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Hamsterlady
Jul 8, 2010

Corpse Party, bitches.
I'm currently doing a NG+ max S.Link run, and I've got my EXP gains cranked all the way up so I can easily blow through dungeons in a single day without having to worry at all.

So I was sitting here thinking "I wish this game had multiple save slots so I could do a regular run at the same time, I feel like playing with actual challenge." and I suddenly realized that my desire to save in multiple slots has reached such a point that I've started to consider all 16 save slots as just one.

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Iceclaw
Nov 4, 2009

Fa la lanky down dilly, motherfuckers.
Can't really blame you, especially sith all the new things they added in January and they have you make a snowman with Nanako and greet everyone on neww year and Teddie crashing on your couch why wasn't it in the original game :swoon:

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

DarkHamsterlord posted:

I'm currently doing a NG+ max S.Link run, and I've got my EXP gains cranked all the way up so I can easily blow through dungeons in a single day without having to worry at all.

So I was sitting here thinking "I wish this game had multiple save slots so I could do a regular run at the same time, I feel like playing with actual challenge." and I suddenly realized that my desire to save in multiple slots has reached such a point that I've started to consider all 16 save slots as just one.

Get a new memory card for every play-through. :unsmigghh:

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

Bought a Vita to play this after loving the anime adaptation so god drat much and playing P3 some, and I have to say that the art and music direction is phenomenal. It seems like a strange thing to pick up on but I really like the way the text in the menus and so on are displayed, it's very... hard to describe but cool. Also the "let's wreck poo poo" song that plays when you have player advantage just gets my blood going even after a few dungeons of fighting mooks that way.

404GoonNotFound
Aug 6, 2006

The McRib is back!?!?
Yeah, they really integrated the "pop art" style into every pore, which is probably why I'm one of the insane ones who prefers this to 3.

Dred Cosmonaut
Jan 6, 2010

There once was a tiger-striped cat.
Most everyone prefers 4 to 3 though?

Cake Attack
Mar 26, 2010

Sorta. It used to be a point of contention, but nowadays, especially with Golden, it seems like consensus has tipped in favor of 4.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
I still prefer vanilla 4 to 3 FES, and have never successfully gotten very far into 3. It's the Shining Force 2 problem, in that since I played 4 first, all the QoL improvements they made over 3 are much harder to go without.

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord
Yeah I played P3P after beating 4 and even with 4's gameplay I just couldn't get into the game as I much as I tried and I dropped it after getting Akihiko.

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



I can't even go back to P4 vanilla after playing Golden, so I can't even imagine trying to play P3, especially if (like me) you've never played it at all.

Wiseblood
Dec 31, 2000

Besides the gameplay improvements I liked the story better and find the characters WAY more likeable in Persona 4.

Though Persona 3 does have Koromaru which is a huge point in its favor.

Ageofbob
Sep 16, 2011
I was able to play P3P just fine after Golden :confused:, I don't remember it being particularly annoying or anything

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



I'd probably have played more of P3P if it weren't for the whole 'everything is one single massive dungeon which occasionally changes colour' thing.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

To be fair, it's not like the P4 dungeon design was much more interesting - though the aesthetics did at least change more often and more drastically.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Endorph posted:

To be fair, it's not like the P4 dungeon design was much more interesting - though the aesthetics did at least change more often and more drastically.

There's just a lot more to them. Even if you take the TV world as one big dungeon there's so much more to it, plot-wise and character wise, so that it doesn't feel like such a grind. I want to go into the dungeon to save someone or move the story forward in some exciting way, not to get to floor 57 and reach the orange bit.

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

Honestly I prefer P4 mostly due to the social links being interesting. The ones in P3 were pretty interchangeable and I didn't find many compelling characters besides Punchmaster McGee. P4 seems like the characters are more... human? Which is kind of key in a friend-having simulator

404GoonNotFound
Aug 6, 2006

The McRib is back!?!?
Yeah, I guess before the "Year of Persona 4" (Golden, The Animation, Arena, the two spinoffs nobody talks about) it was definitely more of an active fandom war. But then everyone realized that nobody says no to Narukami.

Kinu Nishimura
Apr 24, 2008

SICK LOOT!

