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Demiurge4 posted:The usual argument is brick and mortar shops vs digital release.
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hiddenmovement posted:I got a yankee to gift me, and its still broken. So they did two separate versions *and* region-locked the American one? What the actual gently caress, Firaxis.
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Nov 12, 2013 11:46
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Darkhold posted:Yeah it's pretty clear that stores don't want to give digital releases such a clear advantage. So instead of re-aligning their business to work with US release dates they'd rather complain to publishers and get them to hold back. The end result of this in Australia is widespread piracy. The widest spread piracy in the world.
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Nov 12, 2013 11:47
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This expansion is pretty cool. It adds a lot of personality to the squad and adds some more weapon/class choices. Everything was going well until I lost my entire squad to the first Terror mission!
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Nov 12, 2013 11:49
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hiddenmovement posted:The end result of this in Australia is widespread piracy. The widest spread piracy in the world. The alternative is letting digital stores in Australia sell for international prices, which will murder physical shops and cause a moderate industry to collapse, having wide repercussions for a subset of the population and most importantly destroy jobs. Which I'm sure is why it hasn't happened because politicians would try to block it.
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Nov 12, 2013 11:50
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hiddenmovement posted:The end result of this in Australia is widespread piracy. The widest spread piracy in the world. Mission Accomplished. Good work you proud publisher retards! (just venting, wont get to play till the weekend :cryingeuro:)
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Nov 12, 2013 11:51
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hiddenmovement posted:The end result of this in Australia is widespread piracy. The widest spread piracy in the world. Well, it's not *just* the locking of media to well after international release. It's also the fact we pay almost literally double for everything when we finally do get it here. Then they complain about piracy rates and people bypassing paying the local price as if this is some sort of astounding unforeseen consequence. Yes, I'm mad I have to wait for a video game. I have free time tonight, drat it.  e: Demiurge4 posted:The alternative is letting digital stores in Australia sell for international prices, which will murder physical shops and cause a moderate industry to collapse, having wide repercussions for a subset of the population and most importantly destroy jobs. Which I'm sure is why it hasn't happened because politicians would try to block it. This isn't true at all. They just won't stock PC games, which is basically true right now anyway. There is a large amount of public support from business to stop the "Australia tax", but the issue is the government can't really legislate based on what a company does in another country. shalcar fucked around with this message at 11:55 on Nov 12, 2013 |
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Nov 12, 2013 11:52
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Bruceski posted:One "bug" (may or may not be intentional), mechs cannot talk to VIPs. I took the Portent mission with everyone wounded except twin Robocops, and couldn't do a drat thing. So I punched the guy. I talked to the VIP with my MEC without any issues
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Nov 12, 2013 11:56
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Demiurge4 posted:The alternative is letting digital stores in Australia sell for international prices, which will murder physical shops and cause a moderate industry to collapse, having wide repercussions for a subset of the population and most importantly destroy jobs. Which I'm sure is why it hasn't happened because politicians would try to block it. Actually even the government says gently caress it to Geo-blocks. It wouldn't cause the local businesses to collapse just bring them in line with a more reasonable pricing.
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Nov 12, 2013 11:57
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Had a pretty promising campaign going until I slammed into what I assume is the EXALT intro mission, which threw 4 packs of Thin Men at me on classic BEFORE I activated the escort. Cue absolute massacre of bullshit Thin Man sniper crits. MECs are really cool, but they have some serious weak points. Their inability to take cover is absolutely devastating and is barely compensated for by their huge HP totals since they'll still get popped by two good floater or Thin Man shots early on and it costs a lot more to replace a dead one than it does a rookie. The minigun also feels even less accurate than the Heavy's LMG and only holds a whopping *two* shots per reload. On the flip side, with the Kinetic Strike Module they move almost as fast as Sprinter supports and Collateral Damage is an amazing ability for blowing up cover since it works like a 100% accurate rocket(though it spends your entire magazine). They feel pretty balanced, actually.
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Nov 12, 2013 11:59
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Darkhold posted:Parliamentary report urges Australians to bypass online geo-blocks that can double prices for IT products Reading this I'm surprised there hasn't been a WTO complaint made by Australia yet. Digital products should be a special case since the supply is effectively limitless.
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Nov 12, 2013 12:00
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hiddenmovement posted:The end result of this in Australia is widespread piracy. The widest spread piracy in the world. I got all WoW expansions at the same time as the Americans (actually a few hours earlier). If it can be done for WoW, why not for other games? I don't care if new games come out on Tuesday or Friday.
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Nov 12, 2013 12:03
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I'm hoping the region lock bullshit doesn't gently caress me over, I have a local holiday that happens to be tomorrow so I was looking forward to many guilt free hours with the new game. 
