfanfiction.net.
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Nov 1, 2013 03:45
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I watched Catspaw and Wolf in the Fold tonight and TOS is so loving good. Aatrek should have been demodded and permabanned years ago just for not having seen all of TOS. gently caress Aatrek, long live the Trek thread.
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Nov 1, 2013 04:04
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Putting on "The Quality of Life", beard club seems to be in full effect.
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Nov 1, 2013 04:22
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DrSunshine posted:I have a feeling that if we assembled all the good episodes of Voyager together, we'd have a season's worth of episodes and we could tell people who want to watch Voyager to watch these episodes in order instead. We should compile a list of these and pretend that Voyager was just a 1-season show! We'll still wind up with people asking why Neelix couldn't have just been a guy with PTSD, or why Tom Paris was obsessed with the 20th century instead of Kirk-era Starfleet which would have fit SO MUCH BETTER, or why B'Elanna couldn't have been our window into the science side of Klingon culture instead of a halfbreed, or why Chakotay existed, or why Kate Mulgrew never got to actually act, or why Voyager got to constantly heal boringly instead of having interesting failures, or why the loving Kazon had to exist at all. At least it'd get people to watch the Ferengi episode faster, the best episode of Voyager. I'm just kidding, you said good episodes and there isn't a single one involving Kazon.
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Nov 1, 2013 04:50
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Hey, remember when I made a list of the twenty best Enterprise episodes and Aatrek threw a fit because he, a man who readily admitted to not having seen all of TOS, was adamant that people should just watch every episode and watching lists were a horrible crime against sentient life? Mind re-posting the list? I've always felt that Ent would be top tier trek with a few episodes/scenes edited out.
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Nov 1, 2013 04:50
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I can see the point in not shouting over and over and keeping people from experiencing the pleasure of bad trek but a mere list of highlight episodes is hardly some dire sin. My own Trekwatch has moved on to Unification. I am seeing first Riker, then Worf hit on this four armed piano player; it is amazing.
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Nov 1, 2013 05:01
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So after watching trials and tribbles I'm pretty sure that the tribbles themselves are the reason why the Klingon's changed appearances since TOS. Maybe at some point during the tribble war (Seriously?) the Klingons were infected by them or something. I know it was just a joke but Worf made it canon. 
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Nov 1, 2013 05:05
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Orange_Lazarus posted:So after watching trials and tribbles I'm pretty sure that the tribbles themselves are the reason why the Klingon's changed appearances since TOS. Maybe at some point during the tribble war (Seriously?) the Klingons were infected by them or something. I think this is actually the plot of a ST comic book. We know why it happened though because Ent had to crap on the funny from DS9
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Nov 1, 2013 05:08
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Orange_Lazarus posted:So after watching trials and tribbles I'm pretty sure that the tribbles themselves are the reason why the Klingon's changed appearances since TOS. Maybe at some point during the tribble war (Seriously?) Clearly you haven't seen the tribbles on their home planet.
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Nov 1, 2013 05:08
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OtherworldlyInvader posted:Mind re-posting the list? I've always felt that Ent would be top tier trek with a few episodes/scenes edited out. Someone who is not me will have to go back through archives for that. I don't know how long ago this was, and I can't find the .txt I left the list in. I believe I left in some quirky ones like Vox Sola, while ignoring horribly lovely ones like Terra Nova. He speaks shale! They'll gut us all, gut us like diggers! I go back and forth constantly on whether I love or hate Terra Nova. Experience bIJ! 
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Nov 1, 2013 05:14
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Watching "Conspiracy" again and you know what? We needed more of smug snarky sarcastic Tellarite Captain guy.
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Nov 1, 2013 06:12
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Hey, remember when I made a list of the twenty best Enterprise episodes and Aatrek threw a fit because he, a man who readily admitted to not having seen all of TOS, was adamant that people should just watch every episode and watching lists were a horrible crime against sentient life? This is a thread of healing, and all healing takes time
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Nov 1, 2013 06:52
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Hey, remember when I made a list of the twenty best Enterprise episodes So basically most of season four plus a few stragglers?
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Nov 1, 2013 07:06
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The episode where T'Pol goes back in time and invents Velcro is pretty good.
