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Ras Het posted:Piedmont? The gently caress? Piedmont is just french for foothills.
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Zohar posted:Well there are academics in Russia now who view the US as inherently unstable,* plenty of people see China as inherently unstable, etc. The idea that Austria-Hungary was on the path to collapse certainly wasn't a mainstream view at the time (and "inherently unstable" can mean a lot of things so I don't know if that's what the source you're reading actually says or if it's an interpolation), and France and Austria-Hungary were in any case major rivals at the time. In 1904, for instance, Teddy Roosevelt said that Austria-Hungary's treatment of nationalities was a model the US ought to follow. Austria-Hungary and China/the United States aren't remotely comparable. As mentioned above, that US map is from a quack Russian conspiracy theorist. And any instability in the United States and China isn't likely to lead to a total national dissolution, unlike the instability in Austria-Hungary. Austria-Hungary, unlike the other states you listed, wasn't a nation. It was a royal dominion that was desperately holding onto power through any conceivable manner, in an age where nationalism reigned supreme. None of the nations under the crown's rule had any real ties to Austria proper, being forced under the crown's rule via ancient and irrelevant royal intrigues and battles with the Ottomans. Unlike the United States, there was no effort or desire to assimilate the nations under an Austrian culture. Unlike England, the other nations under the crown weren't colonies settled by recent English expats. Unlike Russia, the other nations weren't forced into submission by a superpower overwhelming their capacities for national survival. Not to mention that the desire to keep the empire together, towards the end, was similar to the efforts to keep the Ottomans intact: a desire to prevent a total breakdown of European order. It would have sparked a massive regional war, with Romania, Russia, Germany, Serbia, Italy, the Ottomans, etc all rushing to assert their claims, Czechs and Germans fighting a brutal war, Croats and Slovaks fighting Hungarians for independence, Hungarians fighting Romanians for eastern Transylvania, etc. So no, the idea that Austria-Hungary was inherently unstable is not a historical creation. The only way anything resembling the Empire lasts in the 20th century is if the nations went independent but retained their military and economic ties, which most states would have little incentive to do once free from the crown.
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I think the idea is that people are most identified with the ancient or middle kingdom that once ruled their region? That seems a little silly to me given the cleavages in some of the "historical zones" today. Here's another islam-the-map: 
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Nov 8, 2013 21:57
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"Piedmont"?
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Nov 8, 2013 22:32
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Peruser posted:Who are all the Shia inside Turkey? It's estimated that as much as a quarter of Turkey's population is Alevi.
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Nov 8, 2013 22:50
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:Just gonna call this one oversimplification.jaypeg. I guess the inset map is a proposal for how to carve everything up right. Why isn't Balochistan on there? Badger of Basra posted:"Piedmont"? Old James posted:
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:This Middle Eastern religious map kind of illustrates the folly of trying to make Islam-the-map. You get the modern details, but you're left wondering about how it got that way, and who those Ibadi folks are. What?
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dethslayer666 posted:I like how Canada annexes a region with twice its population. Also I'm pretty sure The Texas Republic would annex Mexico, not the other way around. Tennessee and the Carolinas also probably wouldn't join the EU.
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Boiled Water posted:Tennessee and the Carolinas also probably wouldn't join the EU. I wonder why he avoided just making the confederacy mark 2? It makes way more sense than the Core of the CSA shacking up with Europe anyway. (I cannot believe nobody has bought a confederate flag with a crying general lee smily).
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:This Middle Eastern religious map kind of illustrates the folly of trying to make Islam-the-map. You get the modern details, but you're left wondering about how it got that way, and who those Ibadi folks are. If these silly foreigners would just quit all their squabbling and let white people tell them where their borders ought to be, the world wouldn't have so many problems 
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Zohar posted:Well there are academics in Russia now who view the US as inherently unstable,* plenty of people see China as inherently unstable, etc. The idea that Austria-Hungary was on the path to collapse certainly wasn't a mainstream view at the time (and "inherently unstable" can mean a lot of things so I don't know if that's what the source you're reading actually says or if it's an interpolation), and France and Austria-Hungary were in any case major rivals at the time. In 1904, for instance, Teddy Roosevelt said that Austria-Hungary's treatment of nationalities was a model the US ought to follow. Kentucky: Proud member of the European Union
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This is seriously Francis Fukuyama levels of nonsensical predictions.
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VitalSigns posted:If these silly foreigners would just quit all their squabbling and let white people tell them where their borders ought to be, the world wouldn't have so many problems You know who made those borders in the first place, right? LP97S fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Nov 9, 2013 |
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Nov 9, 2013 00:48
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Riptor posted:Kentucky: Proud member of the European Union Arizona: Much more Chinese than Mexican.
