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FCKGW
May 21, 2006

I believe Brother is the go-to brand for personal laser printers. They even have a handy Mavericks support chart on their site.

http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/os/macintosh.html

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BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm
Hmm, thanks. Brother HL-2230 it is.

NecessaryEvil
Aug 10, 2006
Professional Slacker
Is there a lottery on the MBPr? Finally got mine, and this time FedEx hasn't dented anything. Looks like I have the Samsung panel, and Samsung SSD. Anything else I should look for?

serebralassazin
Feb 20, 2004
I wish I had something clever to say.
I have had two brother laser printers that I have used over the years with different versions of OS X. They're pretty hassle free.

Animal
Apr 8, 2003

How do I check if I have LG or Samsung panel, or what brand my SSD is? New rMBP 15" w/ 750m.

Thauros
Jan 29, 2003

For the SSD, just check Storage under System Information.

If the model is designated as a Apple SSD SM****** it's a Samsung, TS****** if it's a Toshiba.

NecessaryEvil
Aug 10, 2006
Professional Slacker

Animal posted:

How do I check if I have LG or Samsung panel, or what brand my SSD is? New rMBP 15" w/ 750m.

In Terminal, type this: ioreg -lw0 | grep "EDID" | sed "/[^<]*</s///" | xxd -p -r | strings -6

You may have an additional download for the command line tools, I did.

Xabi
Jan 21, 2006

Inventor of the Marmite pasty
I'm picking up a new MacBook today. What's the best way of copying stuff over from the old one? I just wanna get some of the old stuff (itunes and some other stuff). Just copy over the network? Also, is there something I should specifically remember to copy, that I might have forgotten now?

My PIN is 4826
Aug 30, 2003

Xabi posted:

I'm picking up a new MacBook today. What's the best way of copying stuff over from the old one? I just wanna get some of the old stuff (itunes and some other stuff). Just copy over the network? Also, is there something I should specifically remember to copy, that I might have forgotten now?

If you're buying a thunderbolt to Ethernet cable anyway, connecting via a cable (no router) is pretty drat fast. Else, an external hard drive, perhaps?

eames
May 9, 2009

Xabi posted:

I'm picking up a new MacBook today. What's the best way of copying stuff over from the old one? I just wanna get some of the old stuff (itunes and some other stuff). Just copy over the network? Also, is there something I should specifically remember to copy, that I might have forgotten now?

That depends entirely on the model of your old Macbook.
If your old one has Thunderbolt and Mavericks, the fastest way is a Thunderbolt cable for 10 Gbit/s networking.
Otherwise go with that "My PIN is 4826" said or restore from an external Time Machine backup if you have one.

Xabi
Jan 21, 2006

Inventor of the Marmite pasty
It's an early 2011 MacBook Pro with Mavericks. I've never used Time Machine and tbf I'm not really sure how it works. But I've mainly used a desktop computer for storing the most important stuff, so I bet (hope) I've got the precious things covered. I was thinking more about stuff you might forget you need, such as... I don't know, which is why I'm asking. iCloud will probably fix bookmarks etc, so I'm not sure if there's more I need to think about. I'm getting the rMBP with a 256 SSD, while my old MacBook has a 320gb and pretty much filled to the brim. A straight copy is thus not possible anyway.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Xabi posted:

I'm picking up a new MacBook today. What's the best way of copying stuff over from the old one? I just wanna get some of the old stuff (itunes and some other stuff). Just copy over the network? Also, is there something I should specifically remember to copy, that I might have forgotten now?

Copy everything from your external backup drive that you're already using to protect yourself from data loss. Right?

Xabi
Jan 21, 2006

Inventor of the Marmite pasty
I don't have one, but I could of course just borrow one. What I rather meant was that the Mac OS file structure is still somewhat confusing to me, as I'm used to the C: format of Windows, where I'd instantly know where everything is. It took me a while, but I think I finally got the Mac OS system. Then, there was an OS update some while back, where the "Mac C:" folder disappeared from Finder. I think I've got everything covered, I just wanted to make sure that I'm getting all the stuff I want before I sell the old laptop and that there's not something "hidden" somewhere where I forgot to look.

The question might be confusing as well, now that I think about it...

