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Otisburg posted:Something that bugs me in that episode is that a Spocks-only spaceship seems to go against the cosmopolitan, enlighted spirit of the Federation, and would not be permitted in Starfleet. It's space-racist. It's spacist. I think the deal is that most starships have a single environmental setting, so you end up with a crew that likes that setting. So a Vulcan only ship makes sense since you can have your gravity and temperature settings at Vulcan standard instead of Earth standard. It's why most of the Enterprises have 90%+ Human crew (besides the obvious "that way we can save on makeup and prosthetics costs") because it's damned uncomfortable for non-Humans to live there for years on end. Notice, for example, that both the NCC-1701 and the NCC-1701-D had exclusively humans or half-humans and Worf (who was raised on Earth) on the bridge crew. And from what little we saw of NCC-1701-B and NCC-1701-C there were no non-humans at all.
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One of the things I liked about DS9 is that they actually made references to this, with the Cardassians complaining about how cold it is on Federation ships and stations, and the reverse for non-Cardassian races on Cardassian ships.
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Nov 5, 2013 17:07
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Jonas Albrecht posted:I've been marathoning Star Trek (TNG, DS9, and Voyager) intermingled with Farscape, Babylon 5, and Battlestar Galactica, and I'm reminded just how spoiled we were throughout the 90s into the early 2000s for space dramas. What have we had since 2006? I can't think of a thing. Space opera really tends to lean on being more bombastic and theatrical, which is kind of the opposite direction television's been going for a long time now. Reality TV has also taken a big bite out of the general market for scripted television. I really wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if the reason we haven't seen an attempt at a new Star Trek series is that CBS has run the numbers and found that it wouldn't be successful in today's market.
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Nov 5, 2013 17:08
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jng2058 posted:I think the deal is that most starships have a single environmental setting, so you end up with a crew that likes that setting. So a Vulcan only ship makes sense since you can have your gravity and temperature settings at Vulcan standard instead of Earth standard. It's why most of the Enterprises have 90%+ Human crew (besides the obvious "that way we can save on makeup and prosthetics costs") because it's damned uncomfortable for non-Humans to live there for years on end. Notice, for example, that both the NCC-1701 and the NCC-1701-D had exclusively humans or half-humans and Worf (who was raised on Earth) on the bridge crew. And from what little we saw of NCC-1701-B and NCC-1701-C there were no non-humans at all. My guess was going to be that there's a shipyard and an academy at Vulcan who tend to fill up their ships with a lot of Vulcans, as compared to the one at Earth, but I guess the only HQ is in San Fransisco.
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Nov 5, 2013 17:28
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Gonz posted:He'd have to wait for Geordi to finish his level 1 diagnostic on that plasma conduit, though. For 30 hours?!? It'd never take Cardassian crews more than 4. 
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Nov 5, 2013 17:37
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DrSunshine posted:One of the things I liked about DS9 is that they actually made references to this, with the Cardassians complaining about how cold it is on Federation ships and stations, and the reverse for non-Cardassian races on Cardassian ships. Then you got the Breen. I hear it's awfully cold on the Breen home world..
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Nov 5, 2013 17:39
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:If the computer can manipulate the players to make sure they don't hurt each other (why is this a bad thing????) why would you need to wear body armor? Because it looks loving awesome?  Also, sports need to have some level of danger or it's not fun for the players. 
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Nov 5, 2013 17:52
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I remember the holodeck chapter in the tech manual saying literally that, and basically says the computer just keeps you from suffering serious injuries rather than scrapes, bruises etc. Supported in canon when Beverly rays up Riker's face scratch and assumes he was playing parrises squares 
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Nov 5, 2013 18:23
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Just finished Year of Hell.  Thank you Trent for voyager.gif While the concepts of the 2-parter were what Voyager should be, they didn't even bother to make continuity make sense. Kes came back in time, with spotty memories of the Year of Hell, and made a report. Any mention of Kes' report on future threats? Nope. Not a one. Voyager: Continuity is for Chumps.
