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Shovelbearer
Oct 11, 2003
Paragon of Lexicon

It's not actually her if that's what you meant. Still funny though.

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Starks
Sep 24, 2006

I think I first heard this song in this thread it's pretty great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nGqciWlSVw

and some of my other favourite harry fraud beats:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRBqywdG1lA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YXi64XJZTQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF6SQZa3nSk

Pretty much all of the beats on adrift are amazing IMO but the same can't be said for all the verses. Still definitely get it if you like the currensy/dza tape.

7 RING SHRIMP
Oct 3, 2012


Play posted:

Can't believe I've never seen this before as I absolutely love both Flume and Freddy Gibbs and this is a sweet tune

Flume's new album is actually streaming on p4k right now http://pitchfork.com/advance/282-flume/

I don't listen to EDM but it's got features from Killer Mike, MOP, Ghostface, Boldy James

Gregor Samsa
Sep 5, 2007
Nietzsche's Mustache

Fun Times! posted:

Are all of Harry Fraud's beats as good as this Curren$y/Smoke DZA tape? What is the subjectively best poo poo he's done?

My favorite Harry Fraud beat is probably Danny Brown -- Hottest MC.

doctor thodt
Apr 2, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcqglZv4kBE

:drat:

the unabonger
Jun 21, 2009

Play posted:

You're completely right! I thought my description was a little awkward although I still think thats the basic pedigree..

Juke is a product of the Chicago House, and footwork is a product of Juke + footwork dancing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro7OyC93hS4

TenaciousTomato
Jul 17, 2007

Interworld and the New Innocence

EATIN SHRIMP posted:

Flume's new album is actually streaming on p4k right now http://pitchfork.com/advance/282-flume/

I don't listen to EDM but it's got features from Killer Mike, MOP, Ghostface, Boldy James

Good looks

gonna have to buy this and Class Struggle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwoRyyq3l9Y

TenaciousTomato fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Nov 5, 2013

Stevie Lee
Oct 8, 2007
yo what the gently caress Scram Jones put out a mixtape last week and I just heard about it

the beats own of course: http://www.datpiff.com/Scram-Jones-Dead-Giveaway-mixtape.543544.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17-cEKOJ2LM

There's pretty dope Uncle Murda & Saigon features as well

e: gently caress this poo poo is too good to not post:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1NKaO2y0RQ

Stevie Lee fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Nov 5, 2013

Another Person
Oct 21, 2010

EATIN SHRIMP posted:

Flume's new album is actually streaming on p4k right now http://pitchfork.com/advance/282-flume/

I don't listen to EDM but it's got features from Killer Mike, MOP, Ghostface, Boldy James

Lesson to take from this mixtape - do not start with the showstopper. Gibbs was good, but it was not fresh material from Flume, so I rate it less. That first track was fire. The rest doesn't come close. Coloured my perception of the mixtape - "this doesn't compare to the first track, mixtape drops off after no. 1" when it should have been "wow, this tape got better and better, first Gibbs then this."

Play
Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray

The Fresh Prince posted:

Juke is a product of the Chicago House, and footwork is a product of Juke + footwork dancing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro7OyC93hS4

You're completely right. It sounds so much like UK Funky i guess I had assumed thats what it flowed out of, maybe with some grime thrown in. But coming from Chicago bass house actually makes more sense. I guess both UK Funky and Juke come from bassline house genres.

Anyways this is the hip hop thread so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWSVpvnwKOY

Play fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Nov 5, 2013

im gay
Jul 20, 2013

by Lowtax

Ugh. I need to find all of Gibbs' poo poo, I know I'm missing features on other albums, I need some more loving Gibbs.

PONEYBOY
Jul 31, 2013

If you haven't gotten them all yet, drat near any of his mix tapes is worthwhile, though I find the more recent the better, even if it's mostly in terms of the production. Str8 Killa No Filla is my personal favourite though, wish he would do another Slangin' Rocks. Can't say I liked Still Livin' 2 that much though, maybe it's just the comparison to the original, but it was kinda boring really.

If I just got The Infamous and liked it, and have never really listened to any pre 2004 rap, what is a good album to go from there (Up North Trip is so good)?

kevin mung
Jul 15, 2013

by Shine

andelazo posted:


If I just got The Infamous and liked it, and have never really listened to any pre 2004 rap, what is a good album to go from there (Up North Trip is so good)?

Just listen to that like 900 more times, you should just stay in a holding pattern until you know all the words to every song besides Drink Away the Pain.

edit: only built 4 cuban linx.

TenaciousTomato
Jul 17, 2007

Interworld and the New Innocence
Roc Marciano mixtape
JMSN †Pllajë† EP (not really hip-hop but heard about this artist through Ab-Soul who never released their project together)

alansmithee
Jan 25, 2007

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!