404GoonNotFound posted:

Yeah, I guess before the "Year of Persona 4" (Golden, The Animation, Arena, the two spinoffs nobody talks about)

Two? I can only think of the novel about Naoto and the transforming cyborg motorcycle dude. There was another one?

Snix
Aug 31, 2012

After the war of great troll, he only stands. He now returns to the legendary city to seek revenge on the death of his village. Episode 1: "Legendary School Girl Bubble Gum! Will Senpai Notice Me!?"
I think there was a manga starring Yosuke. Unless 404 means the stage play and the musical. Or the porno.

I like P3 a little better than P4, because I like the style a little more. I also like the villain more, since I feel there was more buildup, on top of a rival Persona group fighting you. In 4, the only villain with buildup is quickly taken out and replaced by another antagonist. Then that antagonist is replaced by another villain. You could argue that there are signs that point to the true villain, but a first time player probably wouldn't catch them until the end. To be fair, that is a surprising twist. Also, I'm biased towards P3 a little since it popped my persona cherry. Hell, it popped my SMT cherry.

Snix fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Nov 12, 2013

Iceclaw
Nov 4, 2009

Fa la lanky down dilly, motherfuckers.

Snix posted:

Or the porno.
:catstare: I mean, I'm no stranger to internet, but, what the hell? Is this really a thing?

quote:

on top of a rival Persona group fighting you.
That's actually something that's missing to P3/P4: a fight against another persona group, with equal numbers on each side, each with their own movesets and elemental affinities.

Kinu Nishimura
Apr 24, 2008

SICK LOOT!

Snix posted:

on top of a rival Persona group fighting you.

You're seriously calling Strega a point in Persona 3's favor?

Wiseblood
Dec 31, 2000

Iceclaw posted:

That's actually something that's missing to P3/P4: a fight against another persona group, with equal numbers on each side, each with their own movesets and elemental affinities.

And pathetically easy to defeat.

Dred Cosmonaut
Jan 6, 2010

There once was a tiger-striped cat.

Iceclaw posted:

:catstare: I mean, I'm no stranger to internet, but, what the hell? Is this really a thing?

Yes sir :unsmigghh:

Snix
Aug 31, 2012

After the war of great troll, he only stands. He now returns to the legendary city to seek revenge on the death of his village. Episode 1: "Legendary School Girl Bubble Gum! Will Senpai Notice Me!?"
I mean, it's not an official Persona thing, but TMA made a porn parody called "Perofella." It's based on the anime. This is the opening.

Also, hardcore, equal numbers, rival Persona fight will be cool. The closest thing the series had to that was the Shadow fights in Innocent Sin, but I don't recall fighting them as a team. Plus, they're copies, not rivals.


alcharagia posted:

You're seriously calling Strega a point in Persona 3's favor?
Was there something wrong with Strega? It's been a while, but I don't remember anything particularly wrong with them.

A Bystander
Oct 10, 2012

Wiseblood posted:

And pathetically easy to defeat.

This should go both ways. Either you make the first move count or the other side will. Or it could be a total drag of a fight as both sides try to desperately cover for each other. It could be a cool idea for a boss fight if done right.

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry

Snix posted:

Was there something wrong with Strega? It's been a while, but I don't remember anything particularly wrong with them.
Chidori is a waste of space and Takaya is just silly from the ground up. I find Jin sort of funny because you can piss him off during his last boss fight if you cover all of your weaknesses. Overall, I would say they are monumentally less interesting than the villain in P4.

Snix
Aug 31, 2012

After the war of great troll, he only stands. He now returns to the legendary city to seek revenge on the death of his village. Episode 1: "Legendary School Girl Bubble Gum! Will Senpai Notice Me!?"
Oh, you mean as characters. Eh, yeah, they aren't too interesting, (no, I lied, Takaya is hilariously bizarre design-wise,) but my point was that there was a known force you were fighting against throughout a lot of the game. P4 doesn't really have that until you finger the killer. It great to finally identify who that person is and then track them, but they're gone just as quickly, and then replaced by a few villains who come out of nowhere. I never really felt any sort of payoff.

edit: Now that I think about it, Chidori coming back to life was loving bullshit, but that's besides the point.

Snix fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Nov 13, 2013

Wiseblood
Dec 31, 2000

And then a huge anti climax when you one shot them with a mind charged Ragnarok. (Which would technically be two shots I guess...)

