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Know No Fear is NOT simple bolter-porn my friends. Abnett moves the concept of bolter-porn to a new level with that book, writing some of the pulpiest stuff the Black Library has ever published. It's like distilled awesome with lines like, "...who is his equal in combat? His seventeen brothers? Not all seventeen. Not even close. Four, maybe five at most. AT MOST" or "He didn't hesitate for a second, NOT EVEN ONE." Also I just finished Void Stalker tonight. I'm not sure how I feel after that, I'm going to have to sleep on it.
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Abnett made Know No Fear truly epic and I loved every single thing about it. I hope The Warmaster lives up to my expectations but I just re-read the siege of Vervunhive and gently caress, nothing he's done has been quite that epic again.
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Are literary flashbacks a thing? I get them for Vervunhive.
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Sephyr posted:Not quite. They already had that. Odd as it is, Lorgar actually feels kinship and cares for most of his brothers, Angron included. He even tells off Horus for suggesting the same idea. He is easily the most human of the primarchs from what has been published so far (mostly due to his insecurities and his need to be recognized, but also because he never wanted to be just a general or a conqueror). Or he's just lying to himself. Basically the Humbert Humbert effect, since he's the protagonist of the book. For instance, you could say that he tells off Horus for saying they need a monster to fight Sanguinius because it's true, but Lorgar's whole thing is needing a higher purpose for everything. So he invents a high-minded excuse for his actions even though Angron really wants to die and probably would prefer it even to revenge on the Emperor, and certainly would never choose to entirely lose his battle with the nails and become a beast and a slave to Khorne. That's one of the likely meanings of the ambiguous title "Betrayer": Lorgar betrays his brother and delivers him to literally the worst fate imaginable for Angron, which is to be a slave for eternity who's nothing more than an animal and is separated forever from any bond of brotherhood or even humanity with his remaining children/brothers. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Nov 9, 2013 |
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UberJumper posted:Just finished know no fear, and i thought it was a nice piece of bolter porn, but it felt really short, and well full of odd plot holes, and weird references. Keep in mind that a lot of the 'loose ends' in Know No Fear were specifically lead-ins to The Mark of Calth, which details the underground war and other stuff that happened following the events of Know No Fear. I'd recommend it, especially since you're wondering about the aftermathy stuff. It's a good book in its own right, too.
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Cream_Filling posted:Or he's just lying to himself. Basically the Humbert Humbert effect, since he's the protagonist of the book. Spoiler tags because this goes into the meat of a book. That's filling in a lot of blanks in a single direction. Lorgar sacrifices his flagship, endangers his sons and endures great personal horror twice on his mission to save Angron. A bit far to go for mere manipulation in order to have a rival for Sanguinius. In addittion, the book's omniscient narrator mentions more than once that Lorgar wears his emotions on his sleeve. If he is engaging in self-deception, it is so deep that it's pretty much drowned in his entire ideology, particularly since he's working to bring Angron into a fate close to that of his favored sons (the Gal Vorbak) and that he himself aspires to. Angron's reaction upon his ascension indicates that he doesn't much mind, as he tears through the forces assaulting Lorgar, and even before that he had agreed to let Lorgar save his life. It's entirely likely that lorgar sees it all as (forcefully) inviting his brother into a brotherhood that they will all share eventually. As for the Betrayal of the title, it's a purposefully multi-layered affair. It's the whole Shadow Crusade and the larger backdrop of the heresy. It's Argel Tal betraying his principles and better sense to bring Cyrene back. It's Erebus subverting his father's vision behind the scenes. It's Delvarus forsaking his oath to chase easy adrenaline. The whole legion shamefully delivering their librarium into slaughter when the opportunity presents itself. Angron's unwilling abduction. Calth and Gulliman's peaceful empire shattered by his brothers. Even the Emperor concealing Angron's degeneration and possible death from others. It's one of 40k's tragic, delicious little ironies that the character that is the most devoted and true in his dealings pays such a terrible final price for his loyalty, to the point that he calls in despair for the demon in his soul once it's gone.
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Sephyr posted:Spoiler tags because this goes into the meat of a book. You underestimate Lorgar's dedication, and "if he is engaging in self-deception, it is so deep that it's pretty much drowned in his entire ideology" is a key part of his character all throughout.
