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I'd come to that realization a long time ago, but I've also come to the realization that I was a bigger rear end than I should have been to recruiters, because I don't get the same amount of calls I used to. It's just frustrating, man. I took off work early for a phone interview once and never even got called. The recruiter called back the next day to reschedule, and when I couldn't make the appointment, I got the same treatment. At least that time, the recruiter's manager called back with a sincere apology. I used to go to a .NET user group in Nashville. It was sponsored by Microsoft, I think, they always had free food and gave away free products. I got a free copy of Vista that way, actually. But iirc they stopped having them. There weren't really any people my age there but the friends I was with, so I didn't really meet too many people, but it might not be a bad idea to just go and ask about jobs. I don't suppose there are any websites that help find this kind of thing? Something more focused than Google, that is.
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Uziel posted:http://www.meetup.com has some decent results for my area, I don't know about Nashville Speaking of which, they're hiring in New York and I'll be looking for a new job in a few months!
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Does anyone have a good idea about the average salary for iOS developers in San Francisco? I've heard mixed numbers, anywhere from 80-125k. I'm hoping people here have some anecdotal evidence as I'm trying to decide on a job.
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unpurposed posted:Does anyone have a good idea about the average salary for iOS developers in San Francisco? I've heard mixed numbers, anywhere from 80-125k. I'm hoping people here have some anecdotal evidence as I'm trying to decide on a job. My friend working at Apple on AppleTV (it's iOS based) is paid 120k. He's been at Apple for 4 years and change + two summer internships.
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unpurposed posted:Does anyone have a good idea about the average salary for iOS developers in San Francisco? I've heard mixed numbers, anywhere from 80-125k. I'm hoping people here have some anecdotal evidence as I'm trying to decide on a job. $80k is the bare minimum for what I've seen in NYC. Most are around $100k, even "Junior" level iOS/Android developers. The only CS area I've seen with comparable starting/higher starting salaries is algo trading jobs. While NYC is obviously different in terms of demand and salary I'd expect SF to be higher.
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unpurposed posted:I've heard mixed numbers, anywhere from 80-125k. Sounds about right for entry-experienced?
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Apple's salary range is known to be lower than average across the larger companies in the Bay Area. $80-$125K sounds right, but it's all dependent on your work experience.
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Seeing this stuff is starting to worry me, to be honest. This can't possibly be sustainable, is it? We're not going to see a bubble popping?
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Brannock posted:Seeing this stuff is starting to worry me, to be honest. This can't possibly be sustainable, is it? We're not going to see a bubble popping? I don't think so. Companies are realizing that 1 good developer is worth many more lovely developers. The bar to get a job in the first place is getting higher, and salaries are raising to match that.
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Brannock posted:Seeing this stuff is starting to worry me, to be honest. This can't possibly be sustainable, is it? We're not going to see a bubble popping? Are "Job Bubbles" a thing? I am not an economist/whatever so I can't think of any examples of a real world "Job Bubble".
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Tres Burritos posted:Are "Job Bubbles" a thing? I am not an economist/whatever so I can't think of any examples of a real world "Job Bubble". Sort of. Look at pharma jobs nowish, or programmer jobs just after the late 90s tech bubble. Basically when a bunch of companies fold or lay people off en masse, it floods the market with people with impressive (looking) resumes and deflates salaries and makes it harder for people starting out in the field to get hired.
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Brannock posted:Seeing this stuff is starting to worry me, to be honest. This can't possibly be sustainable, is it? We're not going to see a bubble popping? Otto Skorzeny posted:Sort of. Look at pharma jobs nowish, or programmer jobs just after the late 90s tech bubble. Basically when a bunch of companies fold or lay people off en masse, it floods the market with people with impressive (looking) resumes and deflates salaries and makes it harder for people starting out in the field to get hired.
