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Quick question: whats the general etiquette for when you have a phone interview, but the interviewer never calls? I've sent an email to my recruiter letting them know what's up, but I can't really afford to push everything back in my schedule today to accommodate someone running half an hour (and counting) late.  I'm worried about giving up and wandering off to do other things, only to get a call in the middle of a store or something.
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Dad Jokes posted:Quick question: whats the general etiquette for when you have a phone interview, but the interviewer never calls? I've sent an email to my recruiter letting them know what's up, but I can't really afford to push everything back in my schedule today to accommodate someone running half an hour (and counting) late.
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Nov 12, 2013 00:12
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Redoing my resume, but I just declared a minor last semester. What's a good way to write a minor in your education section? I have: Bachelor of Science in Media and Information Technology Minor in Studio Art University of whatever GPA: ### I don't know where to put my minor. e: I also have this part in my resume. Should I explain that I know how to use these programs, or is just putting them in their own section enough? 
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Nov 12, 2013 00:29
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Success story! After almost 19 months of unemployment/underemployment I finally got a job. I have to say, the tips provided in this thread were invaluable. Before I changed to an achievements based resume, I sent out at least 5 resumes a week and got exactly 2 calls and 1 interview. After I was getting calls all the time and averaged 1 interview a week. Even after that, the way I got my job is hearing about a job fair a local company was doing while working my part-time delivery job. Be friendly to everyone you meet, you never know! Went in and got a job that definitely fits my career level. Keep your heads up, I was about ready to give up. Also watch for those random opportunities. I would have never thought a random job fair at a company I delivered food to would ever lead to a management job.
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Nov 12, 2013 00:44
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Misogynist posted:They probably just forgot or got sidetracked by some urgent issue, it's happened to me tons of times. Send a friendly reminder email asking to reschedule. Exactly this. Often they're hiring because the people they have are overloaded as poo poo. I have had two phone interview this week from the same company and both got rescheduled at least once.
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Nov 12, 2013 04:32
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I couldn't find a better place to post this, so I figured I'd ask here: What do you do to vet a company you're considering working for? They aren't on Glassdoor, so I googled the company name followed by "Scam", "Fraud" and "rear end in a top hat" and nothing came up, which is a decent sign. Still, it's for an HR job dealing with recruiters at a recruiting agency, so I'm already a bit skeptical. Are there any other good methods to check out places before accidentally getting hired by some place very deceptive. I have a job right now, and while I'm probably getting fired soon, I don't want to leave and end up with nothing.
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Nov 12, 2013 04:35
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I have a question that I have kind of an answer to (well, several answers), but your input would be greatly appreciated. I am an adult educator, and right now I am looking for a job as an ABE/GED teacher. I have had some experience with this, as well as related experience. I also have a Master's Degree, and this is kind of a niche field. My problem with my resume is I want to find ways to figure out ways to highlight soft skills (because being a teacher is a series of soft skills) that doesn't sound like an OKCupid profile. If I had a more "technical" job, this would be easy. Either someone knows Perl or material science or has a CDL, or they don't. And sure, people can lie about those things, but they can't throw in vague generalizations. For example, I might want to point out that I am "patient with students", "employ a variety of teaching strategies" and "have dealt with a multicultural student body" or even something more vague like "personable and hands-on with students"...but how do I phrase these things in a way that won't make someone just think I am spouting out feel-good points?
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Nov 12, 2013 05:28
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Grump posted:Redoing my resume, but I just declared a minor last semester. What's a good way to write a minor in your education section? How you have it is fine, if the minor's relevant to the position. If not, nobody's going to care that you did a minor. Pretty much nobody's going to care about your GPA, either, so I'd leave it off unless it's specifically requested or it's extremely high, your major is related to the job, and you have no relevant work experience for it. glowing-fish posted:I have a question that I have kind of an answer to (well, several answers), but your input would be greatly appreciated. Unless the resumes for teaching are different than most jobs, show, don't tell. List accomplishments that demonstrate these traits. So, instead of saying that you're patient with students, maybe say that you've done X, Y, and Z with students that needed extra help. Things like that. Highlight your soft skills in terms of situations where you used them.