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Nephilm posted:You underestimate Lorgar's dedication, and "if he is engaging in self-deception, it is so deep that it's pretty much drowned in his entire ideology" is a key part of his character all throughout. At what point does self-deception stop being deception when you act on it at every opportunity? I'm not saying you're wrong, necessarily - the ability to read Lorgar's arc as one of self deception is very much necessary for the character - I'm just curious what you think will clinch your argument in future books? VanSandman fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Nov 9, 2013 |
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Sephyr posted:Spoiler tags because this goes into the meat of a book. I give this interpretation because you seem to take every claim he makes at face value. Mere manipulation? Finding some way to take Sanguinius out of the picture, even by sacrificing another brother, is a strategic necessity for victory because Sanguinius is incredibly powerful. Horus can admit as much, but Lorgar will not because that's his nature. Every action Lorgar takes is pretty selfish, honestly. He's always asking others to make sacrifices, but never really makes any himself - possession being an example. He's not ready to do it himself, but he's okay with tricking and forcing others into it. He dresses this all up in spiritual and emotional garb, but honestly, his entire ideology and pretext for rebellion is pretty silly in the first place and doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless driven by ulterior motives and inner drives. But he'll never admit to why he really rebelled like Horus and others are so open about because, again, that's his nature. Also Angron killing dudes is hardly a mark of approval. That's kind of what he does no matter what - he killed for years in the Emperor's name despite not exactly being a fan of the man. And it means even less after his will has been subsumed and enslaved by his transformation into a daemon prince. VanSandman posted:At what point does self-deception stop being deception when you act on it at every opportunity? But taken only by his actions, Lorgar's pretty much entirely a petty villain corrupted by Chaos. He claims to be principled and to be acting out of caring for others, but somehow none of his actions ever end up in anyone else's interests. He always says how much he cares for others and how sorry he is, but this never actually stops him from being an evil scheming dude who exploits and betrays everyone around him. As an example, Lorgar takes the character who hates being a slave and values brotherhood above all else and turns him into a slave, eliminates any traces of humanity that might bond him to his sons and brothers, and sets his sons onto a path of dissolution and destruction to the point where their most famous captain will be known as "Kharn the Betrayer". This is a pretty bad outcome, so maybe Lorgar is an idiot with good intentions or else, more likely, maybe he betrays Angron despite their close relationship because it's useful to him, and he's not actually the caring, principled person he claims to be or even wants to be. Sort of how he claims he doesn't want to be a general and a conqueror, even though he actually is a general and a conqueror. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Nov 9, 2013 |
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Cream_Filling posted:Every action Lorgar takes is pretty selfish, honestly. He's always asking others to make sacrifices, but never really makes any himself - possession being an example. He freely admits this to Magnus, saying that he has been a coward at times and should have ventured into the Eye first. As for making no sacrifices and -always- being selfish? No. Simply not the case. He faces Corax on the killing fields despite having it in good authority that it will cost his life, to save his sons. He is mortified at Fulgrim's fate despite not really being fond of his brother, and risks throwing a spanner into the rebellion to put things right. He lands alone on Armatura to dig Angron out and takes two plasma blastgun shots to the dome rather than fleeing, and even when his brother is holding the Titan up he stays to lend a telekinetic push before being told to scram. In Nuceria, he loses his flagship, engages Guilliman and then a whole librarium plus a pissed-off Contemptor, ad loses his favorite son. When prompted, he again openly says that Daemon-flavor Angron is still in pain. The whole Sanguinius thing makes no sense in light of how he doesn't give two craps about the Signus Prime gambit. He openly states that no matter what, the Angel will be at eternity's Gate, and only brings Angron as a factor once Horus accuses him of divination. Which he could easily have backed up and said "Yeah, don't sweat Signus Prime, we have Angron! I've seen it all!" if he wanted, rather than again pissing off Horus by pointing out that he is being hollowed out by his ambition and should be a cooler big bro. He of course has a weasely little poo poo side, which only makes sense for someone who had such colossal self-worth issues and is at first trying to convince himself at least as much as he is trying to sway others. But a huge number of his points stand on their own merits: the Emperor's lies about the Warp and the entities there, the bizarrely harsh rebuke on Monarchia, and so on.