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Nov 1, 2013 08:27
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OK, really sorry for going off topic here, but if anyone has any answer it'll probably be this thread. In BSG, why the flying gently caress are the cloned apparently entirely organic models considered robots at all? They don't even have a robotic brain. Is it A: Something about them being synthetic somehow and not organic or B: lovely writing?
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Nov 1, 2013 09:22
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Probably because they can download into identical bodies upon death, they can interface with their electronics by touching Cylon cum baths, and while they're biological creatures apparently their physiology differs enough that they're susceptible to different pathogens. Also they can't interbreed with humans unless ~*~*tRuElOvE*~*~ is involved.
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Nov 1, 2013 09:32
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Blazing Ownager posted:OK, really sorry for going off topic here, but if anyone has any answer it'll probably be this thread. In BSG, why the flying gently caress are the cloned apparently entirely organic models considered robots at all? They don't even have a robotic brain. They're artificially constructed out of organic materials. They're not really robots but they're 'built'. And their brains involve 'silica pathways' so take that as you will. And yeah, it's come close enough to cross the boundaries - their created DNA theoretically describes them as a complete, normal lifeform - but that's hard for the humans to process.
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Nov 1, 2013 09:36
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Didn't the Boomer Cylon aboard Galactica at one point shove a computer cable in her arm to transmit an E-warfare program that knocked a bunch of raiders out of commission? Plus the meat Cylons are shown on several instances to be inhumanly strong and resilient, lifting people by the throat one-handed, snapping manacles, taking extreme damage and getting back up like the Terminator, etc. They're Sufficiently Advanced robots, basically.
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Nov 1, 2013 09:41
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So I'm going through Voyager and I've reached the point where it's basically The Doctor and Seven of Nine Show. About Seven of Nine, normally I wouldn't be this bothered that they added a character purely for fanservice, except it's SO blatant and Seven's character has SO much potential that is being mostly wasted. And I think Jeri Ryan is a good actress so if the writers had actually tried her character could have been really interesting 
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Nov 1, 2013 10:21
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FourLeaf posted:So I'm going through Voyager and I've reached the point where it's basically The Doctor and Seven of Nine Show. About Seven of Nine, normally I wouldn't be this bothered that they added a character purely for fanservice, except it's SO blatant and Seven's character has SO much potential that is being mostly wasted. And I think Jeri Ryan is a good actress so if the writers had actually tried her character could have been really interesting Captain Janeway herself is wasted potential. Really, it should be called Voyager: Wasted Potential.
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Nov 1, 2013 13:56
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It's true. From the premise, and even shackling yourself with the initial cast (actors and characters) it could have been so good. 
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Nov 1, 2013 13:58
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Why the heck is "Remember" supposed to be so good? I watched it last night and it's yet another episode that feels like it's pulling plot points out of a Star Trek episode table. 1) We're performing an escort mission for this race of aliens. 2) The psychic aliens are invading someone's brain again - which one of them is doing it? 3) The ideological conflict on Planet Whatever is a Nazi Germany analogue. 4) We can't prove anything because they're using abilities beyond our understanding! And so on. It felt like an episode that would have been better as a TNG episode with Deanna in place of B'Ellana. Like, I like the way the way the woman slowly builds into joining the crowd mentality, cool, but you could almost literally copy/paste the names of different crewmembers in and it would be just as good, if not better.
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Nov 1, 2013 14:23
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Bicyclops posted:Why the heck is "Remember" supposed to be so good? I watched it last night and it's yet another episode that feels like it's pulling plot points out of a Star Trek episode table. 1) We're performing an escort mission for this race of aliens. 2) The psychic aliens are invading someone's brain again - which one of them is doing it? 3) The ideological conflict on Planet Whatever is a Nazi Germany analogue. 4) We can't prove anything because they're using abilities beyond our understanding! And so on. It felt like an episode that would have been better as a TNG episode with Deanna in place of B'Ellana. Congratulations you found the way that they wrote Voyager scripts.
