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Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream

Oxxidation posted:

Now, now, let's give the man some credit. He wanted to eat Sette, not molest her.

In any case, it looks like he's been shoved to the wayside again.
No he pretty much wanted to rape her. First thing he says to her after he gets loose and grabs her is a reference to taking her virginity.

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Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Fabricated posted:

No he pretty much wanted to rape her. First thing he says to her after he gets loose and grabs her is a reference to taking her virginity.

No, it wasn't a euphemism. It was literal. He ate his own clothes, he tried to chomp off Sette's fingers, and then he took a bite out of her before Duane showed up again. Come on, man, try to understand the nuances present here.

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream

Oxxidation posted:

No, it wasn't a euphemism. It was literal. He ate his own clothes, he tried to chomp off Sette's fingers, and then he took a bite out of her before Duane showed up again. Come on, man, try to understand the nuances present here.



Yeah, lot of nuance there. :rolleyes:

I think she'd miss her fingers. Gee, I wonder what piece he's talking about? :iiam:

Fabricated fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Oct 12, 2013

SpudCat
Mar 12, 2012

I thought it was obvious he was going to do both- I agree with Fabricated about that bit of dialogue sounding rather rapey, but the big sharp teeth, biting/licking stuff, and the fact that the memory-ladies all had bits missing indicated to me that he likes to get his mack on and rape on at the same time.


... :shepicide:

Moving on, we're back to Jivi/Quigley/Black Tongues, and Iori is starting to give me a bit of a creepy vibe. I mean, based on what we've heard about the Black Tongues it would be surprising if they weren't at least morally gray, but in the first few pages she appeared I was kinda hoping she was just a nice lady who happens to be married to a mad scientist. Not in this comic I guess! :newlol:

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

idonotlikepeas posted:

Basically, Murkoph is Scrappy Doo.

Screepy Doo.

Tollymain
Jul 9, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I guess that Uaid is even more of an experimental superweapon thing than we first figured.

Jackard
Oct 28, 2007

We Have A Bow And We Wish To Use It
What monster is Rahm talking about? Duane?

Roland Jones
Aug 18, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo
Either Duane or Murkoph most likely; if he's been spying on that place magically he's definitely seen the former and quite possibly the latter as well.

reignonyourparade
Nov 15, 2012
Or the surprise twist option: Sette :tinfoil:.

Jackard
Oct 28, 2007

We Have A Bow And We Wish To Use It
Well it's obviously Duane now.

I had misread Rahm's "it" at first and thought he was watching a monster for fifty years, when instead he was referring to the khert

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Jackard posted:

Well it's obviously Duane now.

Maybe not. Duane killed the guy, but nothing else happened until Sette entered the scene. Sette does weird things to the khert for reasons that still aren't entirely clear.

Benagain
Oct 10, 2007

Can you see that I am serious?
Fun Shoe
Rahm's officially my new favorite character now. "I'm old, cranky, I don't give a poo poo about anything except protecting reality/probably my wife, and I will explode your eyeballs for the hell of it."

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Benagain posted:

Rahm's officially my new favorite character now. "I'm old, cranky, I don't give a poo poo about anything except protecting reality/probably my wife, and I will explode your eyeballs for the hell of it."

To be fair, it's not like Matty would've missed them.

Roland Jones
Aug 18, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo
Well that doesn't look pretty. Also that Quigley would talk about the Black Tongues like that but work with Starfish... Hm.

Meanwhile I'm wondering if the "perversion" is meant to be Sette, rather than Duane. She is the one who first entered the Khert and all. Wonder what's up with her, really, seeing as she's so different from, well, most everyone else.

Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 06:53 on Oct 28, 2013

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
It's quite clear in my opinion she is the monster/perversion/thing not properly handled by the khert. She's the one who stayed inside the khert for a while, keeping it open all that time.

TheFuzzyLumpkin
Sep 15, 2003

But you are a person, and I can't say I'm awfully fond of that.

Tollymain posted:

I guess that Uaid is even more of an experimental superweapon thing than we first figured.

The model in front of Matty in the first panel was supposed to be Uaid's finished form. Vienne got offed before she could finish building him - he's not complete.

Also, I wonder if Sette could manipulate things directly inside the khert itself because she was pulled in body and all, whereas everything else in the khert is, uh, khertish? All spectral and stuff. I wonder if she could still do it if only her personality was pulled in, though I'd imagine you have to be dead for that to happen.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Cat Mattress posted:

It's quite clear in my opinion she is the monster/perversion/thing not properly handled by the khert. She's the one who stayed inside the khert for a while, keeping it open all that time.