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Nov 5, 2013 18:32
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Also, sports need to have some level of danger or it's not fun for the players.  That's pretty dumb, even by Trek thread standards
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Nov 5, 2013 18:34
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DrSunshine posted:One of the things I liked about DS9 is that they actually made references to this, with the Cardassians complaining about how cold it is on Federation ships and stations, and the reverse for non-Cardassian races on Cardassian ships. These are my own opinion mostly, but this is how I imagine the atmospheres of various ships: Federation: Cool and breezy, dry, smells like adhesive fumes. Klingon: Warm but not hot, stuffy, smells like metal and jockstrap. Vulcan: Hot and dry, smells like dust. Ferengi: Warm and damp, almost swampy, smells like mildew. Romulan: loving freezing, obnoxious blasting vents, smells like ozone. Cardassian: Warm with moist air, like a lizard terrarium, smells like a lizard terrarium. Andorian: Ice cold, eerily still air, smells like ice and pine. Tellarite: Lukewarm, humid, smells like unwashed armpit.
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Adam Bowen posted:That's pretty dumb, even by Trek thread standards Nah, man. The possibility of getting hurt is a definite part of athletics. It's a risk you balance everytime you step on the court, the pitch, the field, whatever. If sports became utterly safe, with no chance of being injured, they would lose that certain element which makes them fun, not just to play, but to watch. Can you imagine how pathetic a boxing match would be if the guys couldn't get hurt? World Cup soccer wouldn't be the same without players hurling themselves at the ground and clutching their knees because someone came within five feet of them. Making sports non-lethal is cool, but removing all danger? No way.
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kelvron posted:While the concepts of the 2-parter were what Voyager should be, they didn't even bother to make continuity make sense. Kes came back in time, with spotty memories of the Year of Hell, and made a report. Any mention of Kes' report on future threats? Nope. Not a one. This frustrated the poo poo out of me. Kes finished out that episode all "DONT gently caress WITH THE KRENIM! THEY WRECK poo poo AND PEOPLE DIE AND THEY HAVE COOL rear end TEMPORAL TORPEDOS!" and Janeway just nods. Then comes the actual Year of Hell episodes and it's all "The... the Krenim? Hrm... lets go tromp through their flowerbed." *explosion with half the ship hosed* "Wha? It's... it's almost like they're firing TEMPORAL TORPEDOES!!!" and then I smacked my forehead. Commissar Ken fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Nov 5, 2013 |
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Nah, man. The possibility of getting hurt is a definite part of athletics. It's a risk you balance everytime you step on the court, the pitch, the field, whatever. If sports became utterly safe, with no chance of being injured, they would lose that certain element which makes them fun, not just to play, but to watch. Can you imagine how pathetic a boxing match would be if the guys couldn't get hurt? World Cup soccer wouldn't be the same without players hurling themselves at the ground and clutching their knees because someone came within five feet of them. Or rugby where it is mandatory for players to wear hard protective gear like shoulder pads and helmets, rather than just a mouthguard.
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Nov 5, 2013 18:58
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Can you imagine how pathetic a boxing match would be if the guys couldn't get hurt? Yeah it's called Olympic Boxing and it's the worst thing ever.
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Nov 5, 2013 19:10
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Vagabundo posted:Or rugby where it is mandatory for players to wear hard protective gear like shoulder pads and helmets, rather than just a mouthguard. People, idiots really, that say this sort of thing don't understand the mechanics of football at all.
