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Sagebrush posted:You live in the Bay area. You've never met dudes like in that video? I see a couple dozen a day. I think he meant that they are just paid actors imitating a person like you're describing, for this commercial. Also, still laughing at "it's basically free"
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chia posted:BMW's new naked S1000R 2014: If BMW has a nice wind shield that fits over the tach and give decent protection, this will be the best motorcycle. I have been pretty set on getting a 848 Streetfighter for a while but this is the only bike that could change my mind. BMW fueling and build quality is miles ahead of most manufacturers. goddamnedtwisto posted:lol so they looked at the Tuono V4 and said "Yes, let's make that but even uglier and hamstring the power!" chia posted:Pretty much. And that torque curve makes me sad (compared to the new superduke...). Wut? 83ft/lb of torks from i4, this bike is face melting fast, yall are nuts.
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HNasty posted:If BMW has a nice wind shield that fits over the tach and give decent protection, this will be the best motorcycle. I have been pretty set on getting a 848 Streetfighter for a while but this is the only bike that could change my mind. BMW fueling and build quality is miles ahead of most manufacturers. So yeah, uglier, less powerful and less torquey than a Tuono V4R, fairly sure that's what I said.
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Snowdens Secret posted:Also this thing is probably a riot to ride but man is it not fun to look at I actually like that headlamp fairing, but then again I'm only 20 and therefore have no taste.  It makes the whole thing look like a very large, very angry ant.
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chia posted:BMW's new naked S1000R 2014: I wonder if this will mean the end of that 1300 cc naked they've got?
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goddamnedtwisto posted:So yeah, uglier, less powerful and less torquey than a Tuono V4R, fairly sure that's what I said. What's loving hilarious is when anyone claims they've "tuned the engine for torque" and it ends up with less horsepower *and* the same (or worse) torque. FZ1, GSR600, Z750. And now, BMW joins this charade as well. Nidhg00670000 fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Nov 5, 2013 |
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Nidhg00670000 posted:What's loving hilarious is when anyone claims they've "tuned the engine for torque" and it ends up with less horsepower *and* the same (or worse) torque. FZ1, GSR600, Z750. And now, BMW joins this charade as well. Well normally when they say that they mean they've flattened the torque curve out (which is presumably what made chia sad, because that's not a flat torque curve)
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Nidhg00670000 posted:What's loving hilarious is when anyone claims they've "tuned the engine for torque" and it ends up with less horsepower *and* the same (or worse) torque. FZ1, GSR600, Z750. And now, BMW joins this charade as well. This new bike makes 7 ft-lb more torque than the RR, though.
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High Protein posted:I wonder if this will mean the end of that 1300 cc naked they've got? I doubt that, they didn't kill the K1300S to make way for the regular S1000.
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Sagebrush posted:This new bike makes 7 ft-lb more torque than the RR, though. visordown.com posted:The redline is now set 2,000rpm lower than the S1000RR and it produces its maximum power at 11,000rpm and maximum torque of 83lbft at 9,250rpm. The super naked makes 7lbft more torque than the superbike. http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com posted:Yeah, I don't know. The same torque 500 rpm lower, and from the dyno chart visordown posted the torque curve doesn't look like it'll contain any surprises. DON'T GET ME WRONG HERE, the bike'll be a monster. But it's still horseshit when they "tune for torque". Just come out and admit it's a  detuned supersport engine, BMW.
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KTM made BMW look like a bunch of pussies
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Spiffness posted:KTM made BMW look like a bunch of pussies KTM makes everyone look like a bunch of giant pussies.
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Shimrod posted:That's horrendous. That would actually turn me off buying one of them over other options in that class of bike. The thing is, you really don't give two shits what the engine is doing on a Z below 4k RPM as long as it's running. So you putter around using the lower, low-contrast LCD when you're in traffic and what not. Then when you give it the beans, it switches to the top LED tach and you get a nice bright and colorful sweep in your peripheral vision. It could actually be really functional as a giant shift light which is what you need a tach on a bike like that for anyway. Kawi dashes sometimes look spacemodern goofy as gently caress but they tend to actually end up pretty functional. They do make mistakes; the first-gen Z with the all-LCD tach was considered one, although I never minded it on mine. That's why I said I was mixed on it.