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Cross-posting this from the "entry-level job" thread, as that hasn't garnered any responses and the thread seems to be dead in general. This thread is probably a little more appropriate anyway, since it's not quite an entry-level job for me. The organization mentioned below is a government agency (a laboratory, but the position is an accountant position), so I have also posted this question in the federal government jobs thread, but I'm not sure if this question is general enough that it would be appropriate here, instead: I finished school a few months ago, and have applied for several "real" jobs since then, without much luck. I've just recently found the first opening at an organization that I would really want to work for, doing a job that I really want to do. I haven't been an active job-searcher in almost 9 years now (I've had two jobs in that time, but the second job was a straight offer, so no sort of active job-searching was required), and it seems that in the interim, the majority of companies have switched to the same stock software suite of online application software. It's the same everywhere I go... create an account, upload a resume and cover letter, answer a bunch of questions and then wait to hear back. I've followed this same process on several websites, only to see my application status go from "resume received" to "position filled". Those were all better jobs than I have now, but nothing was particularly special about them, they were kind of "take it or leave it" jobs... meaning, sure, I'd love to work there, but pretty much anything else would be just as good too. Since this most recent job that I've applied for is one that I really want, I'm wondering what the general consensus on following-up is on an application for this type of application process. As far as I can tell, they don't have any contact information for the hiring staff available publicly, and the idea is supposed to be that you to monitor your application status through your account on the website, leaving it fully out of your hands. Right now, my resume is still at "resume received" status (and has been since my application this past Wednesday), is there anything I can do to convey my enthusiasm for this position and push my resume to the top of the figurative pile? Or am I destined to just sit and wait, at the mercy of the hiring staff?
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I got the job I have now by doing an online process that you have described. I'm working for a state university. Since having that job I have been on the hiring end. We post openings for jobs that are not quite entry-level, but if no one with relevant experience applies, we will hire someone who has tangential experience that we think will learn fast. One opening usually gets around 80 applicants, even though the posting is rarely more than a week. Our unit head then sifts through and makes a shortlist. The shortlist is generally going to be the people with actual experience; if five people who applied have experience in the field, and you don't, then there's no real reason they will consider you. If no one has real experience, and you and others have tangential experience (or if you have real experience and it's not quite as good as other people), then tossing out a followup email may be effective. I would find the website and try to get a person who is actually going to be reviewing applications. It's pretty important that you find the right person: If you find someone too high on the chain, they are more likely to just ignore your email and never respond, because someone one step too high up probably is not looking through anything him or herself and is too busy to bother with you. If you go "too low" on the chain, you're more likely to get someone who will at least have the time to read your email and maybe mention you if they are asked what they think. If you looked at my unit's staff page, you would probably end up emailing my supervisor, which would be okay, but she more or less delegates a lot to me and my co-workers, and someone emailing me to show they were really interested might be enough to make me recommend to my supervisor that we throw an extra person on the shortlist or to prefer someone slightly above another who didn't bother to email us. Interviewing takes a lot of time, so we always try to only call in three or four people for interviews, saying that if they all turn out bad, we could always call more people in later (and this almost never happens). We unfortunately do tend to filter out overqualified people or people who live further away unless they are significantly better than any other candidate, and I think sending in a personalized email can do a lot to offset some of the "automatic filtering" that goes on. Cover letters are super important on those type of online applications, and I tend to spend 90% of my time carefully considering the cover letter and maybe 10% of the time looking at the resume. All qualifications being equal, anyone who has clearly spent time researching what we specifically do, and anyone who reflects that in their cover letter tends to shoot to the top of our list. People who have definitely just copy/pasted stuff and rushed through their cover letters, we tend to not interview.