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Sephyr posted:He freely admits this to Magnus, saying that he has been a coward at times and should have ventured into the Eye first. As for making no sacrifices and -always- being selfish? No. Simply not the case. I don't see where you're trying to go with this. Again, how are you addressing the criticism that taking what Lorgar says at face value is basically like taking what Humbert Humbert says at face value? Given the choice, he's always pushing other people to make sacrifices for his personal benefit. He's still pretty consistently terrible at understanding and respecting the desires of others when they conflict with his own. He fights sometimes, but then again he's a demi-god created to fight, so this isn't exactly massive. Especially considering that it's left ambiguous whether he's protecting Angron because he's a necessary part of his strategy or else out of personal concern - a distinction which becomes more settled once we realize the horrible fate he's arranged for Angron despite knowing him perhaps the best out of all his brothers. The fact that he still has a conscience and can occasionally be guilted into rash, last-minute action or resigns himself to fate based on prophesy doesn't mean much when the rest of the time, he's carefully scheming to destroy all of mankind. I also don't get your interpretation of the whole Signus Prime thing. He knows the Angel will be at the eternity gates, so he acts and makes absolutely sure that Angron will be at the Eternity Gate no matter what. What part of that shows his regard for others? All I see is Lorgar worried that all the prophesies he relies on are actually tricks and that he's thrown his lot in on a lie. Most of his actual points have very little merit and are pretty whiny. The Emperor never really lied about the warp, for instance - it seems that the existence of warp entities was pretty widely known. The Emperor merely said that there are no gods in the universe, which is a pretty defensible assertion unless you're Lorgar and are desperate to call anything a god, even malign extradimensional intelligences that are utterly inimical to life or even existence in the material universe. The same goes for Monarchia - it's a grand, theatrical gesture meant to stop a disobedient primarch. The Emperor seems to have been pretty clear with his wishes in the past, but Lorgar blithely ignores them. Sort of like how he ignores the wishes of every other person he claims to love and serve in favor of doing what he really wants. The emperor seems to have known that only a massive, public, and incontrovertible gesture could get through Lorgar's thick shell of rationalizations and excuses.
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Lorgar doesn't face Corax to save his Word Bearers, he does it to face his own fears and find out how much he's being manipulated by outside forces - surviving it cements him to the idea that he's his own master, and ultimately weans him off Kor Phaeron's and Erebus' influences as a result (and more openly embraces the warp). He risks himself to save Angron because he's a valuable strategic asset, one for which he has invested much time and effort and even gave up taking vengeance on Guilliman for. This also extents to Nuceria, and ultimately, turning Angron into a DP removes the uncertainty of him and his legion participating on his plans as he deems fit, essentially taking full control of the World Eaters. Lorgar also doesn't care about the Signus Prime deal not because he's seen the future, but because he's convinced Sanguinius will never turn traitor (and is strong enough to survive it) - this isn't divination, but the fact that he personally knows him and that's his judgment on the situation. Cream_Filling posted:The same goes for Monarchia - it's a grand, theatrical gesture meant to stop a disobedient primarch. The Emperor seems to have been pretty clear with his wishes in the past, but Lorgar blithely ignores them. Sort of like how he ignores the wishes of every other person he claims to love and serve in favor of doing what he really wants. The emperor seems to have known that only a massive, public, and incontrovertible gesture could get through Lorgar's thick shell of rationalizations and excuses. And it finally worked, just not in the right way.
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Cream_Filling posted:The same goes for Monarchia - it's a grand, theatrical gesture meant to stop a disobedient primarch. The Emperor seems to have been pretty clear with his wishes in the past, but Lorgar blithely ignores them. Sort of like how he ignores the wishes of every other person he claims to love and serve in favor of doing what he really wants. The emperor seems to have known that only a massive, public, and incontrovertible gesture could get through Lorgar's thick shell of rationalizations and excuses. A more charitable alternative explanation is that Lorgar conceives of this Angron as DP deal because he really thinks it's a good idea. But this shows Lorgar's flaws if, even after all this time, he doesn't actually understand Angron at all and he thinks enslaving him is a great idea. Perhaps then there is a contrast being drawn between Angron's commitment to brotherhood and Lorgar, who is not particularly interested in his brother so much as the ideal of brotherhood itself, and so acts without thought to the reality of the situation itself. Just like how he contrives to worship his beloved Emperor despite the Emperor's clear wishes not to be worshiped. Which makes sense in context of his characterization as the high-minded one who has trouble reconciling his ideals with reality. This also helps flesh out his fall to Chaos - the idea of gods actually existing so captures and enraptures him that he misses the fact that they're actually some combination of evil and unhumanly insane until he's so committed that, as a fanatic, he's past the point of doubt.