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Nov 12, 2013 12:10
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Demiurge4 posted:The alternative is letting digital stores in Australia sell for international prices, which will murder physical shops and cause a moderate industry to collapse, having wide repercussions for a subset of the population and most importantly destroy jobs. Which I'm sure is why it hasn't happened because politicians would try to block it. Having worked for EB Games in Australia, I'm all for destroying physical stores. It's somehow even more annoying that resorting to the bullshit nerd solution (VPN) won't solve the problem when it has in the past. I mean, it's not like I'm pirating it, I just want to access it at the same time as the rest of the thread. Darkhold posted:Parliamentary report urges Australians to bypass online geo-blocks that can double prices for IT products Following the change of government since that report was commissioned and published, I'd suggest the new government is going to be a lot less willing to make demands of large software companies. Basically, the Australia Tax and Australia Delay will remain in full effect for the next three years. It's cool though, because we won't have fast internet to make use of the better download options. Coq au Nandos fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Nov 12, 2013 |
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Nov 12, 2013 12:12
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Coq au Nandos posted:Having worked for EB Games in Australia, I'm all for destroying physical stores. I'm sure there are other factors at play. Even if prices were normalized so brick and mortar shops could afford to price games at the regular prices there would still be resistance. People want to make a profit, and right now for digital releases the publisher is pocketing the gouge difference on Steam etc. Australians have proven they are willing to pay these prices and if one shop were to offer a game at $45 instead of $80 I think you'd find that shop would have a lot of problems getting stock because the publisher wants to keep prices high.
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Oh geez, mechtoids show up before cyberdiscs Edit: Mechtoid autopsy yields NOTHING Space Hamlet fucked around with this message at 12:19 on Nov 12, 2013 |
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Nov 12, 2013 12:15
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Wait, don't we have to autospy Mechtoids before we can field MECs? And is Shen still grumpy about doing it.
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I couldn't give two shits if brick and mortar gaming stores in Australia collapse into oblivion and I bet the people who work there won't either. We don't exactly have a shortage of jobs in Australia right now. If you're going to price-gouge us at least don't rub salt on the wound by delaying releases (in some cases for months). Digital goods are one of the few things where I don't feel bad for buying from a giant, foreign company rather than supporting local businesses.
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poptart_fairy posted:Wait, don't we have to autospy Mechtoids before we can field MECs? It's funny, because the research description directly implies that you ought to research mechtoids if you wanna build MECs, but no, had MECs way before the mechtoid showed up. I think that would be a fun constraint to self-apply, however.
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Nov 12, 2013 12:28
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Space Hamlet posted:Edit: Mechtoid autopsy yields NOTHING Really? I thought Shaped Armour and Advanced Servomotors was meant to come from it.
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Nov 12, 2013 12:34
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Darkrenown posted:Really? I thought Shaped Armour and Advanced Servomotors was meant to come from it. Hmm, maybe we didn't see those because we've got no foundry
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Space Hamlet posted:It's funny, because the research description directly implies that you ought to research mechtoids if you wanna build MECs, but no, had MECs way before the mechtoid showed up. I think that would be a fun constraint to self-apply, however. How scary are mechtoids? I'd like to focus primarily on genemods and keep one, at most two, MEC's around just in case but I'd consider skipping them altogether if they are as cheesy as people make them out to be.
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Nov 12, 2013 12:36
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poptart_fairy posted:Wait, don't we have to autospy Mechtoids before we can field MECs? Apparently not. All you have to do is research Meld Recombination and build a Cybernetics Lab. Then you can augment a soldier using meld, and once you have a MEC Trooper handy, you can build a MEC suit using cash and meld. The MEC suit even gets built instantly. e: And no, Shen is big on MECs. I got a bit of a chill when I sent my first guy to the Cybernetics Lab and heard Shen "Cool, we'll send him to Vahlen for the necessary amputations." Vahlen is strictly to be used on the enemy, man! Vengarr fucked around with this message at 12:43 on Nov 12, 2013 |
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Nov 12, 2013 12:37
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Demiurge4 posted:How scary are mechtoids? I'd like to focus primarily on genemods and keep one, at most two, MEC's around just in case but I'd consider skipping them altogether if they are as cheesy as people make them out to be. MECs felt slightly cheesy for about a mission or two, just before mutons and exalt showed up. They're strong but they take a lot of fire and have some harsh limitations (can only fire twice before reloading, can't get up on roofs without an upgrade and even then can't do so without ending their turn, no cover, no gadgets), and tend to get pretty close to the fringe - my bro and I have kept ours in the run he's streaming, but both have been brought down to one health in missions - damage roulette is on, so the dicerolls could easily have ended them. They're also expensive, augmenting a soldier and building a suit costs about as much meld as two or three of the cheaper gene mods. As for mechtoids, they show up early enough to be pretty scary. They've felt like boss fights. This is all on classic.