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Nov 5, 2013 19:13
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Nah, man. The possibility of getting hurt is a definite part of athletics. It's a risk you balance everytime you step on the court, the pitch, the field, whatever. If sports became utterly safe, with no chance of being injured, they would lose that certain element which makes them fun, not just to play, but to watch. Can you imagine how pathetic a boxing match would be if the guys couldn't get hurt? World Cup soccer wouldn't be the same without players hurling themselves at the ground and clutching their knees because someone came within five feet of them. I've played plenty of sports and I had a lot of fun doing so, absolutely none of which was based on the fact that I could get injured. I tackled someone once in a friendly football game and really jacked up his knee, which was the exact opposite of fun. To me the fun is in the thrill of competition, and that at any moment someone might do something awesome like grab an interception and run it in for a touchdown, or hit a homerun, or whatever soccer players do when they aren't running back and forth on a grassy field for 45 minute stretches. I agree that a lot of the fun of watching certain sports comes from seeing someone get injured, but I think you might be kind of a psychopath if you can only enjoy a Football game with the knowledge that someone might sustain a career-ending injury.
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And yet those people exist and there are a lot of them. Why can't they eliminate fighting in the NHL? Those people. I lived in Dallas for a few years and there was a sports bar I went to where there were chants of "Body count! Body count!" every time an opposing player was injured. Not to mention sports like boxing and Ultimate Fighting where there is literally no other point than injuring people. We're really not that far removed from the Coliseum in Rome when you really parse it down.
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Nov 5, 2013 19:34
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jng2058 posted:Not to mention sports like boxing and Ultimate Fighting Ultimate Fighting is not a sport. Mixed Martial Arts is.
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And yet the pro sport responsible for the most injuries (American Football) has begun a comprehensive program to address this, including an educational program for youth coaches so that in 10-15 years the game will be played very differently in regards to blocks and tackles. I don't know about hockey fans, but virtually no one who watches the NFL enjoys seeing someone get hurt. I enjoy a good hit as much as the next guy, but football is about skill, finesse, and tactics - and guys running to each other. A lot. It might just be that hockey fans are poo poo. 
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1st AD posted:Ultimate Fighting is not a sport. Mixed Martial Arts is. You know what I meant and so did everyone else. Just because this thread is about pedantic people like Vulcans doesn't mean we have to act like them ourselves. Choose McCoy and choose an emotional and fulfilling life over sterile logic and pedantry! You can do it! We're all rooting for you!* * = For variable levels of rooting that may or may not include actual rooting.
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Otisburg posted:Man, if Gul Dukat went up against Picard, Dukat would have ended up wearing Picard's flensed-off face for laughs, wouldn't he? Dukat was too hardcore to be a TNG villain to be dealt with by treknobabble and Picards speeches about the superiority of Space Socialism. He did.  Not sure he'd look even more dastardly if he kept the facial hair (it's like a partial Fu Manchu. I'll just call it the Macet).
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I remember when I was a kid seeing tv commercials for NASCAR, it was stupid booming announcer voice guy saying poo poo over 30 seconds of constant car wrecks. I'm sure those commercials got it wrong though, and fans just really enjoy the tight maneuvering and left turns, not the horrendous wrecks.
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Sash! posted:People, idiots really, that say this sort of thing don't understand the mechanics of football at all. It just means your foosball players are just a bunch of softcocks. jng2058 posted:And yet those people exist and there are a lot of them. Why can't they eliminate fighting in the NHL? Those people. I lived in Dallas for a few years and there was a sports bar I went to where there were chants of "Body count! Body count!" every time an opposing player was injured. Not to mention sports like boxing and Ultimate Fighting where there is literally no other point than injuring people. What a bunch of barbarians. Rugby fans appreciate a good hit, but those who intentionally injure others are largely looked down upon and there are certain rules of engagement that are non-negotiable. Players that have to leave the pitch due to injury are also applauded for their participation and players that come back from a long-term injury or illness are applauded for even making it on to the pitch (a la Julian Huxley, who returned to rugby with the Brumbies after a 2-year lay-off to recover from a brain tumour. The crowd at Canberra Stadium gave him a standing ovation). Now cricket is the ultimate gentleman's sport, where there is virtually no physical contact between opposing players other than the odd accidental collision that happens once in a while, and it's only the players' pride that gets damaged after some devastating wordplay. Like when Glenn McGrath of Australia asked Zimbabwe's Eddo Brandes why he was so fat, and Brandes replying with "because every time I gently caress your wife, she gives me a biscuit." Also, if hew-mon sports get exported to other species, the Vulcans will really take to cricket, the Klingons will love rugby union and the Nausicans will probably enjoy rugby league.