Xabi fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Nov 12, 2013

eames
May 9, 2009

I think the best and fastest solution would be to buy a Thunderbolt cable, connect it to both machines and use the built in Mavericks transfer assistant (either during setup or in /Applications/Utilities).

But yeah, you should really get an external drive for backups and use it from time to time. You’ll need it sooner or later.

Sonic Dude
May 6, 2009

Xabi posted:

I don't have one, but I could of course just borrow one. What I rather meant was that the Mac OS file structure is still somewhat confusing to me, as I'm used to the C: format of Windows, where I'd instantly know where everything is. It took me a while, but I think I finally got the Mac OS system. Then, there was an OS update some while back, where the "Mac C:" folder disappeared from Finder. I think I've got everything covered, I just wanted to make sure that I'm getting all the stuff I want before I sell the old laptop and that there's not something "hidden" somewhere where I forgot to look.

The question might be confusing as well, now that I think about it...

I guess I'm not sure where the confusion lies. In Finder, choosing Go -> Computer is basically the same as Start -> My Computer. From there you have the computer's hard drive, which is exactly the same as the C drive on a PC. The folder structure is a little different therein, but it should all make sense if you've been using a PC for a while (apps are in Applications, user data is in Users, etc.).

Choadmaster
Oct 7, 2004

I don't care how snug they fit, you're nuts!
I would guess he's confused because at some point instead of new Finder windows opening with his home folder (or maybe the root of his drive) it's opening to "all my files" now. I really hate that poo poo, because it confuses the hell out of some people ("Where's my stuff? I don't have my folders!"). As a bonus I believe Apple even removed the home folder from the sidebar.

Xabi, do as Sonic Dude said and explore the file structure. It's fairly straightforward. At the root of your drive ("/") you'll find:

/Applications/
/Library/
/System/
/Users/

The first is your system-wide applications folder. It's where applications go. It's also where the "Applications" shortcut in the Finder sidebar takes you to. 99% of apps can be uninstalled simply by deleting them from there (the exception being apps that require an installer/uninstalled because they put things in your system folders, take Little Snitch for example). By the same token most can be copied to another computer just as easily (you may have to re-enter serial numbers, and app settings are stored elsewhere - to be described later).

The next two are system folders that you can safely ignore.

The last one holds data for all the users on your computer. Open it and you will see a folder for each user, and a "Shared" folder:

/Users/yourusername/
/Users/Shared/

Don't worry about Shared. Open the one with your username. That's your home folder (aka "~/"), and it contains EVERYTHING you care about that isn't in the Applications folder. It's possibly also in your Finder sidebar. If it isn't, I'd put it there (go to Finder-> Preferences in the main menu) because, as I said, it's where everything is - you probably also want to set it as the default folder for new windows instead of "All My Files". I'm guessing this is what you were used to seeing before All My Files took over.

In your home folder, you will see these familiar folders:

~/Desktop/
~/Documents/
~/Music/
~/Pictures/

...and a few more, but I'm on an iPad right now and I can't remember every detail. All your data is somewhere in these folders.

One caveat: There is a hidden folder that contains all your application settings and stuff of that nature: ~/Library/

To get there, open the Go menu and hold down the Option key. You will see Library pop up in the list. Explore it if you like (~/Library/Application Support/ and ~/Library/Preferences/ are where most of the interesting stuff is, but sandboxed apps have their own mess in ~/Library/Containers/) but really, I'd not mess with any of it unless you know what you're doing.



Easiest way to do a migration is using Migration Assistant like other people described (either from a time machine backup or direct from your old MacBook), but the fact that you're moving to a smaller drive is a problem. Hard to give specific advice without knowing what's taking up your space (strangely you don't seem to concerned about losing whatever it is).

CygnusTM
Oct 11, 2002

Xabi posted:

I don't have one, but I could of course just borrow one. What I rather meant was that the Mac OS file structure is still somewhat confusing to me, as I'm used to the C: format of Windows, where I'd instantly know where everything is.

First, don't borrow one. Buy one, and start doing regular Time Machine backups. You will appreciate this one day. I can not emphasize this enough.

Are you interested in the file structure so you know what to backup/transfer? If so, don't worry about it. Time Machine or Migration Assistant will handle that for you.

mayodreams
Jul 4, 2003


Hello darkness,
my old friend

CygnusTM posted:

First, don't borrow one. Buy one, and start doing regular Time Machine backups. You will appreciate this one day. I can not emphasize this enough.