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Cream_Filling posted:He fights sometimes, but then again he's a demi-god created to fight, so this isn't exactly massive. Especially considering that it's left ambiguous whether he's protecting Angron because he's a necessary part of his strategy or else out of personal concern - a distinction which becomes more settled once we realize the horrible fate he's arranged for Angron despite knowing him perhaps the best out of all his brothers.... What would count as a sacrifice, then? This discussion is splitting way too many hairs. If personal danger and mortal injury, loss of troops and material, potentially disrupting the Heresy he worked so hard to set up, risking humiliation and the death of close people all don't count, what does? Lorgar could have not lifted one finger and Angron would still be there at the battle for Terra. Nothing indicates the Nails are killing him -that- fast. In addition, he is not aware that Angron is up for ascension until the final duel in Nuceria when the warp aligns. It's just as likely that Lorgar truly wanted to save him and assure his immortality (and it doesn't go against the omniscient narrative), if only to convince himself that his cause was righteous. You can argue that becoming a daemon prince is a terrible fate, but it's quite clear that the primarch doesn't see it that way. The Emperor lied by omission at the very least, choosing not to warn his children of the real dangers of warp corruption. He could very easily have taken Lorgar and Magnus aside, shared the truth with them and entrusted them with safeguarding mankind's spiritual safety from such forces, in knowledge rather than ignorance. Of course, then we wouldn't have the setting, so some thick-headedness all-around is warranted. The degree to which the big E chastised the Word Bearers is also not clear. Unless it included calling Lorgar for a stern face-to-face talk that went entirely unheeded, though, the rebuke was idiotic and self-defeating. "Don't worship me as a god, I'm just the Omnissiah! And by the way, KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!" It's my main problem with the ADB heresy books, in fact; someone as supernaturally smart as the Emperor likely would know better. quote:Lorgar also doesn't care about the Signus Prime deal not because he's seen the future, but because he's convinced Sanguinius will never turn traitor (and is strong enough to survive it) - this isn't divination, but the fact that he personally knows him and that's his judgment on the situation. Oh, definitely. The point is that Horus thought Lorgar wanted to save Angron because he'd seen something in a vision, and and Lorgar could easily just have lied and said that yes, he had, so they could skip the whole Signus Prime gambit and focus their efforts elsewhere instead of going "I'm trying to save my brother because he's my bro, and you should feel the same way." As an aside, Lorgar's little speech to Erebus about why Sanguinius could never be turned is one of the most interesting bits about the Blood Angels I've read. It really makes me wish the legion/chapter was in better authorial hands. Leaving the whole heresy deal aside, what hopefully-decent books are nearing release that we know of?
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Sephyr posted:As an aside, Lorgar's little speech to Erebus about why Sanguinius could never be turned is one of the most interesting bits about the Blood Angels I've read. It really makes me wish the legion/chapter was in better authorial hands.
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Point of Order: Lorgar realizes that Khorne is paying attention to Angron in I think Butcher's Nails, where the World Eaters and Word Bearers nearly come to blows until the Eldar attack. They decide to kill the Eldar instead of each other and eventually meet a farseer who calls Angron favored by the Blood God.
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Sephyr posted:What would count as a sacrifice, then? This discussion is splitting way too many hairs. If personal danger and mortal injury, loss of troops and material, potentially disrupting the Heresy he worked so hard to set up, risking humiliation and the death of close people all don't count, what does? No, Angron is pretty clearly unpredictable and uncontrollable, plus nobody knows how fast he's dying. You could easily see it as Lorgar making sure Angron is there by reining in a famously unpredictable force so that he can control him. I don't see the appeal of the straight interpretation taking Lorgar's explanations purely at face value. It just seems kind of boring and doesn't even tally that well with any objective view of his actions. I think it's better to read most of ADB's chaos books based on the thought that "bad guys don't think they're bad guys" (even though they are). Ultimately, I think that the Lorgar(s) I'm describing is just a more interesting character than the one you're describing, the misguided nice guy who's sort of right. The point of the discussion isn't to "split hairs," it's to engage in the easy space fantasy version of criticism and interpret the text in different ways. Sephyr posted:The Emperor lied by omission at the very least, choosing not to warn his children of the real dangers of warp corruption. He could very easily have taken Lorgar and Magnus aside, shared the truth with them and entrusted them with safeguarding mankind's spiritual safety from such forces, in knowledge rather than ignorance. Of course, then we wouldn't have the setting, so some thick-headedness all-around is warranted. Not really, though? He pretty clearly warned them that the warp was dangerous and not to mess with it, and especially not to communicate with any sort of warp entities (e.g, "sorcery") because