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I have been able to trick Steam into letting me download Enemy Within with SpotFlux. The download is even going at a somewhat reasonable 10 mbit/s, but I'll have to see whether Steam will actually let me start the game. I am currently in Germany and got Enemy Within through a Steam gift.
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Nov 12, 2013 12:48
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Druidika posted:I have been able to trick Steam into letting me download Enemy Within with SpotFlux. The download is even going at a somewhat reasonable 10 mbit/s, but I'll have to see whether Steam will actually let me start the game.
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Nov 12, 2013 12:51
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Darkhold posted:You sure it's not just the patch? There's a 4 gig patch as well as the 7 gig download. Whats the story with this patch, I just noticed steam downloading it. Does it add/change anything or is it just to help integrate EW?
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Nov 12, 2013 12:54
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Darkhold posted:You sure it's not just the patch? There's a 4 gig patch as well as the 7 gig download. I downloaded the 4 gig patch through my normal connection and am now downloading the 7.2 gig expansion.
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Nov 12, 2013 12:56
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Demiurge4 posted:How scary are mechtoids? I'd like to focus primarily on genemods and keep one, at most two, MEC's around just in case but I'd consider skipping them altogether if they are as cheesy as people make them out to be. MECs are cheesy precisely up until floaters and thin men become common, at which point they're just fine. Not being able to get cover bonuses is a titanic penalty which means they can be rather easily killed unless you carefully manage line of sight. That and two-shots-then-reload is incredibly limiting.
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DocHorror posted:Whats the story with this patch, I just noticed steam downloading it. Does it add/change anything or is it just to help integrate EW? Goons analyzed it earlier, it seems to mostly be the old videos for EU.
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Does anyone have any tips for dealing with Seekers? It's not that they're hard or making it hard to win missions, they just take forever to come out of Stealth mode. AoE doesn't seem to affect them while they're stealthed, so even if I know exactly where they are I often have to just sit around for several turns on Overwatch - is there any way to draw them out?Kanos posted:MECs are cheesy precisely up until floaters and thin men become common, at which point they're just fine. Not being able to get cover bonuses is a titanic penalty which means they can be rather easily killed unless you carefully manage line of sight. That and two-shots-then-reload is incredibly limiting. I give my MECs the ability that gives them +15 defense when in Overwatch and I almost never have them end a turn without being in Overwatch. Even with Thin Men and Floaters everywhere they're still surviving. I just had to do a mission full of Floaters and two Seekers with just a MEC and a Sniper 
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Has the expansion changed the early basebuilding game at all, or am I still going to be rushing satellite coverage? Just wondering what to do with my money/space early game.
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Nov 12, 2013 13:00
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Vengarr posted:e: And no, Shen is big on MECs. I got a bit of a chill when I sent my first guy to the Cybernetics Lab and heard Shen "Cool, we'll send him to Vahlen for the necessary amputations." Vahlen is strictly to be used on the enemy, man! You sold out Shen, YOU SOLD OUT. But, bah, reading all this is frustrating. Roll on Friday already.
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Photosynaesthesias posted:Does anyone have any tips for dealing with Seekers? It's not that they're hard or making it hard to win missions, they just take forever to come out of Stealth mode. AoE doesn't seem to affect them while they're stealthed, so even if I know exactly where they are I often have to just sit around for several turns on Overwatch - is there any way to draw them out? +15 defense is less than half cover. I'm not meaning to imply that all MECs simultaneously explode and/or become useless the instant a thin man first drops out of the sky, but they stop being unstoppable armored kool aid men really fast when enemies can reliably do 6-8 damage per shot. They feel pretty well balanced for what they bring to the team.
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How do I force the Steam version to download the 7 gig patch? I downloaded the 4 gig, couldn't start the game after that- I'd assumed I'd need to close and restart Steam, but that doesn't seem to force the download. EDIT: Enemy Unknown won't unlock in my region for 2 days, but I just want to play the vanilla version.
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In other words TotalBiscuit was wrong about MECS (or they received tweaks after his preview.). Either way Im glad to hear.
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Nov 12, 2013 13:06
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Mokinokaro posted:In other words TotalBiscuit was wrong about MECS (or they received tweaks after his preview.). Either way Im glad to hear. They're extremely powerful if you manage line of sight angles. Being able to effectively support sprint into melee for a guaranteed 12 damage is pretty eye-opening, and the minigun is quite powerful for a tier one weapon. You're definitely stronger in EW than you were in EU at the same point, I just don't think they trivialize the game like TotalBiscuit was complaining about.
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When you customize armor colors, do the guns automatically change color? And does changing the deco of a gene-mod's armor give them sleeves back?
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Ravenfood posted:When you customize armor colors, do the guns automatically change color? And does changing the deco of a gene-mod's armor give them sleeves back? Yes, no. The decos for gene soldiers are shoulderpads.
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Here's another question, I saw augmented soldiers and I saw massive mech suits... Is there a difference or is one just the final result of the other?
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