Are you interested in the file structure so you know what to backup/transfer? If so, don't worry about it. Time Machine or Migration Assistant will handle that for you.

Going to echo this. People who have a cavalier attitude towards backing up their data have never lost it before.

Pro Tip: data recovery costs WAY more than an external hard drive, and doesn't always work.

comper
Jun 22, 2006
My mom says I'm cool.

mayodreams posted:

Going to echo this. People who have a cavalier attitude towards backing up their data have never lost it before.

Pro Tip: data recovery costs WAY more than an external hard drive, and doesn't always work.

Not to mention time-consuming.

Choadmaster
Oct 7, 2004

I don't care how snug they fit, you're nuts!

CygnusTM posted:

Are you interested in the file structure so you know what to backup/transfer? If so, don't worry about it. Time Machine or Migration Assistant will handle that for you.

He's moving to a smaller drive that can't fit all his stuff. He has no choice but to understand where his poo poo is so he can pick and choose (or better yet, pick and delete, until he's removed enough porn unnecessary files that he can do a migration to the smaller drive).

Thauros
Jan 29, 2003

NecessaryEvil posted:

In Terminal, type this: ioreg -lw0 | grep "EDID" | sed "/[^<]*</s///" | xxd -p -r | strings -6

You may have an additional download for the command line tools, I did.

I found that on another site a couple days ago when I was looking into it myself, but even with the additional command line utilities installed it just returns
code:
@.`0 6
Color LCD
with no additional information.

Screen seems to be excellent quality regardless of manufacturer, so I guess I shouldn't really care.

kuskus
Oct 20, 2007

I've been booting my work iMac (2012 27" 3.4GHz i7, 32GB) off of an SSD via the Seagate GoFlex Thunderbolt adapter and it's been a dream. I get maybe 350MB/s instead of the usual 90MB/s. Zero hiccups.

...but I'd like to get ~600MB/s. I ordered another SanDisk Ultra Plus 256GB ($156) and since I have an extra OWC enclosure that can RAID 2 drives, I'm scheming on doing this on Thursday:

mayodreams
Jul 4, 2003


Hello darkness,
my old friend

kuskus posted:

...but I'd like to get ~600MB/s. I ordered another SanDisk Ultra Plus 256GB ($156) and since I have an extra OWC enclosure that can RAID 2 drives, I'm scheming on doing this on Thursday:

Doing a RAID0 on your boot volume is an exceptionably bad idea. I like to call it RAID roulette where your data is what catches the bullet in the bits.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

Just a heads up that Best Buy has this stuff on sale during Black Friday
  • Macbook Pro Retina 4GB $200 off
  • All 15" rMBP $150 off
  • All Macbook Airs $150 off
  • iMac 21.5 $200 off

FCKGW fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Nov 12, 2013

Civil
Apr 21, 2003

Do you see this? This means "Have a nice day".

FCKGW posted:

Just a heads up that Best Buy has this stuff on sale during Black Friday
  • Macbook Pro Retina 4GB $200 off
  • All 15" rMBP $150 off
  • All Macbook Airs $150 off
  • iMac 21.5 $200 off

That's pretty nice. I was under the assumption that Apple was able to price fix at the retailer level so you'd get the same price no matter where you bought.

I guess not?

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Civil posted:

That's pretty nice. I was under the assumption that Apple was able to price fix at the retailer level so you'd get the same price no matter where you bought.

I guess not?

Places like Mac Mall, Microcenter, Best Buy, and J&R Electronics almost always have Macs for a discount from Apple.com prices.

Thauros posted:

I found that on another site a couple days ago when I was looking into it myself, but even with the additional command line utilities installed it just returns
code:
@.`0 6
Color LCD
with no additional information.

Screen seems to be excellent quality regardless of manufacturer, so I guess I shouldn't really care.

They made it harder to tell the manufacturer because MacRumors people will sit there and open 6 MacBook Pros in a row to make sure they get a Samsung screen.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

Civil posted:

That's pretty nice. I was under the assumption that Apple was able to price fix at the retailer level so you'd get the same price no matter where you bought.

I guess not?

I think Apple loosened those restrictions a few years ago.

