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Ardent Communist posted:Actually, it's changed a couple times. First it was an Imperial Guardsman who's came up in books before and is Ollanius Pius who is probably still going to be that guy , then it was an Imperial Fist, then a Custodes.  only killing him.TBH if a dude takes your arm off you're probably going to be going beyond "I'll try redeem him", gently caress you Lucas and your bullshit.
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:I would buy them off of Amazon but I'm a terrible nerd and if people saw me reading books about space man's at the age of 30 I would kill myself. The Kindle lets me hide my shame (and the covers) at least! Why would anyone care that you're 30 and reading Horus Heresy and why would anything they think bother you to the point where you have shame? Kind of poo poo is that? It's not like you're sitting around blaring the audiobooks with sound effects.
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AndyElusive posted:Why would anyone care that you're 30 and reading Horus Heresy and why would anything they think bother you to the point where you have shame? Kind of poo poo is that? All I know is that I also take off the dust sleeves before taking my space man books out in public.
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Arquinsiel posted:This is an interpretation I've not seen before. Wait until Abnett writes it before we get a definitive answer, but anything I've read so far puts the Emperor in pure killmode when he teleports over. There were a couple of links to versions of the story, including the first ever published by GW, previously in the thread but the two I have bookmarked are down now. Admittedly, my knowledge of the fluff is based on 4th or 5th version (anno 1999 or so) + the HH books, which is the only part of GW I follow nowadays.
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Demon Of The Fall posted:All I know is that I also take off the dust sleeves before taking my space man books out in public.
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Nov 4, 2013 14:41
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I promise you if you're worrying what other people think of your reading material you worry too much about what others think.
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berzerkmonkey posted:People could care less what you're reading.
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Baron Bifford posted:I take it you guys have forgotten what high school was like. But he isn't in high school, he's thirty. At that age most people don't really care, and if they do it shouldn't really worry you too much. Although to be honest I never thought of genre sci-fi as being something worth being embarrassed over anyway.
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Baron Bifford posted:I take it you guys have forgotten what high school was like. Yes. Because it turns out none of that bullshit social shaming mattered after the fact when you're a grown, mature adult who's not overly beholden to other people opinions. But yeah, I don't got around throwing my nerdy interests in everyone's faces because there is a nice middle ground where I accept other people's right to not give a poo poo about what I like either.
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Well, I was exaggerating the point a little bit for the sake of post. I really don't care that much about what people think about the things I read, but obviously it is at least a little concerning since I made the joke. Anyways, I am sorry for causing a stupid derail! The point I was trying to make was that 200 dollars was a lot to spend for a collection of ebooks. Hot Dog Day #82 fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Nov 4, 2013 |
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:Anyways, I am sorry for causing a stupid derail! The point I was trying to make was that 200 dollars was a lot to spend for a collection of ebooks.
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Has anyone read Pandorax? I'm about 3/4 through, and I think it's worse than Battle for the Abyss. Maybe it's just me, but somehow a combination of the entire chapter of the Dark Angels, Draigo, and a entire brotherhood of Grey Knights comes off as the most bland story ever. Is it just me?
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CZ Dunn posted:In the Pandorax System, on the death world of Pythos, an ancient secret that has laid buried for millennia has been unearthed… Ignorant of this terror, troopers of the Catachan 183rd, stranded on Pythos and under the command of Colonel ‘Death’ Strike, find themselves under attack by the forces of Chaos. Daemons in their thousands flock the sky, and none other than Warmaster Abaddon leads the attack. With the Death Guard and Black Legion arrayed against them, the Catachans appear to be doomed, until salvation arrives in the form of the entire Dark Angels Chapter, led by Master Azrael and a host of heroes. But what is the so-called ‘Damnation Cache’? What secrets does it harbour and why has it also attracted the attention of the daemon-hunting Grey Knights??
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berzerkmonkey posted:Hoo boy... The entire chapter of Dark Angels (and a host of heroes to boot!)? Black Legion lead by Abbadon himself? Just the blurb screams "I am not good! Do not read me!" Haha wow, who wrote that? It sounds pretty drat terrible.