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withak posted:He is a professor at Russia. It says right there on the picture.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:Arizona: Much more Chinese than Mexican. At least Idaho at one point had a pretty high Chinese population. 
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Lycus posted:The whole point to this was, "Hey guys! Let me show you how we're finally going to get Alaska back!" Igor Panarin posted:"It would be reasonable for Russia to lay claim to Alaska; it was part of the Russian Empire for a long time." A framed satellite image of the Bering Strait that separates Alaska from Russia like a thread hangs from his office wall. "It's not there for no reason," he says with a sly grin. The guy that came up with this map seems to exist to generate insane ideas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Panarin
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LP97S posted:You know who made those borders in the first place, right? And clearly we need to do it do it again! Silly colonials 
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I'm just mentioning that the whole "meddlin overseers!" phrase kinda falls apart when trying to defend the horrible, horrible Middle East borders, unless your backing Israel and Turkey who are more than happy to have their current borders and more since they'll take the kid gloves off. Edit: To clarify, my opinion is "poo poo's all hosed up" and those borders are no more sacrosanct than the fake kingdoms created off of them. LP97S fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Nov 9, 2013 |
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Nov 9, 2013 01:25
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Lycus posted:The whole point to this was, "Hey guys! Let me show you how we're finally going to get Alaska back!" How about we give them Georgia instead, just to confuse everyone?
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:
It looks like it's a recreation of a map from the book Lands of the Eastern Caliphate, a history book from the early 20th century about the Abbasid caliphate. Each area on the inset map has a chapter devoted to how the caliphate affected the history of the area.
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:There are some weird ones in that national stereotypes collection. Some are kind of obvious, I wanted more historical views like this Habsburg guy: This is an amusing map, albeit with a severe lack of art and dynastic marriages, not to mention the fact that both Francis I and Henry VIII died in 1547 and that Charles's son Philip was the king of England by jure uxoris in 1555. Had some of the Hapsburgs' marriages and wars gone marginally better than they did, Europe in 1619 would have been rather different than it turned out. At any rate, sixteenth century Europe was remarkably complex and reducing it to an inevitable path towards the Thirty Years' War alone is incredibly misguided. King Hong Kong fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Nov 9, 2013 |
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Nov 9, 2013 02:34
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:Just gonna call this one oversimplification.jaypeg. I guess the inset map is a proposal for how to carve everything up right. Where did Armenia go? 
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Qipchaq is best Qipchaq.
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Hedera Helix posted:Where did Armenia go? What's an "Armenia" dude? Are you feeling okay?
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Not seeing the Kurds on here. That could be a problem!!!
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Not seeing the Kurds on here. That could be a problem!!! I think most of them are in "Zagros."
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Hedera Helix posted:Where did Armenia go? It's there, as part of the Caspia region. The A sticks slightly into the Pontica region. KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Not seeing the Kurds on here. That could be a problem!!! That's Zagros, essentially. Again, it's not a contemporary map of the Middle east by ethnicity, it's a particular way of mapping cultural influences in the middle east in the period a few centuries either side of 1000AD.
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:I think the idea is that people are most identified with the ancient or middle kingdom that once ruled their region? That seems a little silly to me given the cleavages in some of the "historical zones" today. It seems like these Ibadi guys really have this geography thing figured out. How is being the only state in the middle east where borders and religious demographics match working out for them?
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kustomkarkommando posted:The guy that came up with this map seems to exist to generate insane ideas Most famous for that loving map... If that's all I need to gain global notoriety and a Wikipedia article, I'd better dig up all those alt-history JPEGs I made when I was 18.
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twoday posted:It seems like these Ibadi guys really have this geography thing figured out. How is being the only state in the middle east where borders and religious demographics match working out for them? Mountains, like the Czechs.
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Killer robot posted:How about we give them Georgia instead, just to confuse everyone? I can't find any now but there was definitely some confusion in the USA when Russia invaded Georgia in 2008.
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Peanut President posted:I can't find any now but there was definitely some confusion in the USA when Russia invaded Georgia in 2008. Here. 
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steinrokkan posted:Most famous for that loving map... If that's all I need to gain global notoriety and a Wikipedia article, I'd better dig up all those alt-history JPEGs I made when I was 18. Are we doing this? Okay, I'll start.  I'm so ashamed, now. 
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Pakled posted:Are we doing this? You are smart  Though that's not any worse than any other Nazis-win scenario, and for once it's not one where the Brits suddenly decide Naziism looks like a great idea let's voluntarily join the people we just fought!New Zealand though...
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twoday posted:It seems like these Ibadi guys really have this geography thing figured out. How is being the only state in the middle east where borders and religious demographics match working out for them? If you're talking about Oman it actually doesn't match the borders. Pakled posted:Are we doing this? Australia is a puppet state of Japan and an ally of the US? What?
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