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Just had a 30 minute interview that I think went pretty bad. The technical questions asked were: 1. What do you think the steps are in a compiler? Knew how it worked beforehand. 2. Give some examples about how a compiler might optimize code. Knew how it worked beforehand. 3. How do you think valgrind works? What are some negative aspects of this Never used valgrind before. Said it had to keep track of mallocs, didn't know how. They told me that it does this by using valgrinds custom implementation of malloc. 4. In what cases could Java be faster than C? Give an example Never used Java before. They had to give me some hints but I eventually got the answer: C can only do optimizations at compile time. Java can do optimizations at runtime. For example if we had user input determine the value of a variable, C couldn't optimize based on that value. (I used random() instead of user input) 5. What does ((n & (n-1)) == 0) do? Said it evaluates to true or zero if its an even number, ran out of time so he had to tell me that it was actually if it was a power of 2 or zero. Bleh, atleast it's good preparation for upcoming interviews. How do you guys handle interview questions where you draw a blank? Rello fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Nov 6, 2013 |
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Cicero posted:I don't think these kinds of salary are sustainable in the long run, but I also don't think we're going to see a severe decline anytime soon. My prediction is that eventually supply will catch up with demand and the average salaries will drop to more normal levels that you might see for, say, an accountant. So they'll still be good, just not obscenely so. I mostly agree with you, I was just throwing examples out there without being specific about magnitude. Incidentally, engineering salaries have been flat and haven't kept up with either GDP or productivity growth for about 40 years now, so I don't think these salary levels are unsustainable (unless the ninety years of salary growth seen from 1880 to 1970 don't count as 'sustainable') but I think lobbying and astroturfing, collusion and some market forces will cause them to level off regardless.
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I really still hold out some hope that unionization or just leverage through professional organizations might actually happen again instead of everything going to hell and the USA ending up even shittier for the people who actually do the work. If only for ergonomics, productivity and professional guidelines and standards this would be a great idea and a win for everyone, but meh FYGM.
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I can't imagine any unionization specific to programmers ever happening, there's too much competition within the industry. Top level engineers already get to negotiate salary and benefits. I could see something more broad, like maybe an IT megaunion, but I'm not sure the programmers would want to take part. I think unions will probably see a resurgence in popularity sometime over the next 20 years, though. A large portion of people have been convinced that unions are out to bleed workers dry, but eventually classic cynicism will kick in and they'll go back to seeing corporations as evil overlords. There's a broadway musical out now about unionization, called Newsies. The soundtrack raises my spirits.
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I don't mean to whine but is anyone else having trouble getting in anywhere? Applying cold to listings isn't working for me at all. I've been doing C# for just over 2 years so I have a little experience at least, and I'm still working. I'm trying to network more and it's kind of helping but it's pretty limiting. Does applying to random places where you don't have connections only work if you have a lot of experience?
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HondaCivet posted:I don't mean to whine but is anyone else having trouble getting in anywhere? Applying cold to listings isn't working for me at all. I've been doing C# for just over 2 years so I have a little experience at least, and I'm still working. I'm trying to network more and it's kind of helping but it's pretty limiting. Does applying to random places where you don't have connections only work if you have a lot of experience? Or if they are desperate, I had some good luck at http://careers.stackoverflow.com/
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Rello posted:Just had a 30 minute interview that I think went pretty bad. Other than #5 in your examples, though they're kind of "you have to know the tool/stack" to really answer the questions and there's not a TON of reasoning to be done about how to approach finding an answer.
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No Safe Word posted:Other than #5 in your examples, though they're kind of "you have to know the tool/stack" to really answer the questions and there's not a TON of reasoning to be done about how to approach finding an answer. They were actually hoping to ask me questions about tools I haven't used and see me reason for the answer. When I told them I haven't used Valgrind/Java their reaction was "Great!", but when I got stuck at figuring out how Valgrind might keep track of mallocs they seemed a bit disappointed.
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HondaCivet posted:I don't mean to whine but is anyone else having trouble getting in anywhere? Applying cold to listings isn't working for me at all. I've been doing C# for just over 2 years so I have a little experience at least, and I'm still working. I'm trying to network more and it's kind of helping but it's pretty limiting. Does applying to random places where you don't have connections only work if you have a lot of experience? It might be that your resume sucks, given that it's the common denominator between your applications and the lack of responses. Feel free to post it here and/or in the Resume thread in BFC.
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Sarcophallus posted:It might be that your resume sucks, given that it's the common denominator between your applications and the lack of responses. Feel free to post it here and/or in the Resume thread in BFC. I've gotten good feedback on it but I will try to remember to post it tonight or something.
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HondaCivet posted:I don't mean to whine but is anyone else having trouble getting in anywhere? Applying cold to listings isn't working for me at all. I've been doing C# for just over 2 years so I have a little experience at least, and I'm still working. I'm trying to network more and it's kind of helping but it's pretty limiting. Does applying to random places where you don't have connections only work if you have a lot of experience? The standard advice continues to apply. Put code on Github, contribute on Stack Overflow. Give potential employers some idea that you know what you're talking about.