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berzerkmonkey posted:Hoo boy... The entire chapter of Dark Angels (and a host of heroes to boot!)? Black Legion lead by Abbadon himself? Just the blurb screams "I am not good! Do not read me!" dat fukkan blurb posted:In the Pandorax System, on the death world of Pythos, an ancient secret that has laid buried for millennia has been unearthed
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VanSandman posted:Haha wow, who wrote that? It sounds pretty drat terrible. CZ Dunn Also, it's "An Apocalypse Novel", whatever that means.
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Helicon One posted:CZ Dunn
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Arquinsiel posted:It means all the special characters on the table at once and everything is dead by turn 2, but it took three hours so we're all bored anyway and just want to go home. And the latest rulebook took out the only good trick that Dark Eldar had, so gently caress it.
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I know its fantasy but is Gortex and Felix worth the read?
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Waroduce posted:I know its fantasy but is Gortex and Felix worth the read? Gotrek and Felix, and eh SOMETIMES. It does action well, but character development will be light at best in favor of action and more action.
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It's decent pulp fantasy until Giantslayer, at which point it goes off the rails a bit. Still, a fun read until that point.
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Waroduce posted:I know its fantasy but is Gortex and Felix worth the read? Now I just really want to read a tale about a crazed Khornate berserker named Felix and his demon-axe Gortex.
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AndyElusive posted:Now I just really want to read a tale about a crazed Khornate berserker named Felix and his chain-axe Gortex. Sorry, it's his comfortable and functional clothing instead.
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VanSandman posted:Sorry, it's his comfortable and functional clothing instead. I'd still read it, in public, without shame, dust-cover on.
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VanSandman posted:Sorry, it's his comfortable and functional clothing instead.
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Gortex sounds kind of like an evil tornado made of blood. Which sounds stupid enough that I bet it's already in a Ben Counter / Graham McNeill book set on a daemon world.
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Gotrek and Felix is Warhammer Fantasy bolterporn. I think it's pretty good as long as you realize that it's a pulp adventure book and not a 'serious' series. I've got the first two omnibus books from the 50% bookstore and that's true of those, at least.
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Cream_Filling posted:Gortex sounds kind of like an evil tornado made of blood. Which sounds stupid enough that I bet it's already in a Ben Counter / Graham McNeill book set on a daemon world. Sentient demon weather? Believe it or not I recall such a thing in the first Soul Drinker's novel.
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berzerkmonkey posted:So I finished Vulkan Lives and I gotta say, I didn't think it was a bad book at all. It kept my attention throughout and while Kurze did do a lot of mustache twirling, I didn't think it detracted too much from the overall story. Definitely a decent read and a neat little twist added to one of the Primarchs. The reason I think it was bad, properly bad and not just below average, was that they are ruining the portrayal of Kurze that ADB set up in his night lords novels and lord of the night. In ADB's novels you get a series of entirely different perspectives on Kurze from the point of view of characters who view him in entirely different ways. Zso Sahall sees him as a noble soul tormented with madness and a dark side that he was constantly at war with. I can't remember the exact specifics but Zso honestly believes that the noble side of Kurze wanted him to lead the night lords and shape them into something 'better' than the murdering butchers they are. Fear is the weapon not the reason etc. He believes the story Kurze told him about how the emperor demanded kurze become that weapon of fear and how Kurze didn't tell his brothers that the emperor had directly sanctioned his actions even while he was publicly chastised for them. He believes that there were assassins sent to kill Kurze long before the heresy even occurred. The Kurze as seen by Zso is a man who gave up everything for his father and was punished for it. Even in that same novel you get a night lord demon prince telling him he was totally wrong and Kurze intentionally set him up to disappear so that he couldn't influence the legion as 1st captain and that kurze and the legion were always psychopaths and that the storys he told Zso were standard mad Kurze bullshit. In the night lords trilogy you get the same thing, the characters all have different perspectives on Kurze and the legion. What was great about how ADB wrote about Kurze is that you are left not knowing truly what Kurze was. Was he the son who sacrificed everything for his father? Was he always a murdering psycho? Was he a Jekyll and Hyde type character torn between the pursuit of justice and the barbaric murderer inside him? It could be any of them or a combination of all of it. Its a great portrayal of the character. Now here comes Vulkan lives. In it Kurze is a mustache twirling poorly written ninny. That is why Vulkan lives is bad. On an entirely different note, am I the only one to suspect that knife that is getting a lot of attention that Ol Pious is carrying is going to end up in the emperor and not Horus? Might explain why the psychic god who can snuff Horus out like a candle ends up in a chair for the next 10000+ years.