Can't remember many people talking about the new Cage album. I'm 3 songs in, and so far really liking it a ton. I wanted to put this here to see just how much my opinion ends up changing (or if it does...) but I can at least wholeheartedly recommend the first 3 tracks.

edit-11 tracks in, and initial impression is it's going in my top 5 or whatever albums of the year. it's less drug-addled angst and more burnout bitter misanthropy. reminds me somewhat of i'll sleep when your dead or skelethon, at least in tone.

edit2-finished the album, on my second listen. Really good, really dark. Production is top-notch and really helps set the tone of the album. I think this was the type of stuff Earl was trying to do with Doris and failed at, or the type of album Eminem should be making (instead of trying to recreate 2000). I don't know if Cage has the pop sensibilities that Em has/had, but he's almost certainly a better rapper.

alansmithee fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Nov 5, 2013

7 RING SHRIMP
Oct 3, 2012

andelazo posted:

If I just got The Infamous and liked it, and have never really listened to any pre 2004 rap, what is a good album to go from there (Up North Trip is so good)?

I don't really have time to compile a list of albums but definitely check out Hell on Earth by Mobb Deep. I'd put it right up there with The Infamous. But seriously there's so so so so much good poo poo from before 2004 I don't even know where to begin.



:frogc00l:

Tolkien minority
Feb 14, 2012


this mixtape is like the perfect mixtape to go to sleep to, but i really like it. solid all the way through
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPR-RARHoMY

thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012
Pitchfork actually has a pretty good long-form piece on Outkast running today.

TenaciousTomato
Jul 17, 2007

Interworld and the New Innocence

yea this tape is sneaky smooth

ashgromnies
Jun 19, 2004

Play posted:

You're completely right. It sounds so much like UK Funky i guess I had assumed thats what it flowed out of, maybe with some grime thrown in. But coming from Chicago bass house actually makes more sense. I guess both UK Funky and Juke come from bassline house genres.

Anyways this is the hip hop thread so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWSVpvnwKOY

Detroit ghettotech/jit is also a big influence/cross-pollinator/progenitor for Chicago juke...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB35gdqq9zs

40 lbs to freedom
Apr 13, 2007

i havent read this outkast thing yet so i cant comment on it specifically but if places like pitchfork and grantland would stop writing about rap things that would be super awesome

Another Person
Oct 21, 2010

Profondo Rosso posted:

this mixtape is like the perfect mixtape to go to sleep to, but i really like it. solid all the way through
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPR-RARHoMY

Just listening to this now, and I am quite liking it. I quite like his bare, barren approach. Not a lot going on, but still a lot to it. Interesting...

40 lbs to freedom posted:

i havent read this outkast thing yet so i cant comment on it specifically but if places like pitchfork and grantland would stop writing about rap things that would be super awesome

... then I google Lucki Eck$ and the only real information that exists on him is crappy online reporting on him from the likes of p4k. Could not agree with you more, 40lbs. When one of the first results for an artist is a half assed stub article on an artist from Ian Cohen that exists just for the sake of padding with no real substance to it then you know you have problem.

Kid Gloves
Jul 31, 2013

by XyloJW
I can't really tell why that Outkast article exists. It doesn't really have anything novel to say if you know anything about Outkast and it takes a ton of words to let us know that they made good rap music

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

It reads as if they both died or something. Do they know something we don't?

Robert Analog
Feb 16, 2008

shyah
Re: Kill the Architect, it's too dark for me so I don't ever really want to listen to it. Or if I do I have to listen to Shad or something uplifting afterwards.

cardedagain
Aug 28, 2006

https://soundcloud.com/sparkmastertape/picture-on-my-coffin-produced

Besson
Apr 20, 2006

To the sun's savage brightness he exposed the dark and secret surface of his retinas, so that by burning the memory of vengeance might be preserved, and never perish.

thathonkey posted:

Pitchfork actually has a pretty good long-form piece on Outkast running today.

Nah, this is really a bummer. This are no real insights and barely anything you couldn't get by reading their Wikipedia page. Some boilerplate poo poo right here.

It sucks because I love the group and I think they are incredibly important and deserve better. Pitchfork has hired Noz and Craig Jenkins in the past, so it isn't like they don't have any decent rap writers on staff.

thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012
I dunno i thought there were a few interesting observations (eg the comparison of Stankonia to White Album) but on second glance it is pretty cookie cutter stuff by and large. Does anyone have some better/notable writing on kast?

Besson
Apr 20, 2006

To the sun's savage brightness he exposed the dark and secret surface of his retinas, so that by burning the memory of vengeance might be preserved, and never perish.
Oh, apparently Noz did write some of this. But so did Ian Cohen. I guess that explains why the Stankonia part is the easily the best section and the Speakerboxxx/The Love Below section is overwrought.

Noz sums up why OutKast were so great and so successful:

"This is all part of the reason OutKast were able to sustain their credibility even as they got weirder and went pop at the same drat time—they never consciously presented their work as "the other." It was always "we do what you do, but we do it differently." Even in their strangest moments, they never positioned themselves above the trap, just perpendicular to it."

So yeah, the Stankonia section is good and the rest of the article is basically a rewritten Wikipedia page.