of the risk of corruption. How is that a lie of omission? And telling Lorgar and Magnus, the insecure religious fanatic and the sorcerer with serious hubris issues, that there might be powerful super-intelligences in the warp (beyond just the minor warp entities they know about) that are too powerful to deal with and not to be trifled with, would be like telling your kids that guns are powerful and too awesome for children so that's why they're in the downstairs closet behind the old boots. Extremely dangerous unless you can keep them under close supervision until you fully educate them, which he couldn't at that time. Especially since it's unclear just how much the Emperor himself understands about chaos at that time. It's also fairly well implied that there's been several stern talks of various sorts between Lorgar and the Emperor, but Lorgar pretty much just thinks up excuses to ignore them and goes back to doing his thing after a while. When a guy comes up with a thick treatise saying "the fact that you command me to not worship you like a god further proves that you are, in fact, a god," it's pretty clear that just plain arguments or even straight commands aren't enough, and you need an epic (in the literal sense of "like something from an epic poem or mythology") gesture. And also because in general that's how mythic logic works. I do think the transition from mythic storytelling to more prosaic, rationalist storytelling for novels about the HH era is pretty rough and honestly would have been better not done at all, but at the same time I don't think it's impossible to handle if done carefully and so far the BL writers have at least done a decent job keeping enough mystery present that they can justify/fudge a lot of that gap pretty easily. It seems that you're doing the thing a lot of people do and basically assuming the Emperor was an idiot because you want it to be true. Except the writers have been pretty coy about the whole thing so there's still a whole lot of free play for them to justify it in a reasonable way. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Nov 10, 2013 |
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PrBacterio posted:Which book was that in? I don't remember reading this and it sounds interesting. Betrayer. The gist of it is that Sanguinus embodies both the best and worst traits of the primarchs, and that his strengths make him loyal to the Emperor out of love and nobility while his weaknesses make him loyal to the Emperor out of fear, and that the combination of the two means that there is no way that Sanguinus can be turned to their cause.
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Khizan posted:Betrayer.
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Lorgar is talking to Erebus and Argel Tal. More specifically, it's in chapter 12. My Kindle version has it at ~location 3900.
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VanSandman posted:Point of Order: Lorgar realizes that Khorne is paying attention to Angron in I think Butcher's Nails, where the World Eaters and Word Bearers nearly come to blows until the Eldar attack. They decide to kill the Eldar instead of each other and eventually meet a farseer who calls Angron favored by the Blood God. A small nitpick about that which was somewhat interesting. Those weren't craft world eldar. Those were dark eldar, it was an archon and his incubi they faced down at the end.
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Heresy: Master of Mankind is late next year by ADB and the primary legion there will be the Blood Angels Unremembered Empire by Abnett is out digital now, will be mass market release soonish Non Heresy: Talon of Horus (Black Legion 1) will be out early next year by ADB The Warmaster (Gaunt's Ghosts 14) will be out next July by Abnett
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Fried Chicken posted:The Warmaster (Gaunt's Ghosts 14) will be out next July by Abnett Sigh Safety Factor posted:More about the Word Bearers: That makes sense. I don't think Know no Fear is a bad book, and it did make the both the Ultramarine's and Roberto Guilliman into something much more interesting. But a large chunk of the book is dedicated to Calth being more or less getting systematically destroyed, and yet the book just ends pretty much after they recapture the orbital weapons grid, aside from a small epilogue of the future. There were a fair amount of characters that were introduced and characterized, and only to have them do 1 or 2 things (newbie dreadnought, the legion champion, that evil guy who wants his dagger back). It wasn't a bad book, but i just feel that a large chunk of it was missing. That i assume will be covered by another book. In other news, i have read 2 of the stories in the Primarchs, and they were both terrible. The Fulgrim torture story  The Alpha legion story was also pretty bland and bad, that i just had to stop. I don't understand the entire point of the story, at first they talk about a traitor in their legion, then it changes into Omegon needs the Pylon to die with no real explanation, of anything.
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Mr Teatime posted:A small nitpick about that which was somewhat interesting. Those weren't craft world eldar. Those were dark eldar, it was an archon and his incubi they faced down at the end. This. I was listening to the audiobook while working out and when both primarchs get to the bridge of the Eldar ship and see chains and corpses and spikes and hooks everywhere, making it clear to the listener that it's a DE vessel, one of them quips "This almost looks like Curze's bedroom" and I started laughing my rear end of by myself and convincing people around me that my mother spent the whole pregnancy attending tequila drinking contests while she was carrying me.