This page has gotten really relevant all of a sudden.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Matty is the best scholar.

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream
What is it with all of the creepy/touchy imagery surrounding Sette's father?

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

Uh, Sette, you don't look so hot. :ohdear:

No, I do not like this at all. I need happy fun times Sette back as soon as possible.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Fabricated posted:

What is it with all of the creepy/touchy imagery surrounding Sette's father?

Ashley Cope has a creepy quota to fill in each page.

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream

Cat Mattress posted:

Ashley Cope has a creepy quota to fill in each page.
I looked through the formspring archive way back and someone flat out asked if he molests her or whatever and she pretty flatly said no and that she had no problem revealing that. So at least it's not true creepiness.

But go back and look at almost every single flashback involving her father; he's weirdly rough with her (and not just the expected stuff like clonking her for starting to mouth off to Bastion or just general white-trash style parenting) and she's actively blocking it out. I remember this because one of the panels where he's telling her what to do, he grabs her hair threateningly and there's all these crossouts and squiggles over it like Sette's blocking it out.

edit: Eh why not look again to be sure. The ticketing system where I work fell over and we can't do anything right now anyway.


Look at the bottom right-hand corner.

Fabricated fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Nov 4, 2013

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


Best part is that he makes her sleep in a dogbed. Best dad ever :3:

Azran
Sep 3, 2012

And what should one do to be remembered?
Oh wow, I didn't catch those little details there. :stare:

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo
Regarding Sette and her dad: I just think she's trying to ignore the evident signs of lovely parenting on her dad's part. She still kinda idolizes him and the family, so I guess she's in denial about how bad her father actually is.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
Also the extremely likely possibility that he is not, in fact, her father.

Matlock Birthmark
Sep 24, 2005

I wanted this to happen!!
Soiled Meat
Ya. Sette's background is one of the unknowns of the comic right now. It's pretty clear that her "dad" doesn't treat her nearly as well as she remembers/tells it.

A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
See my interpretation of that scene and a few earlier was that he kicked the poo poo out of her and banished her and the zombie (or something) and she concocted a convoluted narrative about her importence to him out of love.

This stuff is also why I don't think there's going to be any shortage of grown men abusing children as character motivation in this tale.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

A Gnarlacious Bro posted:

See my interpretation of that scene and a few earlier was that he kicked the poo poo out of her and banished her and the zombie (or something) and she concocted a convoluted narrative about her importence to him out of love.

That at least probably isn't the case. Sette's in-character Formspring has her talking about Nary a lot, and their relationship seems pretty complicated; Nary obviously doesn't care about her half as much as she thinks, but he's more than willing to educate her about how the Frummagems function and interacts with her a lot (like in the comic, Sette doesn't shut up with quotes from the guy). The man isn't some half-witted thug, despite the company he keeps, and he knows how useful someone like Sette can be in his corner.

At the same time, Sette clams up whenever the physical abuse is mentioned. Whatever the reason is for those scrawled-out panels, it'd probably explain why there's a clear note of desperation in Sette's desire to impress her dad.

Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001


a redhaired girl with a tail and a cockney accent who goes on adventures with a bipolar undead guy and has a complicated relationship with her adoptive father, the leader of a band of thieves, humm sounds familiar

idonotlikepeas
May 29, 2010

This reasoning is possible for forums user idonotlikepeas!
Their family is pretty violent overall, and the culture they exist in is similarly violent. Sette's dad probably justifies what he does as toughening her up so she can be ready to run the family business after she murders him for it. (Which he expects her to do soomeday. That's how he got the business from his father in the first place, if I recall properly.)

Edit: Found the relevant Formspring stuff:

Ashley Cope posted:

His da never thought he'd be thief-lord, that's for sure. Nary was always smarter than everyone else around him - too smart - and not all that interested in the family business. Thinking he might one day make a good accountant or even consigliere, his father sent Nary to the capital for an education, but he got mixed up a few years later with the Foolscap family, an organisation that makes problems disappear for Sharteshane's elite. Nary started skipping class to do work for them, thinking it might be a way to get a foot in the door to a better class of people, but then got in a fight over money he felt he was owed, killed some guys, and had to flee back to Tawhoque.

Back home he started sinking a little more each day into the Frummagem mire, and getting closer to his father. With that came ambition. Sibling after sibling suffered violent ends - of course Nary was never anywhere near at the time - and then one night he and the old man at last came to blows. Nary cut his throat open with a broken bottle, and after that he was thief-lord of New Tawhoque.