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counterfeitsaint posted:I remember when I was a kid seeing tv commercials for NASCAR, it was stupid booming announcer voice guy saying poo poo over 30 seconds of constant car wrecks. I'm sure those commercials got it wrong though, and fans just really enjoy the tight maneuvering and left turns, not the horrendous wrecks. Actually, the biggest draw to NASCAR is a combination of "America, gently caress Yeah!" and hero worship. It's a sport where every team is pretty much just its star player, and every fan has a driver they love and root for - and a driver they hate. NASCAR drivers are literally worshipped; other fans own jerseys, NASCAR fans get tattoos. Races are also more of an event; because they go on for hours, the fans camp out for days and tour the pits. There's a huge community around NASCAR that isn't present in most American sports. Of course there's the human element of watching a (literal) car crash, but there is a lot more to it than just that. Also, NASCAR is boring as gently caress.
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The true beauty of the NFL lies in watching millionairs injure each other for the amusement of the masses.
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Vagabundo posted:Also, if hew-mon sports get exported to other species, the Vulcans will really take to cricket, the Klingons will love rugby union and the Nausicans will probably enjoy rugby league. Everyone knows that the Nausicans favorite hew-mon sport is darts.
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counterfeitsaint posted:Everyone knows that the Nausicans favorite hew-mon sport is darts. Yo I hear they're sore losers though.
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Random fun Star Trek trivia: Rachel Robinson, who plays Melanie in The Visitor, is Andrew Robinson's daughter. Edit: gently caress, Andrew Robinson is 71  
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Gau posted:Also, NASCAR is boring as gently caress. Speaking of boring as poo poo sports, I'm quite sure that motor sports in general will be replaced by small vessels like runabouts going around in circles. Also, yacht races like the America's Cup regatta will be contested with starships. counterfeitsaint posted:Everyone knows that the Nausicans favorite hew-mon sport is darts. I suspect they'll be attracted to the biffo and emphasis on big hits that's the drawcard of top level league fixtures like the State of Origin series.
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Gau posted:Actually, the biggest draw to NASCAR is a combination of "America, gently caress Yeah!" and hero worship. It's a sport where every team is pretty much just its star player, and every fan has a driver they love and root for - and a driver they hate. NASCAR drivers are literally worshipped; other fans own jerseys, NASCAR fans get tattoos. Races are also more of an event; because they go on for hours, the fans camp out for days and tour the pits. There's a huge community around NASCAR that isn't present in most American sports. NASCAR also has no minorities whatsoever and watching cars go in a circle can be enjoyed even by someone who, due to centuries of inbreeding, has the mental capacity of a 6 year old. Both of these facts may explain its popularity among certain American demographics.
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Otisburg posted:Yo I hear they're sore losers though. Not their darts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIFb6S32X5Y Brute Squad fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Nov 5, 2013 |
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Oh my loving god, can we please stop talking about sports in the Star Trek thread? I don't understand half of this poo poo.
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Basically, soccer is the TNG of modern sports: the most popular, with fervent fans, but completely incomprehensible as a "good, exciting sport" to people who didn't love it as a child.
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And rugby union is the DS9 of modern sports: an acquired taste with a smaller but dedicated following, but criminally overlooked in favour of lesser, more dumbed down sports.
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TAS is Calvinball
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Does this mean the new movies are Arena Football?
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Gau posted:Does this mean the new movies are Arena Football? XFL
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What's Enterprise then, lacrosse?
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Nessus posted:What's Enterprise then, lacrosse? Arena Football. Pretty much everybody hates it, but its few dedicated fans will constantly try to convince you that it's actually not that awful. poo poo, now I'm doing it.
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