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Mr. Jive posted:It's easy to wear pants in paradise, but the Maquis do not live in paradise. Out there in the demilitarised zone, all the problems haven't been solved yet. Out there, there are no pants, just people. Angry, scared people in their knickers who are going to do whatever it takes to avoid chafing and jock itch whether it meets with Federation approval or not. LBJ was truly ahead of his times. Also solar sails aren't even science fiction.
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Otisburg posted:I had to google this to make sure you weren't talking poo poo about Avery Brooks. Can all future sports analogies be American Football or NASCAR so that American posters aren't inconvenienced? TIA I love "In the Pale Moonlight", and it is my favorite DS9, but for favorite Trek, I'm going with "Inner Light" which is just a bit more affecting emotionally for me.
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Nov 5, 2013 06:05
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In The Pale Moonlight is probably the best episode, but it really depends on having seen basically all of TOS, TNG, and DS9 to really feel the impact. Inner Light and equally good The Visitor might be great television even if you'd never watched any Star Trek previously.
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Nov 5, 2013 06:11
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Adam Bowen posted:In The Pale Moonlight is probably the best episode, but it really depends on having seen basically all of TOS, TNG, and DS9 to really feel the impact. Inner Light and equally good The Visitor might be great television even if you'd never watched any Star Trek previously. What do yall are the episodes that best represent the different series as a whole? Both of those ones (Inner Light and The Visitor) are obviously seriously divergent from the norm. I think if I wanted to get someone into DS9, I'd show them Civil Defense. Everyone in the ensemble is there and has something fun to do, it's twisty and tense, and it has Garak AND Dukat! What more could you need? But it's still fundamentally a 'regular' episode.
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Nov 5, 2013 06:29
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Devil in the Dark for TOS and Darmok for TNG. They're good episodes that represent what I see as the central theme of each series. Actually I guess they're basically the same story but whatever. I don't know for DS9, maybe Duet or Necessary Evil? I had to look up episodes to remember those but I remember them being good and they touch on the Cardassian/Bajoran conflict. A lot of the good episodes that I feel represent the series pretty well wouldn't really fit because of how much the show depends on long story arcs. Maybe The Jem'Hadar would work? For Voyager I'd just pick any episode at random, knowing that there's a 90% chance it would be terrible poo poo that pounds the reset button in the last 5 minutes, a perfect representation of the entire series. I've still got about 10 episodes of Enterprise to go so it's harder to pick for that. Probably one of the completely predictable and bland but not quite bad episodes that all blurred together for the first 2 seasons. Or just an episode of Quantum Leap.
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Nov 5, 2013 07:11
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No, Duet works perfectly for DS9. In-universe it really lays out the core beliefs and issues on both sides of the Cardassian/Bajoran conflict (and how the societies involved are slowly coming to terms with that) and gives you a perfect example of the excellent character acting you can expect from the best of DS9. On a meta level it works, too - it's one of the episodes that tackles the core themes of the show, that being reconciliation, learning to live with people you don't necessarily always like and moving on past your disagreements (and yes, Trek always dealt with this to some degree but DS9 is all about that since it's a static location) and doing the right thing, even if it isn't what you want to do at first. Hell, I'd actually say that Duet is up there for Great Television consideration alongside Pale Moonlight and Inner Light. Harris Yulin was goddamned dynamite in that episode. SpaceDrake fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Nov 5, 2013 |
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Yessss Odo and Kira, finally! Try as I might, I am just not invested in Dax and Worf, or Sisko and... that captain lady, or, god help me, Rom and Leeta, or any other couple on this show. But I have been waiting excitedly for poor Odo to get off his artifically sculpted rear end and make out with Kira, and what a perfect first kiss for the two of them (ie, prefaced by irritated shouting).
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Nov 5, 2013 07:46
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showbiz_liz posted:Yessss Odo and Kira, finally! Try as I might, I am just not invested in Dax and Worf, or Sisko and... that captain lady, or, god help me, Rom and Leeta, or any other couple on this show. But I have been waiting excitedly for poor Odo to get off his artifically sculpted rear end and make out with Kira, and what a perfect first kiss for the two of them (ie, prefaced by irritated shouting). I can not help but hate Kasidy Yates due to her playing the completely unlikable Sherry Palmer.
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Nov 5, 2013 07:55
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I've been marathoning Star Trek (TNG, DS9, and Voyager) intermingled with Farscape, Babylon 5, and Battlestar Galactica, and I'm reminded just how spoiled we were throughout the 90s into the early 2000s for space dramas. What have we had since 2006? I can't think of a thing.