Sette would tell the tale in a grander style. She's pretty proud of her da.

...

This may sound pretty messed up - and it is - but it's Sette's DREAM to grow up, kill her Da, and take his place. It's expected. "We're predators, girl, and don't none of us die old." When Nary's dad was bleeding to death on the pub floor it was the proudest moment of the old man's life. When your family kills you, it means they don't need you anymore, and you've made them strong enough to take care of themselves.

It's twisted, and cold, and brutal, but that's how the Sharteshanians work. When the time comes and Sette feels strong enough to do it, she could cut Nary's throat, look him in the eye as he bleeds out, whisper "I love ya, Da," and be the happiest person alive.

Brings a tear t'yer eye, don't it.

idonotlikepeas fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Nov 5, 2013

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum
It's been fairly obvious from the beginning of the comic that Sette is at the least a bastard child given the fact that she has half-demonic features, such as her tail and teeth, which are clearly not shared by her father or siblings. She sleeps in a stable, gets tossed about and is generally abused because she's not actually her fathers daughter.

She's just a tool to the Frummagem family.

SpudCat
Mar 12, 2012

Brace for incoming mage rage. If Duane isn't royally pissed off I'll be very surprised.

Also did his foot come completely off? drat, it sucks to be a zombie. Maybe he can get a peg leg.

Gally
May 31, 2001

Come on!

EgoEgress posted:

Brace for incoming mage rage. If Duane isn't royally pissed off I'll be very surprised.

Also did his foot come completely off? drat, it sucks to be a zombie. Maybe he can get a peg leg.

he just replaced the leg with the one he took off the dead guy from the love hotel

Roland Jones
Aug 18, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo
Good grief, Duane's limbs look positively ancient. Just how long ago did he die?

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


After knowing Duane as the loveable goofball father, it's weird to come back to him being the creepy zombie.

Takezio
Nov 7, 2011
God, I was waiting for this confrontation, but now I'm both excited and worried come Friday.

Roland Jones posted:

Good grief, Duane's limbs look positively ancient. Just how long ago did he die?

6 years ago, I think. And Ashley's said on her Formspring that only his torso and head are the only parts of his original body left.

idonotlikepeas
May 29, 2010

This reasoning is possible for forums user idonotlikepeas!
It's also not clear how much of his original body has to be left for him to keep going. She's been very coy about that on Formspring, presumably because it's plot-relevant. The answer could well be "absolutely nothing".

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe

A Gnarlacious Bro posted:

See my interpretation of that scene and a few earlier was that he kicked the poo poo out of her and banished her and the zombie (or something) and she concocted a convoluted narrative about her importence to him out of love.

This stuff is also why I don't think there's going to be any shortage of grown men abusing children as character motivation in this tale.

Nah, not unless the entire comic is an unreliable narrator. We've had Duane's account of how and (ostensibly) why Nary sent him and Sette west.

I still believe that Sette was sent as expendable zombie bait to lure Duane into Cresce. At one point Duane even complains that Nary's blackmailing was unnecessary because he would have agreed to the (fictionalized) escort mission for its own sake, because Duane will always drop everything to save a child in danger and Nary/Lord Winalils knew this.

EDIT: Also drat :stare: I definitely have not been paying enough attention around the edges of the flashback panels.

the holy poopacy fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Nov 7, 2013

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Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream

Rime posted:

It's been fairly obvious from the beginning of the comic that Sette is at the least a bastard child given the fact that she has half-demonic features, such as her tail and teeth, which are clearly not shared by her father or siblings. She sleeps in a stable, gets tossed about and is generally abused because she's not actually her fathers daughter.

She's just a tool to the Frummagem family.
Her teeth are filed and she sleeps in the stable by choice. But she's even weirder than you think.

the formspring gets some :psyduck: poo poo revealed on it.

http://unsoundedformspringanswers.webs.com/

I trolled through it for an hour or so just now and this is really, really weird. I think it's in reference to the scene where she tricks the lizard tracking her by draping her clothes over a rock under a tent so she's running around in just her underwear.

quote:

Sette doesn't have nipples? Oh, hey, that's right. I noticed, really, I did. Is that on purpose, or just because you didn't feel like having Sette nipples all over your webcomic?

She purposefully has no nipples. Nor a bellybutton! That's how she rolls.
:psyduck:

I'm starting to wonder if Sette is even gendered. She's probably some sort of living construct or something.

Unless Ashley is loving with the readers which is possible.

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