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I'm with Voltage as far as the tachometer goes. It is petty as hell, I know, but I have to have an analog tachometer. The whole gauge cluster could be LCD for all I care, yet it if doesn't have a tachometer needle I'll hate it.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:So yeah, uglier, less powerful and less torquey than a Tuono V4R, fairly sure that's what I said. The Tuono makes about he same torque if not a little less, prob has a flatter torque curve, either way I'd put my money on BMW being a much better bike in the real world. The S1000RR is stupendous and this naked should be p rad too. also if that dyno chart is real, the naked S1KRR is making about 7 more torks at the wheel according to google also god I want to know what the wet weight is on this thing, if it's not a pig it will be a great bike https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUbdcCxeCR8&t=28s HNasty fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Nov 5, 2013 |
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'Tuning for torque' also usually translates to shortening the lower gears so you're not redlining in first at 90. Thus, wheelies. I'm not a Beemer man but HNasty's probably right, that thing's going to be a riot.
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Deeters posted:I think that up until this year, the only Harleys with a dedicated oil cooler were the top end touring models. The XRs have (had) the oil cooled heads as well.
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Terminus Est posted:KTM makes everyone look For better or worse, yes.
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It'd be cool if the S1000R is like the Street Triple in that you can drop 675 cams right in, tune it, and you've got the same power for cheap. Only other diff is that the pistons are cast vs forged but they are good enough to hold stock 675 power.
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Nidhg00670000 posted:Yeah, I don't know. The same torque 500 rpm lower, and from the dyno chart visordown posted the torque curve doesn't look like it'll contain any surprises. DON'T GET ME WRONG HERE, the bike'll be a monster. But it's still horseshit when they "tune for torque". Yeah no, this is dumb. Having an actual superbike engine in a naked seems like an awesome idea on paper, but having superbike gearing on a naked is dumb and pointless. You can't realistically do 300km/h on a naked with flat bars and an upright riding position. So if you have short gearing and a peaky engine that revs to the moon, you get a not-very-fun bike. If you have an engine with a bulbous torque curve and short gearing, you get mad wheelies and low-speed acceleration. Snowdens Secret posted:'Tuning for torque' also usually translates to shortening the lower gears so you're not redlining in first at 90. Thus, wheelies. I'm not a Beemer man but HNasty's probably right, that thing's going to be a riot. Beaten.
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Spiffness posted:KTM made BMW look like a bunch of pussies Well, that's okay, because BMW made KTM look like a bunch of pussies when KTM thought that Famous Actor Ewan McGregor and his multi-million dollar rally support team somehow would not complete the trip around the world they were doing for a television show.
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Slavvy posted:Yeah no, this is dumb. Having an actual superbike engine in a naked seems like an awesome idea on paper, but having superbike gearing on a naked is dumb and pointless. You can't realistically do 300km/h on a naked with flat bars and an upright riding position. So if you have short gearing and a peaky engine that revs to the moon, you get a not-very-fun bike. If you have an engine with a bulbous torque curve and short gearing, you get mad wheelies and low-speed acceleration. Luckily I'm not talking about putting the same engine in a naked and a superbike. I'm talking about how "tuned for torque" is retarded most of the time since it ends up worse in every metric. A direct comparison between the FZ1 and the same year R1 shows that the R1 has more torque across the whole register. How is that "tuned for more torque"? It's not, and that's my point. Every manufacturer is afraid that people will think less of their new, shiny naked bike if they just come out and say "oh yeah, we took the superbike engine and made it a little tamer", so they say they "tuned for better midrange torque" or "better rideability" when it demonstrably doesn't have more torque! Besides, the B-King is the bike that proves your sentence wrong (almost).  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8kkokWTMHY&t=54s
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"Tuned for better rideability" doesn't imply that it has more torque. If they brought down the overall power output and flattened out the torque, manufacturers could probably also truthfully say "tuned for smoothness and reliability".
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Sagebrush posted:Well, that's okay, because BMW made KTM look like a bunch of pussies when KTM thought that Famous Actor Ewan McGregor and his multi-million dollar rally support team somehow would not complete the trip around the world they were doing for a television show. Some senior KTM guy called that the companies biggest mistake n recent history. Still, just about anything would have snapped in half on that trip with 900 lbs of poo poo on the back of each bike.