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Nov 1, 2013 14:27
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LEGO Genetics posted:So basically most of season four plus a few stragglers? Not even. I tried to emcompass the entire series as much as possible, to give a representative sample of the breadth of Enterprise. I think four actually got heavily cut, considering how many of the episodes are part of multi-episode arcs. There's good stuff in each season, it's why I can rewatch that series and skip only very few episodes. I think the only episode I regularly skip is Hoshi and the Beast.
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Nov 1, 2013 14:34
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Not even. I tried to emcompass the entire series as much as possible, to give a representative sample of the breadth of Enterprise. I think four actually got heavily cut, considering how many of the episodes are part of multi-episode arcs. There's good stuff in each season, it's why I can rewatch that series and skip only very few episodes.
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Nov 1, 2013 14:37
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bobkatt013 posted:Congratulations you found the way that they wrote Voyager scripts. Voyager: the only show to do a holocaust denial and acceptance episode.
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Nov 1, 2013 14:40
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bobkatt013 posted:Really my problem with Enterprise is that the bad episodes are boring. When the episodes they are good they keep your attention. However, when they are bad they just slog. This is different than Voyager when the bad episodes are not boring they piss you off and make you ashamed to be watching TV. To be fair, this could also be said about most of The Next Generation. When it gets bad, it's really quite dull, except for a lot of season 1 in which you are angry and ashamed to be watching TV.
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Nov 1, 2013 14:45
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Lost it at the Miranda Montage in the OP. That poor bastard really gets treated like the TIE Fighter of capital ships, doesn't it? You get posted to an Oberth, a Nebula, an Akira... that's just a change of duty station. You get transferred to a Miranda you better get your affairs in order and make your peace.
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Nov 1, 2013 15:27
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General Bullshit has hit warp 10 and has evolved beyond our comprehension. God help us all.
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Nov 1, 2013 15:37
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Nutsngum posted:General Bullshit has hit warp 10 and has evolved beyond our comprehension. Tomorrow they should change the style sheet so that the background is just one big image of a couple of salamanders.
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Nov 1, 2013 15:40
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Oberths got their poo poo wrecked pretty regularly in TNG, too. By the time we hit the TNG era I imagined that the Mirandas were basically second-line destroyers. They aren't meant to tangle with the big boys, but Starfleet keeps building them because they're quick, cheap, easy to maintain, and if you just need a pair of warp engines and some cargo space, they'll do the job. There's probably tons of them in the inner sectors of the Federation doing all the crap jobs they'd never give Picard. You put them in your main battle fleet though, and it's basically like an export-model T-62 going up against an Abrams in the Iraq War; story's only gonna end one way. Marshal Radisic fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Nov 1, 2013 |
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Nov 1, 2013 15:43
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Marshal Radisic posted:Oberths got their poo poo wrecked pretty regularly in TNG, too. I doubt Starfleet was still building them; just that they built so many back in the old days and the drat things just keep on going.
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Nov 1, 2013 15:45
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"Admiral, can I put in a request to upgrade all Miranda class ships to something a little less explosive? I've outlined a timeline and some details for the project here." "Hm. Looks good, ensign, except that this here isn't part of the operating budget. It's what we'd call a capital project. It would involve a campaign for donor money and a hefty investment from central, and unfortunately we live in a utopia where money is no longer a thing and we can have whatever we want. So we can't do it and tomorrow I'm shipping you to the Cardassian badlands to set up a colony as reward for having this great idea, congratulations and thanks for joining Starfleet."
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Nov 1, 2013 15:53
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I always figured Starfleet kept the Mirandas around for emergencies. Next major Borg attack, fill one up with antimatter canisters and give command to Worf. Plus, you can't promote every lovely Captain to Admiral, gotta put some of them on patrol runs.
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Nov 1, 2013 16:03
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It's like you guys have never heard of mothballed ships or never saw Unification where we got to see a Starfleet reserve depot.
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Nov 1, 2013 16:40
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:It's like you guys have never heard of mothballed ships or never saw Unification where we got to see a Starfleet reserve depot. That explains it, the Mirandas are as space-rusted and barely spaceworthy as half the Navy's reserve fleet is.
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DrSunshine posted:Tomorrow they should change the style sheet so that the background is just one big image of a couple of salamanders. This is the only thing that would make all the garbage posting in there at the moment even remotely tolerable. *edit 
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