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Perigryn posted:Kira's meticulous personality created Killer Queen because he'd want to be able to destroy all evidence of his crimes. That's out and out stated. Killer Queen manifested as it did due to Kira's inner drive to murder people with no consequences, thus bombs that can fully destroy all evidence. Bites the Dust is just another extension of that.
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Also, the method of obtaining the Stand may have something to do with it. Naturally sprouting a stand requires time to figure out how poo poo works, but getting arrowed speeds up the process.
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Saint Seafoam posted:I was always under the impression that by nature there was something about stands and their being a personification of some sort of psychological/spiritual energy that made understanding one's own stand ability, no matter how absurd, second nature to the user. After that just how well the user can manipulate/understand their stand's ability largely depends on how willing they are to experiment with it and/or accept it without worrying too much about what the gently caress it is or what it is that it's doing. Wait, does this mean that Koichi is a loud-mouthed rear end in a top hat in the making?
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Oct 31, 2013 15:20
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Your way works too posted:I was just rereading Stone Ocean and Hermes has no idea how Kiss works when she first gets it. This is in stark contrast with when Kira gets Bites The Dust and immediately knows all about how it works down to the smallest detail. I think the series is just mad inconsistent. Yeah but people have varying degrees of self-introspection. It just translates differently when your inner self can punch things in the face.
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Wark Say posted:Wait, does this mean that Koichi is a loud-mouthed rear end in a top hat in the making? Yep. Whenever Koichi gets ready to kick some rear end, he becomes a lot more determined and strong in his expression and demeanor. Echoes's with its smack talking is that aspect of himself gaining form.
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So, I guess this is a good enough place as any to bring it up, but has anyone else been keeping up with the Rohan spinoff? I just finished the first few chapters, and it seems interesting. Feel a lot like a "tales from the crypt" sort of thing, with each story only being connected by Rohan being the narrator. There isn't much fighting, it is mostly just Araki writing weird things he can't fit into a normal Jojo arc. Nothing so far has been as creepy as Jojolion has been lately, but it is pretty weird. I think I'll keep up with it from now on. Also, it gives hilarious look into Rohan's insane spending. Dude bought a mountain. Five of them. STANKBALLS TASTYLEGS fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Nov 6, 2013 |
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Fiend Computer posted:So, I guess this is a good enough place as any to bring it up, but has anyone else been keeping up with the Rohan spinoff? I just finished the first few chapters, and it seems interesting. Feel a lot like a "tales from the crypt" sort of thing, with each story only being connected by Rohan being the narrator. There isn't much fighting, it is mostly just Araki writing weird things he can't fit into a normal Jojo arc. Nothing so far has been as creepy as Jojolion has been lately, but it is pretty weird. I think I'll keep up with it from now on. I didn't know it existed until you brought it up, but looking at it now, it is pretty cool. Araki's pretty good at making a morbid short story, and it's pretty cool to seem him tackle something other than serialized fightin' manga.
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Its a good thing that Diamond Is Not Crash was brought up because I was just reading it and something bugged me. During the short span that Harvest debuted and then was summarily exploded, every time a few were killed, all users involved (Josuke/Okuyasu, and Kira) said "Killing three or four (harvest beings) doesn't seem to do anything to Shigechi". So then how come when Shigechi got his face blown in half, it only took one Harvest holding a (primed) coin to do that much damage? If there's no real explanation and its just inconsistency, then no worries. But I feel like I missed something.
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Maybe it was the core Harvest?
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Morter posted:Its a good thing that Diamond Is Not Crash was brought up because I was just reading it and something bugged me. The reason Shigechi's face get's disfigured is because he has his Harvest bring the primed coin close to his face right before Kira detonates it. If the Shigechi had been outside the blast radius he would have been unharmed.
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Morter posted:Its a good thing that Diamond Is Not Crash was brought up because I was just reading it and something bugged me. It's fine, you can say Diamond is Unbreakable now. Araki's officially redone that finally.
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Speaking of weird things, how on earth did that Alternate Diego in SBR have a stand, anyway? It didn't seem like other worlds had any stands.
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Probably the same reason Buff Valentine has D4C. In an infinite series of universes, there could be anything. Even a world where Dio isn't an rear end in a top hat, perhaps.
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Aurora posted:Speaking of weird things, how on earth did that Alternate Diego in SBR have a stand, anyway? It didn't seem like other worlds had any stands. Other worlds had stands, there was just only one Dirty Deeds Done 4 Cheap.
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Mr. Maltose posted:Even a world where Dio isn't an rear end in a top hat, perhaps. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, I don't think we can just play with the rules of nature like that. Grass grows, birds fly, and Dio lights dogs/cripples on fire.
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Nov 8, 2013 03:08
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Does the world with nice Dio have suited up Diavolo and his shadow is that fashion disaster?
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Mr. Maltose posted:Probably the same reason Buff Valentine has D4C. In an infinite series of universes, there could be anything. Even a world where Dio isn't an rear end in a top hat, perhaps. Buff Valentine's is actually explained. There's actually only one D4C even across every alternate world, but it can get passed off, making that Valentine the True one.
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Is it ever made clear if the memories get passed off too, or is he dying everytime like in The Prestige?