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Nidhg00670000 posted:Luckily I'm not talking about putting the same engine in a naked and a superbike. I'm talking about how "tuned for torque" is retarded most of the time since it ends up worse in every metric. A direct comparison between the FZ1 and the same year R1 shows that the R1 has more torque across the whole register. How is that "tuned for more torque"? It's not, and that's my point. Every manufacturer is afraid that people will think less of their new, shiny naked bike if they just come out and say "oh yeah, we took the superbike engine and made it a little tamer", so they say they "tuned for better midrange torque" or "better rideability" when it demonstrably doesn't have more torque! I think if you compared dyno charts the naked version would have more midrange torque...? By mid-range we're meaning sub-8000rpm which seems reasonable. You're comparing PEAK torque, which is different.
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HNasty posted:The Tuono makes about he same torque if not a little less, prob has a flatter torque curve, either way I'd put my money on BMW being a much better bike in the real world. The S1000RR is stupendous and this naked should be p rad too. I know what you are saying is absolutely correct. Owning a Tuono is a love hate relationship and every BMW I've ridden has been pleasant but god drat the look of that bike. That headlight/gauge cluster is fuckin gross.
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tjones posted:I'm with Voltage as far as the tachometer goes. It is petty as hell, I know, but I have to have an analog tachometer. The whole gauge cluster could be LCD for all I care, yet it if doesn't have a tachometer needle I'll hate it. I honestly have no idea why anybody cares what the dash on i motorcycle looks like. How much time do you actually spend looking at it? What kind of information do you really need from it while riding? Maybe speed? poo poo, my bike doesn't even have a tach. As long as I can see if I left my turn signals on with a quick glance I'm happy.
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Spiffness posted:Some senior KTM guy called that the companies biggest mistake n recent history. No kidding. When I go out on the nice motorcycle roads I'll see at least half a dozen R1150/1200GS's in a single afternoon, while I see maybe two KTMs of any type per month.
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Snowdens Secret posted:I'm not seeing any point in buying an Iron 883 any more. They might produce both for awhile and see if the 883 sales continue to deem it worthy. I doubt the 1200 will be going anywhere, but it's entirely possible the 883 'beginner bike' will be consumed by the 500/750 line. In other cruiser news, Honda dropped the ST's engine into a cruiser frame and I'm kind of getting excited about it. http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/11/04/2014-honda-ctx1300-and-ctx1300-deluxe-first-look-review-specs-photos/    Real suspension, fuel injection, V4 powered, and 1300cc's making it not quite a behemoth. At 700lbs they somehow managed to make it heavier than my steel loaded 80's V-Max and the full faired, 7 gallon holding ST1300 it's derived from. Where did all that weight come from? I don't like the fairing, but if they left the horsepower alone from it's ST build, and it can be made to look like the 700 variety... I'll likely be owning a new bike soon. This style with power would be really tempting. That assumes Yamaha doesn't drop their new triple into something equally appealing over the next couple of years. 
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Official Pictures of the Z1000 confirm that it is both an ugly fucker and also the angriest ant.    I actually want it but I'll probably never end up with one.  e:  
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Sharkopath posted:Official Pictures of the Z1000 confirm that it is both an ugly fucker and also the angriest ant. What is with bikes in the past few years and the headlight/gauge area looking like some sort of anime mecha head? To me it looks off balance and almost like a full fairing bike that is halfway disassembled.
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That would look about a million times...more (I can't say better) if it still had the animu plastic wing-shaped coverings over the forks like the previous gen did.
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Heard this on NPR earlier, neat story about a long lost stolen bike being returned. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-old-motorcycle-found-20131104,0,2751445.story 
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Did they deliberately try to make it look as spaceship-y as possible?
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Halo_4am posted:In other cruiser news, Honda dropped the ST's engine into a cruiser frame and I'm kind of getting excited about it.  As an ex Honda ST guy, I can safely say the V4 is a nice engine sure but I don't see all that much redeeming about it compared to a "normal" cruiser... other than far uglier. To each their own though I guess.
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2014 Honda CB650F and CBR650F -Motorcyclenews.com Honda CBR650F   Honda CB650F    Not coming stateside though, at least for now. Are there a lot of Inline 4 6-700cc bikes? Seems like a triple is the way to go.
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Sharkopath posted:
I'm sure you'll be able to buy a 2014 towards the end of 2015 for about 7.5 grand. I think dealers already have trouble selling them, and that new headlight is going to be incredibly polarizing with consumers. I was really hoping for something better than a cosmetic refresh on the z1000. There were rumors kawasaki would try to step up to tuono and s1000r performance levels with that bike. Guess they are just going to keep trying to work the lower price point. I'm a big fan of the current z1000, but I have no interest in this new one. I usually like ugly naked bikes (currently ride a b-king).
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