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

kuskus posted:

...but I'd like to get ~600MB/s. I ordered another SanDisk Ultra Plus 256GB ($156) and since I have an extra OWC enclosure that can RAID 2 drives, I'm scheming on doing this on Thursday:


Hate to say it but you will probably be disappointed. Lots of those dual drive SATA RAID chipsets were designed around a performance target of 2 HDDs and might have difficulty managing to do even 1 SSD worth of throughput.

You might want to consider a second seagate thunderbolt adapter with OS X software RAID 0, which is just as fast as HW RAID 0 and doesn't have significant CPU overhead.

brap
Aug 23, 2004

Grimey Drawer

FCKGW posted:

Just a heads up that Best Buy has this stuff on sale during Black Friday
  • Macbook Pro Retina 4GB $200 off
  • All 15" rMBP $150 off
  • All Macbook Airs $150 off
  • iMac 21.5 $200 off

Does it stack with a student discount?

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Yea, if you want obscene performance from external SSD's you're going to want to look at something from Pegasus like their tiny J2 or R4/R6 towers

eddiewalker
Apr 28, 2004

Arrrr ye landlubber
How long should my battery be lasting on my 2012 MB Air sitting closed and unplugged? It's getting a lot less attention now that I've got a new iPad. It seems like it's draining 15-25% per day, which seems extreme, since Power Nap shouldn't happen unplugged.

edit: Could it be the little Sandisk Fit thumb drive I keep plugged in all the time? I've had it in for a year, but this is the first time I've been leaving the computer in standby for a long time.

eddiewalker fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Nov 13, 2013

kuskus
Oct 20, 2007

mayodreams posted:

Doing a RAID0 on your boot volume is an exceptionably bad idea. I like to call it RAID roulette where your data is what catches the bullet in the bits.

BobHoward posted:

You might want to consider a second seagate thunderbolt adapter with OS X software RAID 0, which is just as fast as HW RAID 0 and doesn't have significant CPU overhead.
Interesting. Thank you both. I'll look into OS X software RAID; I wonder if one can do this in disk utility as I want one single drive for boot, apps, After Effects cache and Cinema 4D Turbulence FD rendering. It was more about "maximum excite- I have extra hardware sitting dormant" than logic. As a safety, the internal HDD of the iMac is fine to boot from should externals fail.

Edit: I already have a second display on Thunderbolt port 2, which I need. At this point I'd have to add some kind of Thunderbolt hub into the equation, but my main question is with software RAID 0, could I make use of two simultaneous Thunderbolt channels, i.e. is this a shortcut to getting a possible 20Gbps? I'd guess not, but even so those budget SSDs could possibly do their parts in doing simultaneous read/writes at a combined ~500-600Mbps to saturate the total TB hardware I'm guessing.

kuskus fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Nov 13, 2013

Wheel! Of! 4chan!
Nov 28, 2007
The voice is white, erasing mine

eddiewalker posted:

How long should my battery be lasting on my 2012 MB Air sitting closed and unplugged? It's getting a lot less attention now that I've got a new iPad. It seems like it's draining 15-25% per day, which seems extreme, since Power Nap shouldn't happen unplugged.

edit: Could it be the little Sandisk Fit thumb drive I keep plugged in all the time? I've had it in for a year, but this is the first time I've been leaving the computer in standby for a long time.

That's exactly it, having USB devices plugged prevent the computer from going into deep sleep.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

eames posted:

That depends entirely on the model of your old Macbook.
If your old one has Thunderbolt and Mavericks, the fastest way is a Thunderbolt cable for 10 Gbit/s networking.
Otherwise go with that "My PIN is 4826" said or restore from an external Time Machine backup if you have one.

Thunderbolt networking is trash.
Target Disk Mode should be fine though.

mayodreams posted:

Doing a RAID0 on your boot volume is an exceptionably bad idea. I like to call it RAID roulette where your data is what catches the bullet in the bits.

As long as you have your boot volume backed up then who cares?
Besides, a 2x 256GB RAID-0 is basically the same risk as a single 512GB SSD.

mayodreams
Jul 4, 2003


Hello darkness,
my old friend

~Coxy posted:

As long as you have your boot volume backed up then who cares?
Besides, a 2x 256GB RAID-0 is basically the same risk as a single 512GB SSD.