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RatHat posted:Is it ever made clear if the memories get passed off too, or is he dying everytime like in The Prestige? I don't think it's outright stated, but after D4C passed to a new Valentine, that Valentine instantly knew what had been happening in the 'original' universe. I think it's shown with the Valentine that came back after Dio and the previous Valentine were run over by the train, but it might have been shown when transferring to a later Valentine (the ones Gyro fought?).
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Morter posted:So then how come when Shigechi got his face blown in half, it only took one Harvest holding a (primed) coin to do that much damage? He could have tried having all his harvests cover the explosion with their bodies, but since that'd take like half his harvests he probably would have wound up in about the same situation.
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Schubalts posted:I don't think it's outright stated, but after D4C passed to a new Valentine, that Valentine instantly knew what had been happening in the 'original' universe. I think it's shown with the Valentine that came back after Dio and the previous Valentine were run over by the train, but it might have been shown when transferring to a later Valentine (the ones Gyro fought?). It's straight up stated that the memories are transferred as well.
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Endorph posted:It wasn't the killing the harvest that did it, it was the actual explosion. It was right next to him. Thought in that case the damage probably wouldn't have been situated specifically in his face. It would have been dispersed across his body probably making it more survivable.
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Mighty Dicktron posted:Buff Valentine's is actually explained. There's actually only one D4C even across every alternate world, but it can get passed off, making that Valentine the True one. I read one half of SBR a very long time ago...and finished it up recently. I don't remember when exactly the "buff" Valentine showed up. I thought it was a gradual thing rather than something instant. Can someone point around when non-fat Valentine(s) show up?
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Morter posted:I read one half of SBR a very long time ago...and finished it up recently. I don't remember when exactly the "buff" Valentine showed up. I thought it was a gradual thing rather than something instant. Can someone point around when non-fat Valentine(s) show up? No, it's a sudden shift. The last time you see fat Valentine is when he steals the corpse at the end of the Civil War fight, and the next time you see him (with Lucy, in the scene where she gets found out), he's buff.
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The real reason for the change, of course, is that Araki really likes drawing incredibly handsome men doing ridiculous poses and wearing ridiculous clothes, and Fatty Valentine only accomplished wearing ridiculous clothes of those three.
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Sir Ilpalazzo posted:No, it's a sudden shift. The last time you see fat Valentine is when he steals the corpse at the end of the Civil War fight, and the next time you see him (with Lucy, in the scene where she gets found out), he's buff. No, Valentine is definitely on the chubbier side in that scene with Lucy. He only turns into Buffentine after Lucy stabs him and he disappears. Probably switched with a buffer version of himself at that time.
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He seemed pretty buff when he was getting undressed in that scene, but yeah, the changeover is some point in Both Sides Now #2.
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I seem to recall that earlier you see Fat Valentine hanging out with a version of himself that has a mustache and one that's buff. I don't think Araki settled on how exactly D4C worked until late in the series.
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Valentine got super ripped at the same time the series switched to Ultra Jump. Plus the art style took a turn for the worse as well.
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I always thought that Valentine was fat because he had the corpse's parts inside him, once he released them he recovered his 'buffness' 
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Ryaomon posted:Valentine got super ripped at the same time the series switched to Ultra Jump. Plus the art style took a turn for the worse as well. The manga switched to Ultra Jump in 2004 around chapter 22, ripped Valentine doesn't even appear until chapter 50 or so which was released in 2007. Also the art is fantastic so I don't know what you're talking about. Dark_Tzitzimine posted:I always thought that Valentine was fat because he had the corpse's parts inside him, once he released them he recovered his 'buffness'
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Cerebral Bore posted:No, Valentine is definitely on the chubbier side in that scene with Lucy. He only turns into Buffentine after Lucy stabs him and he disappears. Probably switched with a buffer version of himself at that time. It's this. He swapped out with a buff version of himself.
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Ryaomon posted:Valentine got super ripped at the same time the series switched to Ultra Jump. Plus the art style took a turn for the worse as well. The only thing worse about it is the sameface in the spreads and promos. The actual manga art is fantastic.
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RatHat posted:Other worlds had stands, there was just only one Dirty Deeds Done 4 Cheap. It's "Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap". The four refers to the fact that there are 4 D words. D4C.
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Begemot posted:I seem to recall that earlier you see Fat Valentine hanging out with a version of himself that has a mustache and one that's buff. I don't think Araki settled on how exactly D4C worked until late in the series. You might just be thinking of his guards, but D4C does do some wacky stuff, so maybe. There's that whole part where Dio and Wekapipo think they shot Johnny because of dimensions overlapping or whatever. It settles down pretty quickly after that, though.
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HitTheTargets posted:You might just be thinking of his guards, but D4C does do some wacky stuff, so maybe. There's that whole part where Dio and Wekapipo think they shot Johnny because of dimensions overlapping or whatever. It settles down pretty quickly after that, though. That section confused me more than King Crimson ever did.
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Stairmaster posted:That section confused me more than King Crimson ever did.
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Just got up to part 4 a few days ago on my read-through. God, I love this comic so much.
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I just finished my reading of part 4 a little while ago. I enjoyed it, apparently there are better scans out there? The only ones I could find were Duwang, so I just read those. They seemed charming in their own way though, anyway. I find the idea of a little town where everyone speaks a little oddly endearing. Is there anything these scans got blatantly wrong, though? The dialogue didn't really seem that in depth, and there wasn't really much of a plot, so it didn't feel like I was missing out on a whole lot by reading them.
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