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HondaCivet posted:I don't mean to whine but is anyone else having trouble getting in anywhere? Applying cold to listings isn't working for me at all. I've been doing C# for just over 2 years so I have a little experience at least, and I'm still working. I'm trying to network more and it's kind of helping but it's pretty limiting. Does applying to random places where you don't have connections only work if you have a lot of experience? Talk to recruiters. The human factor matters. The key thing is to land, and ace, interviews. If your resume (i.e. a 1-page advertising circular) isn't landing you the meetings you need, it's time to step it up and use more expensive, higher-hassle methods of advertising. That is to say, if your resume doesn't get you interviews, you need to be open to burning time and effort on conversations with recruiters.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:Talk to recruiters. Do recruiters even deal with people with as little experience as me? I had one literally tell me that he couldn't help me unless I stayed at my job for a few more years. I'm guessing resumes don't work unless you've worked somewhere cool? I've only worked at a power company.
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HondaCivet posted:I don't mean to whine but is anyone else having trouble getting in anywhere? Applying cold to listings isn't working for me at all. I've been doing C# for just over 2 years so I have a little experience at least, and I'm still working. I'm trying to network more and it's kind of helping but it's pretty limiting. Does applying to random places where you don't have connections only work if you have a lot of experience? I have no experience or connections, and I've landed 23 technical phone screens/interviews/take-homes in the past 2 months since I began applying to development jobs, and that's mostly in a medium-sized US city with a not-that-hot tech community. I have a few projects on GitHub and links on my resume/cover letter to the hosted projects. After the interview is when they refuse to hire me.
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HondaCivet posted:Do recruiters even deal with people with as little experience as me? I had one literally tell me that he couldn't help me unless I stayed at my job for a few more years. I need to stop reading GBS 2.1. edit: Are you only applying to places in your local area? I know the big names at least are in a bidding war for talent. I think they're generally willing to phone interview anyone who sounds halfway competent.
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Recruiters will literally put you on their shitlist if you try and talk to them and aren't at least a Level 6 Software Developer
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:Talk to recruiters. Recruiters got me hired and learning fast as poo poo at the job I'm at now in very short time with nothing but an internship and a really crappy job at the time. Watch out if you use multiple recruiters though - you might get double submitted, which is kind of bad. I had an agency do that to me without telling me, and I ended up looking like a moron because of it, so be ready to tell people to actually mind their p's and q's if you have to. Also, of course, watch out for being massively lowballed. If you're getting an offer they're not going to boot you if you dare negotiate, and if they did, you don't want to be there anyway.
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Getting your I-9 paperwork done as a remote hire can be a huge pain in the rear end due to conflicting state notary laws and such. Not incredibly relevant to programming, but I'm feeling very frustrated right now.
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bonds0097 posted:Getting your I-9 paperwork done as a remote hire can be a huge pain in the rear end due to conflicting state notary laws and such. Not incredibly relevant to programming, but I'm feeling very frustrated right now. What do you need notarized? I have worked remote for two different jobs and nobody has required anything notarized for the I-9 stuff. They just seemed perfectly happy accepting a scan or fax of my drivers license and passport for documentation. My current job is remote and they just wanted a scan of the documents and then used a third party service to have me fill out and sign the I-9 online.
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Strong Sauce posted:Recruiters will literally put you on their shitlist if you try and talk to them and aren't at least a Level 6 Software Developer Oh no, are there some repeatable quests I can do to level up faster?  Yeah I've only been applying locally. I guess I assumed that being local would increase my appeal but maybe it doesn't matter that much if I'm willing to move? I was starting to look around Seattle since it's pretty big and close but if my experience isn't compelling then I'm not sure how much that would help. I'll post up my resume tonight, maybe you guys can see the problem.
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kitten smoothie posted:What do you need notarized? I have worked remote for two different jobs and nobody has required anything notarized for the I-9 stuff. They just seemed perfectly happy accepting a scan or fax of my drivers license and passport for documentation. My current job is remote and they just wanted a scan of the documents and then used a third party service to have me fill out and sign the I-9 online. This is my third remote job and the first time I've had trouble. Basically they want a notary to sign the I-9 and then an additional form which basically self-certifies their signature (which a notary can't do).
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HondaCivet posted:Yeah I've only been applying locally. I guess I assumed that being local would increase my appeal but maybe it doesn't matter that much if I'm willing to move?
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Zero The Hero posted:Are there recruiters willing to work with out of state applicants with no work experience? Like, could I talk to a recruiter in Cali, and one in Seattle, and one in NYC for example? Location doesn't matter unless they explicitly say so. Just apply. If you're unsure of your abilities but really good at bullshitting your resume, you can still apply but you might get caught pretty easily during the interview process. double sulk fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Nov 7, 2013 |
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