Sure, you could keep your volume backed up, but why risk a failure? I think you will have a hard time finding anyone who would advocate using RAID0 for a boot volume. Because with SSDs, the speed change is marginal in normal desktop usage. If you are looking to do more pro workflows, then you have the wrong computer to start with.

Using a low rent RAID device is hardly the same as using a purpose built commercial controller. Good enterprise level raid controllers start at more than the cost of a 256GB SSD. If you want stupid fast, get one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0AJ1344529

and a PCI-E thunderbolt enclosure: http://www.sonnettech.com/product/echoexpressiii.html

Although, I have no idea if that would boot OS X, but it is WAY faster than a RAID0 of consumer grade SSDs.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

fleshweasel posted:

Does it stack with a student discount?

It doesn't say either way but usually Black Friday is a very restrictive day regarding coupons and discounts.

Here's their ad: http://blackfriday.bestbuy.com

Guni
Mar 11, 2010
If you're so worried about speed, why not pick up something like an 840PRO?

japtor
Oct 28, 2005
Yeah I'd just get a single 500GB 840, looks like even the lower end Evo is rated for over 500MBps read/write. Instead of dealing with more stuff and more points of failure (two drives, enclosure, HW or SW RAID, etc) you just swap drives. Assuming your adapter even supports 6Gbps at least. I think the older ones didn't but I guess the one you have does, going by your "maybe 350MB/s"?

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

kuskus posted:

Interesting. Thank you both. I'll look into OS X software RAID; I wonder if one can do this in disk utility as I want one single drive for boot, apps, After Effects cache and Cinema 4D Turbulence FD rendering.

Yes, you set it up in Disk Utility, and yes, you can boot from it. You'll need to migrate your OS install to another disk temporarily while you set up the RAID. It can't convert an existing volume to RAID on-line, you need to repartition. (Or at least that's how it was last time I did it; maybe with the new LVM stuff in 10.7 onwards you can do live conversions. But I wouldn't count on it.)

quote:

It was more about "maximum excite- I have extra hardware sitting dormant" than logic. As a safety, the internal HDD of the iMac is fine to boot from should externals fail.

Yeah, I wouldn't be too afraid of booting a RAID 0 if that's your best way of getting performance without spending a ton. Technically your risk of a failure doubles, but if you're backing up (and you should be anyways) it's fine. I speak from experience: I used to boot from RAID-0 WD Raptors in my Mac Pro, and one day one of them up and died. I removed the Raptors, put in a spare HDD, and restored my last backup to it. Took a couple of hours and it was like nothing had ever happened, except the machine got a bit slower since the boot volume wasn't a RAID of Raptors any more. If you use Time Machine you don't even have to worry about losing more than an hour or so of work.

quote:

Edit: I already have a second display on Thunderbolt port 2, which I need. At this point I'd have to add some kind of Thunderbolt hub into the equation, but my main question is with software RAID 0, could I make use of two simultaneous Thunderbolt channels, i.e. is this a shortcut to getting a possible 20Gbps? I'd guess not, but even so those budget SSDs could possibly do their parts in doing simultaneous read/writes at a combined ~500-600Mbps to saturate the total TB hardware I'm guessing.

Welp, after saying RAID 0 is all right, now I have to tell you that there is no such thing as a Thunderbolt hub (at least not on the market). You're hosed if the Seagate adapter doesn't have a second port for daisy chaining, which I believe is true. That means a faster single SSD is your only route unless you want to blow nearly $400 on a Promise J4 or some other big TB RAID enclosure (which of course is more than a fast SSD would cost).

Also, yes, you could make a >10Gbps disk with a RAID 0 of two Thunderbolt disks connected to two Thunderbolt ports. The deal with RAID 0 is that it's trivial. You know how disks are block devices? RAID 0 of 2 drives is just "okay we're going to make a virtual RAID disk out of these physical disks, so put the odd numbered blocks on physical disk #1 and the even numbered blocks on #2". That's it. No checksumming, no complicated process to figure out what goes where. The overhead's so low that it hardly matters whether you do it in software or hardware.

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Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.
My brand new iMac seems to be running alarmingly hot in Windows and I hardly ever hear the fans spin up. Some Googling around revealed a program called MacFan, which is no longer being updated and doesn't seem to work with my Mac's model, and something called Lubbo's, which seems to be only for MacBooks. Does anybody know of something else?

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