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UberJumper posted:The Alpha legion story was also pretty bland and bad, that i just had to stop. I don't understand the entire point of the story, at first they talk about a traitor in their legion, then it changes into Omegon needs the Pylon to die with no real explanation, of anything. If I remember right, the only thing you need to know from that story is that Alpharius and Omegon aren't actually on the same page about what do to with the information they learned from the Cabal and are plotting around each other, but we still don't actually know what either of them is planning in the long term because the Alpha Legion is bullshit.
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Potooweet posted:If I remember right, the only thing you need to know from that story is that Alpharius and Omegon aren't actually on the same page about what do to with the information they learned from the Cabal and are plotting around each other, but we still don't actually know what either of them is planning in the long term because the Alpha Legion is bullshit. So Alpharius is the one having the pylon array built? Then Omegon sabotages it? Doesn't only The Emperor and a few others know that the Alpha legion primarch is actually two primarchs? Couldn't Omegon just walk in tell them to stop and blow it up since nobody can tell the difference between the two of them?
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In regards to Alpha Legion... I always took it that Alpha is pro-cabal's plan and is pro Horus just to ensure that humanity doesn't suffer in the long run. Omega on the other hand is pure loyalist playing an Alpha Legion game of propaganda and deception to be able to not only betray Horus, but also his legion, in loyality to the Emperor. The problem is the way the Heresy will play out leaves Omega no option to Betray the forces of Chaos to bring what remains of Alpha Legion back into the fold.
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I finally finished that awful Alpha Legion story, and understood the plot twist he wasn't Omegeon, i don't understand why they are more or less left to die. Is it to tie up loose ends?. I also painfully finished reading Gav Thorpe's The Lion. And it was better than the others, but not by much: - The Lion now refers to all of his space marines as "Little Brothers" (almost once every page) - The lion suffers from full blown aspergers - Navigators apparently shoot Black Beams out of their third eye - Isn't Typhon supposed to be named Typhus? The only  part is when The lion kills a Lord of Change with relative easeI will say however, that so far The Primarchs is borderline worse than Battle of the Abyss.
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VanSandman posted:Typhon isn't Typhus yet. But i swear in the Flight of Eisenstein he was called Typhus there? Or am i just crazy?
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UberJumper posted:But i swear in the Flight of Eisenstein he was called Typhus there? Or am i just crazy? You are just crazy, I believe it even has a narrator line about how he it's 'a time before he became Typhus' or something equally blatant.
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Demon Of The Fall posted:Isn't it stated in Legion that while Alpharius is smaller than your average primarch, you can still tell he is one, and Omegon is described as the size of an average Astartes? I could be making this up. The twins are indistinguishable from each other and they both lack (or actively suppress) the "biggest guy in the room" aura that makes the other Primarchs stand out. They are also really hard to tell apart from the Astartes of their legion since all of the Alpha Marines go through surgical changes, and hypno-suggestion to mimic the looks and stance of their Primarch. One of the big hints of the twist in Legion was that John could use his awesome people reading skills to tell all the Alpha Legionnaires apart except for two random ones who he noted really did seem identical (the Primarchs).
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Fellblade posted:You are just crazy, I believe it even has a narrator line about how he it's 'a time before he became Typhus' or something equally blatant. Ahh then that makes sense, i haven't read flight of the Eisenstein in awhile.
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UberJumper posted:Ahh then that makes sense, i haven't read flight of the Eisenstein in awhile. Why not? 
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One Legged Cat posted:Why not? Because i am slowly working my way to Betrayer in anticipation of how awesome i expect it to be.
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Nov 11, 2013 23:24
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So I was reading some more standard bolter-porn and thought to myself for the nth time: gently caress, even I could write better than this. So why the hell not try it? I'm unemployed right now, so I figure I'll give writing horrible 40k fiction a shot. Its been a while since I wrote any kind of fiction, but after numerous papers and lately my masters thesis my writing skills shouldn't be too bad. I figure I could submit it to BL, and if they dont want it I'll just release it for free and chalk it up as an "experience".
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Nov 12, 2013 08:22
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Mr.48 posted:So I was reading some more standard bolter-porn and thought to myself for the nth time: gently caress, even I could write better than this. Raise your hand if you've written 40k fanfiction. *raises hand* VanSandman fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Nov 12, 2013 |
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Nov 12, 2013 08:26
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Is Fear to Tread readable? Its James Swallow and i am worried
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UberJumper posted:Is Fear to Tread readable? Its James Swallow and i am worried I liked it, and the end of the book has some really cool scenes. Its not terrible, but its not ADB.
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