EDIT: Honestly all the story related bosses (even the final boss) were way too easy in P3. The guardians were the only fights to pose any real challenge.

Wiseblood fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Nov 13, 2013

Iceclaw
Nov 4, 2009

Fa la lanky down dilly, motherfuckers.
That, and well, they never explain how do they really work (they run a website that's litterally "will kill peeps for food!"), how do they pull people in the Dark Hour, Chidori and Junpei's subplot is way too melodramatic, especially her death, and make Junpei even more annoying than he is already. Oh, and Takaya's gun of Plot Killing +5 is annoying.

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.

Iceclaw posted:

That's actually something that's missing to P3/P4: a fight against another persona group, with equal numbers on each side, each with their own movesets and elemental affinities.

The Answer kinda does this with the Arena? Though really any fight between Persona users would likely be stacked in favour of the side with a Wild Card user.

Also I really need to finish P3P at some point - is there any point in going after Elizabeth/Theo and Margaret aside from VIDEO GAME ACHIEVEMENTS and how difficult would it be? Most of the cast is sitting around the 80s last I remembered.

Kinu Nishimura
Apr 24, 2008

SICK LOOT!

Iceclaw posted:

Chidori and Junpei's subplot is way too melodramatic, especially her death, and make Junpei even more annoying than he is already.

This is the only point of contention I have with your statement. Chidori is kind of lame as a standalone, but her subplot was the reason Junpei was the only good character in vanilla P3 by virtue of actually being kind of a human being instead of a vehicle for the main character to constantly enable and/or Koromaru who is exempt from any and all judgment.

Snix
Aug 31, 2012

After the war of great troll, he only stands. He now returns to the legendary city to seek revenge on the death of his village. Episode 1: "Legendary School Girl Bubble Gum! Will Senpai Notice Me!?"
The only characters from P3's main cast I didn't like are Ken and Shinjiro. Yukari was alright, Akihiko, Agis, and Mitsuru were cool, Fuuka was okay, and Junpei was a lot of fun. Also, Koromaru is exempt from any and all judgment. But I felt that P4 had a better cast. They're a lot more memorable, at least.

Snix fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Nov 13, 2013

Kinu Nishimura
Apr 24, 2008

SICK LOOT!
Shinjiro is excellent in P3P, but P3P still didn't do Ken any favors.

Snix
Aug 31, 2012

After the war of great troll, he only stands. He now returns to the legendary city to seek revenge on the death of his village. Episode 1: "Legendary School Girl Bubble Gum! Will Senpai Notice Me!?"
Oh, the female route? P3P was the first game I played in the series, but I've still never played the female route. I need to do that sometime.

Kinu Nishimura
Apr 24, 2008

SICK LOOT!

Snix posted:

Oh, the female route? P3P was the first game I played in the series, but I've still never played the female route. I need to do that sometime.

You should. Most of the Social Links in the female route aren't horrible people. (Losing out on Maya is a shame, but still.)

Neurion
Jun 3, 2013

The musical fruit
The more you eat
The more you hoot

In a break from character-chat, P4G really spoiled me as my first SMT game. Being able to pick skills when fusing in Golden and then going on to play Nocturne made for frustrating times. The ability to warp out of a dungeon and then return to the same floor after getting SP healing from the fox also spoiled me heavily. Now almost all of my demons have Mana Refill and Mana Drain so I can spam magic skills to my heart's content like I did in the late-game of P4G.

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

I'm really happy I played through P3P before P4G came out.

Also, in Persona 5 news-

quote:

The site http://persona5.jp/[1] , which was registered by Atlus a while ago, just changed from a placeholder page to "site forbidden."
http://i.imgur.com/Letrkpc.png [2] ,
Looks like something might be happening.

Hopefully it has something to do with this http://p-ch.jp/

Nessa
Dec 15, 2008

Snix posted:

Oh, the female route? P3P was the first game I played in the series, but I've still never played the female route. I need to do that sometime.

You should. It's better in every single way. You actually have social links with your party members and can date the boys. Date Akihiko.

Crunchsnack
Jul 14, 2013

Any good news? :)

Crunchsnack fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Nov 18, 2013

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Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Playing through this but unclear on something; how exactly do you get the tag team attacks to happen once you get the ability to have everyone in your party gang attack a enemy? Like Yukiko and Chies is called Rising Dragon or something.

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