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Abnett's Kurze is pretty dang mustache twirling, but it works since it's Abnett and his Kurze is pretty obviously loving nuts. Personally I believe the Night Lords were only a few years away from being sanctioned and getting the Wolves at their door before Horus decided to launch his rebellion. It would not surprise me one bit to find that out in a future novel. I think what makes Kurze and the Night Lords as a whole work is the massive level of cynicism and fatalism they carry with them. They never believed in the Imperium, they know they're all bastards at the core - they persist because they really loving hate others, not because they have their own designs for the galaxy. I'm actually quite curious how the Word Bearers will be portrayed after the Heresy fails. It would be an interesting counter-point to Lorgar's arc in First Heretic if his crisis of faith leads him to blame Horus for being inadequate rather than himself for being wrong like he did after Monarchia.
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Mr Teatime posted:Now here comes Vulkan lives. In it Kurze is a mustache twirling poorly written ninny. That is why Vulkan lives is bad. Mr Teatime posted:On an entirely different note, am I the only one to suspect that knife that is getting a lot of attention that Ol Pious is carrying is going to end up in the emperor and not Horus? Might explain why the psychic god who can snuff Horus out like a candle ends up in a chair for the next 10000+ years. The Emperor is holding back because he thinks there is still hope to save Horus, but finally realized the error of this thinking, and literally blows his psychic wad in killing Horus. This is why he is in the Throne - because he is at death's door, not because he gets pricked by a warp knife.
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berzerkmonkey posted:Yeah, but again, the story wasn't about Kurze. In addition, we only really see Kurze in the brief moments before he kills Vulkan. I didn't think it was a strong characterization of Kurze by any means, but I don't think it was terrible either. That is the current version of events, then again the current version of events has random guardsman Ollanius pious doing something heroic that saves the emperor. Who knows whats actually going to go down when the Oll we get in the HH series reaches that showdown with a fancy warp knife in hand. I just have a hunch that they are going to do some silly thing where the emperor is wounded by that thing rather than be so ruined by Horus. That knife even got its own short story in mark of calth told from the point of view of the knife (its actually pretty good). Its pretty likely that knife is going in one of them and it never made sense to me that even a Horus juiced with chaos would injure the emperor that badly or that the emperor would hold back knowing what chaos is and knowing that Horus had already killed a bunch of his other sons. I mean he walks in on Horus having just killed Sanguinius, is he really holding back after that?
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berzerkmonkey posted:The Emperor is holding back because he thinks there is still hope to save Horus, but finally realized the error of this thinking, and literally blows his psychic wad in killing Horus. This is why he is in the Throne - because he is at death's door, not because he gets pricked by a warp knife.
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Two schools of thought: 1) He burned out taking down Horus and the gods/daemons holding him; 2) He's unable to because the Golden Throne is holding him in some sort of stasis. In the old fluff, his body is pretty much dead, and if he was released from the Throne, he would ascend as a being of pure psychic energy and would actually be able to take on the Chaos Gods on their own turf.
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Yeah that was the old Star Child/Illuminati angle from one of the Books of Chaos, right? I think they squashed that in the third or fourth edition fluff where the Inquisition massacred the Illuminati for being "corrupted by Tzeencth" or some such.
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VanSandman posted:I bet Emperor vs Horus will get rewritten somewhat, like the amount of psychic power required to kill Horus will be part of the reason he's near death's door afterwards. I like this hypothetical because not only does it dovetail with the established corpse-god outcome, it gently walks back the idea of Emperor as utter deus ex machina. Yes, he technically can channel enough power to obliterate even one of his sons hopped up on the powers of chaos, but he'll have to permanently(?) gently caress himself up in the process. He knew this all along and that's why he didn't want to do it unless he absolutely had to. Much better than the idea of an Emperor who can destroy anyone at no significant effort or cost to himself, which, in addition to lacking coherence with the fact of him becoming a zombie after the fight with Horus, was always sort of eye-rolling from a storytelling perspective. It reads like bad fanfiction (which to be fair is apparently the sort of creative caliber it originally came from, along with Obi-Wan Sherlock Clouseau et al.).
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