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I like to think of Duet and Waltz as being twin episodes, where the fundamental problem is the same (two parties hate each other, reconciliation is prevented by the lies at least one party believes) but the conclusions are opposite of each other. In Duet, Kira learns to set aside her prejudices and discovers that a man presenting himself as evil is actually a very good man, and if they hadn't ended with the guy getting shanked (an ending I'm not totally a fan of, I would've liked to have seen that character come back later, but it does drive home the point). In Waltz, Sisko has to learn to NOT set aside his prejudices, that this man presenting himself as a good man is actually, deeply broken and evil, and moving on past their disagreements is simply no longer an option. Both episodes have the Cardassian character reveal their true self, but where Maritza comes to grips and accepts the evils his people have done and is able to forgive himself and live (briefly) with his minor role in them, Dukat stops trying to whitewash his role in the events and goes completely off the deep end. Kira and Sisko mirror this too, where Kira learns to see things from the Cardassian perspective and accepts the ugliness of the both sides in the Occupation, she moves towards neutrality, whereas Sisko becomes increasingly involved in stopping the Cardassians/the Dominion and protecting Bajor, often at great costs. That ties in with the disillusionment at the core of In the Pale Moonlight and the general arc of Sisko moving further away from the Federation Captain ideal as he becomes more and more focused on his role as Emissary. Duet and Waltz are almost like book-ends, dividing the beginning, middle and ending of the show, moving from a sharply divided conflict drawn in black and white, to a gray-area of uneasy tension, and ending in a resolution back into a sharply divided conflict where there's greater understanding of the other side but also a greater determination to stop them. Uh basically what I'm saying is Duet and Walts are really good episodes and I like DS9 
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Zonko_T.M. posted:Uh basically what I'm saying is Duet and Walts are really good episodes and I like DS9 DS9 has this effect on people. Embrace the  .Scudworth posted:Aaaaaand then of course it takes the entire episode for Kira to understand that her mom sucked Cardie dick for 7 years so she could live, and she still hates her for it. Oh, Kira. showbiz_liz posted:But but COLLABORATOR This is sort of the point of the episode, though. Kira had previously placed her mother on a pedestal, and now learning that, not only was her mother unquestionably what Kira's society would refer to as a capital-C Collaborator, but learning that she herself was a beneficiary of these actions leaves her not entirely sure what the hell to feel. She wants to still love her mother, but she can't, but she should unless she's an ungrateful little poo poo, but sweet Prophets she can't because what the gently caress Mom, and, welp. I actually rather liked that episode because of the emotional complexity which Visitor generally managed to pull off, especially by the end.
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If we wanted to create a short list of episodes that represent or summarize DS9, by god there better some more Garak up in that poo poo. Improbable Cause and The Die is Cast, as well as In Purgatory's Shadow and By Inferno's Light are some of my favorite episodes. Or the Wire. Or Caradassians. Or Our Man Bashir. Just include every Garak episode.
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I see the Trek Thread is talking about sports again then I saw a bunch of cricket posts and realized there was no sports involved. counterfeitsaint posted:If we wanted to create a short list of episodes that represent or summarize DS9, by god there better some more Garak up in that poo poo. Improbable Cause and The Die is Cast, as well as In Purgatory's Shadow and By Inferno's Light are some of my favorite episodes. Or the Wire. Or Caradassians. Or Our Man Bashir. Just include every Garak episode. Basically any episode with Cardassians.
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In the future, after people stop watching baseball (which is the most sensible sports thing Star Trek has ever done), the most popular sport will be American football, with a few changes. 3D football in a zero G environment. The purpose of the offensive line in this new environment will be to serve as a physical launch point for running backs and receivers to propel themselves throughout the playing area. Safeties now have rocket packs to propel themselves, unassisted. All quarterbacks are required to have cybernetic arms that double up as football cannons. 1st AD fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Nov 5, 2013 |
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Something that bugs me in that episode is that a Spocks-only spaceship seems to go against the cosmopolitan, enlighted spirit of the Federation, and would not be permitted in Starfleet. It's space-racist. It's spacist. Unless maybe it's like the HBC of spaceships and Terrans are welcome to apply there but generally don't?
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Nov 5, 2013 13:57
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Scudworth posted:Can we just take a moment to appreciate how deeply hosed up and evil it is, on every level, that Gul Dukat phones Kira on her dead mom's birthday just to let her know her mom was a whore? No no no, it's not "your mom was a whore", that's too impersonal. It's "I hosed YOUR MOM". Huge difference. Dukat  .
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Nov 5, 2013 13:59
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Gul Dukat was quite the fella.
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DoctorWhat posted:No no no, it's not "your mom was a whore", that's too impersonal. I'm astonished Dukat didn't show up with an I hosed YOUR MOM birthday cake. Also streamers and Cardassian strippers.
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Writer Cath posted:I'm astonished Dukat didn't show up with an I hosed YOUR MOM birthday cake. Also streamers and Cardassian strippers. Bajoran strippers.