Besson fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Nov 6, 2013

temple
Jul 29, 2006

I have actual skeletons in my closet
The people writing that Kast article are hipsters that ignore all the non-gangsta stuff to make Kast seem like special snowflakes. Kast just had good production that was different at the time. There was a lot of stuff in the late 80s and early 90s that you could call weird now but we called it corny. After KRS-ONE kicked PM Dawn's rear end literally off the stage, you saw those groups make a hard right turn into authentic hiphop. That's when Tribe and De la took off the hippy stuff and TLC took the condoms out their eyes. That's when keeping it real started. Outkast was like a delayed reaction to the stuff done earlier by groups like Tribe, De la, Digable Planets, and more. But Kast got better over time and I don't think they got weirder, they stayed ahead of the curve.

Dart Adams, a fine journalist in his own rite, did better job than anyone describing how hiphop evolved from the late 80s to the 90s here http://bastardswordsman.tumblr.com/post/36971848850/how-toure-failed-hip-hop-and-america-deluxe-edition. Outkast were like a post boom-bap version of stuff that had come before. But the 90s was so explosive, trends were changing every year. There was no dead time, no French time, no Dedication 5 time.

temple fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Nov 6, 2013

Pimp Cauldron
Aug 3, 2002

A twisted pictoral of phoenix, AZ


This is pretty good, you guys who like Action Bernstein should check him on "Sincerely Antique" :getonmylevel: :fire:

Besson
Apr 20, 2006

To the sun's savage brightness he exposed the dark and secret surface of his retinas, so that by burning the memory of vengeance might be preserved, and never perish.
A neat little oral history of the making of Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers).

Doesn't feature any band members, but it is kind of cool to hear the people behind the scenes demythologise the whole recording process. A lot of insight into who those guys were and the dynamics of the group. They were really special, and while I have a lot of love for their solo records, I miss having verse after verse of guys who were clearly on the same page and loving every minute of it.

quote:

I remember watching Genius wreck everyone at chess, and losing to him and RZA a few times myself, and playing cee-lo for dollar bills in the lounge. Cabs wouldn’t stop for RZA back then, so when we left for the night, I would go to Seventh Avenue to hail a cab for him back to Staten Island. The driver's reaction to the switch was usually priceless.

alansmithee
Jan 25, 2007

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!


temple posted:

The people writing that Kast article are hipsters that ignore all the non-gangsta stuff to make Kast seem like special snowflakes. Kast just had good production that was different at the time. There was a lot of stuff in the late 80s and early 90s that you could call weird now but we called it corny. After KRS-ONE kicked PM Dawn's rear end literally off the stage, you saw those groups make a hard right turn into authentic hiphop. That's when Tribe and De la took off the hippy stuff and TLC took the condoms out their eyes. That's when keeping it real started. Outkast was like a delayed reaction to the stuff done earlier by groups like Tribe, De la, Digable Planets, and more. But Kast got better over time and I don't think they got weirder, they stayed ahead of the curve.

Dart Adams, a fine journalist in his own rite, did better job than anyone describing how hiphop evolved from the late 80s to the 90s here http://bastardswordsman.tumblr.com/post/36971848850/how-toure-failed-hip-hop-and-america-deluxe-edition. Outkast were like a post boom-bap version of stuff that had come before. But the 90s was so explosive, trends were changing every year. There was no dead time, no French time, no Dedication 5 time.

You can tell this is all bullshit immediately when you see "authentic hip-hop". Also, despite throwing in some random name drops like Del and others, that article pretty much ignores anything that wasn't happening in NY. Acting like anyone gave a gently caress about krs1 outside of a few blocks in NY in the 90's is revisionist bullshit from a bunch of dudes trying to make themselves sound way more important than they really were.

Tokubetsu
Dec 18, 2007

Love Is Not Enough
I've basically just been listening to Still Livin' 2 for two days straight. I'm ready for a new Gibbs album/tape.

Dat Kush
Aug 21, 2007

presidential shit
That new Bronson mixtape is crazy good. Party Supplies killed almost every song. He always flips the best samples of stuff you would never think of.

Anyone seen Deltron 3030 on tour right now? They are going to be coming to my local spot and I really like all of Del's early stuff, but I heard he sucks live? Is this true?

Kid Gloves
Jul 31, 2013

by XyloJW
I think that was true at one point but I enjoyed this tour a lot. I mostly went because of nostalgia for 3030 from like a decade ago and it was all pretty good. The band is tight and Del sounded just fine.

Dat Kush
Aug 21, 2007

presidential shit

Kid Gloves posted:

I think that was true at one point but I enjoyed this tour a lot. I mostly went because of nostalgia for 3030 from like a decade ago and it was all pretty good. The band is tight and Del sounded just fine.

Oh do they have a live band that plays with them? That's cool as gently caress, I might have to go now.

Kid Gloves
Jul 31, 2013

by XyloJW
Yeah it was Automator on a laptop and then dudes on guitar, bass, and drums.

im gay
Jul 20, 2013

by Lowtax

Tokubetsu posted:

I've basically just been listening to Still Livin' 2 for two days straight. I'm ready for a new Gibbs album/tape.

Still Livin' 2's production is too good

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Tokubetsu
Dec 18, 2007

Love Is Not Enough
It has a very old west means trap vibe I'm feeling. The whiny? synths. Excited for whatever project it's a part of.

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