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Writer Cath posted:I'm astonished Dukat didn't show up with an I hosed YOUR MOM birthday cake. Also streamers and Cardassian strippers. There's always the Gratitude Festival. Really, its just more proof the Cardassians were basically the best written species. There wasn't one specific character I can think of that wasn't intruiging and nuanced.
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Trickjaw posted:Cardassians were basically the best written species. There wasn't one specific character I can think of that wasn't intruiging and nuanced. Well, there was Legate Broca.
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Otisburg posted:Something that bugs me in that episode is that a Spocks-only spaceship seems to go against the cosmopolitan, enlighted spirit of the Federation, and would not be permitted in Starfleet. It's space-racist. It's spacist. Well, the Enterprises are all like 90% Terran right? So who's the REAL spacist here?
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Adam Bowen posted:Devil in the Dark for TOS and Darmok for TNG. They're good episodes that represent what I see as the central theme of each series. Actually I guess they're basically the same story but whatever. Necessary Evil is definitely one of the best, but it's a bit different from most DS9 and Star Trek in that the narration, plot and feel are very heavily influenced by the hardboiled detective stories from the noir era. Unlike many stories where that's done, instead of just imitating Chandler's cadence and turning it into a Tracer Bullet joke, they really wrap the heart of the genre around their science fiction space station show, creating a pretty good and interesting genre blend.
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kelvron posted:Bajoran strippers. "Maaaajor... I'm hurt that you would say that. I'm HELPING these women, providing them with the opportunity to work, and be admired for their charms."
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Nov 5, 2013 15:13
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The Enterprise-J is supposed to be over 50% non-Terran.
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Agent Daniels is around 50% non-human, too. Space-miscegenation 
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showbiz_liz posted:Well, the Enterprises are all like 90% Terran right? So who's the REAL spacist here? All I'm saying is how come Vulcans can use that word but I can't ? It's a double standard.
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Otisburg posted:Man, if Gul Dukat went up against Picard, Dukat would have ended up wearing Picard's flensed-off face for laughs, wouldn't he? Dukat was too hardcore to be a TNG villain to be dealt with by treknobabble and Picards speeches about the superiority of Space Socialism. Picard would give a stern speech to Dukat, and Dukat's logic would be broken and he'd jump into a plasma conduit.
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I was just... using the facilities and realized something. Section 31 is run by a guy named Sloan, is always watching everyone, and handles all the dirty work of the Federation. Section 31 is a motion-sensing toilet.
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He'd have to wait for Geordi to finish his level 1 diagnostic on that plasma conduit, though.
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DoctorWhat posted:I was just... using the facilities and realized something. It's built into holodeck and replicator control too. Imagine some poor pawn of Sloan having to keep tabs on the enterprise crew.
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Otisburg posted:Something that bugs me in that episode is that a Spocks-only spaceship seems to go against the cosmopolitan, enlighted spirit of the Federation, and would not be permitted in Starfleet. It's space-racist. It's spacist.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:God, can you imagine how retarded gridiron is in the Federation future? You think it's just rugby for pussies now, you just wait until players hit the field wearing ambo-jyutsu kit, while computers are monitoring player trajectories and manipulating their momentum to be non-injurious with forcefields and tractor beams. May it's like the arena football they play in Starship Troopers? Wrong federation, I guess.
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Football was replaced about a century after WWIII with Parrises Squares; a grueling, violent sport where people DIE.
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1st AD posted:In the future, after people stop watching baseball (which is the most sensible sports thing Star Trek has ever done), the most popular sport will be American football, with a few changes. The
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Moai Ou posted:A buddy of mine asked me to show her some TNG since she's getting into Trek. Her only exposure to the franchise is Wrath of Khan thru The Final Frontier and Into Darkness, with WoK being her favorite. I'm planning on starting her off with three episodes, but I only have the first 3 seasons right now. So far my choices are Q Who, and The Measure of A Man. From a few pages ago, but I don't think anyone responded. I'd stay away from Manhunt since it's a Troi/Lwaxana heavy episode, if you're looking for something light and fun. Maybe Elementary, Dear Data or The Royale? Both are pretty fun and campy episodes after the seriousness of your other two episodes.
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DemeaninDemon posted:It's built into holodeck and replicator control too. There's a special file just for Barclay. Agents are limited in the number of times that they work on it, after which they are temporarily relieved of duty for psychiatric care. Something happened when they left one agent in charge of the Barclay file for too long. Never again. I'm watching Scientific Method, Voyager's version of Schisms. Far less spooky, and features the worst old person makeup ever.  That's not an old man. That's a goddamn Narn.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:God, can you imagine how retarded gridiron is in the Federation future? You think it's just rugby for pussies now, you just wait until players hit the field wearing ambo-jyutsu kit, while computers are monitoring player trajectories and manipulating their momentum to be non-injurious with forcefields and tractor beams. If the computer can manipulate the players to make sure they don't hurt each other (why is this a bad thing????) why would you need to wear body armor?
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