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First off, thanks to regular posters here who keep on dispensing such valuable advice. This thread was a good resource for helping me to get my resume where it is today. However, right now I am hitting a wall. I think that I got rid of all the fluff and state pretty clearly what I do and what I have done. The problem is that I'm having trouble listing my results. I did a lot of things, but I don't know the impact of my actions in terms of percentage gain or improvement in most cases. I started my own company two years ago and really spent the whole time developing my services, writing material, doing patent stuff, etc... I can't say that I got 15% growth or whatever cause I haven't made a dime, I've only built some relationships with people who are helping me to pilot things. I've attached a copy of my resume so you can see what I mean. Do you think there are any points that really stand out as needing results listed or do you think this resume is worth a shot? Of course, any feedback on the resume as a whole would be appreciated. My goal is to get an internship so I can finish my graduate program, but then stay on cause I don't want to start a business anymore. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B82aTzReF7aoaXdDZnFIVVZDamc/edit?usp=sharing (Sorry for the space between the bullets. They got messed up when uploading to Drive and I can't fix them)
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Nov 12, 2013 18:06
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So is there a preferred time to call and inquire about the status of my application? There were a couple of jobs that I really wanted that I applied to on Friday, and I saw on linkedin that the company's HR dept was kicking around my profile. Is it too early to be calling this afternoon? e: might as well toss this out there too. I've been trying to get my foot in the door at some medical/pharma copywriting jobs too. My friend has an in at a place she works at, but right now I am stumped because I have zero medical background. It's kind of hard to make a selling point out of 'I studied psychology for three semesters before changing majors' or 'I want to create a more informed consumer' for pharma writing that is mostly facing doctors... THE MACHO MAN fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Nov 12, 2013 |
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Nov 12, 2013 19:18
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So after following this thread for the last month and revising my resume two times. I've started to get some results in the last week and this week. I did my second interview today, it ended in him asking for references. The job was posted 3 weeks ago and the online listing has expired so I think they're looking to close in. To be honest I don't even think there's any other candidates in the running with me as last week when I did my first interview, I was told it should take about two weeks, and a second interview ended being scheduled for today end of last week. Hiring salary was 50-60k, I said I was looking around 60-65k but I'm pretty sure we can get that worked out if I am the selected candidate. Tomorrow, I have another interview with another employer and I have scheduled an interview for the 26th. All seems to be swell! Hopefully I'll be employed again soon!
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systran posted:I got the job I have now by doing an online process that you have described. I'm working for a state university. Cool - thank you for the insightful response! It definitely sounds like following up is something that I should do. I'm having a pretty difficult time finding the contact information of anyone relevant to this position on their website, but I did find an "HR Master" email address listed under "additional assistance" on the application section of the website. I'll be sending a follow up to that address, but I have to wonder if it will even make it to anyone pertinent. Any particular advice on locating the contact information of someone that may be more involved in the hiring process for this position? Also, I found it interesting what you said about the cover letter. I have to admit, I did kind of half-rear end the cover letters for some of the other positions at other companies that I've applied to, so even despite what I feel is a strong resume and good answers to the questions asked on the site during the interview process, that may be why I didn't make it to the next step in the hiring process. I did put a lot of thought and effort into the cover letter for this position though, so here's hoping...
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I'm guessing it varies a lot based on the type of job. For this job and for jobs I apply for, even though it's all the faceless HR wall that you apply through, it still lists the name of the department that you are working in. I can always just google that or browse through the university's website to find the "our staff" type page and make an educated guess at who is doing what on the hiring process. If it's a larger company and the HR people are entirely doing the hiring, it could be a lot more difficult to reach the relevant person, but that also means that it would be pretty hard to do any damage through emailing the wrong person. With all this said, I did this approach applying to two jobs recently and both turned me down. On one of them, the woman I emailed did respond to me with a person message that included a thank you and, "We will contact you if needed." For the second job the person I emailed never replied at all. I'm guessing I emailed someone too high up on the totem pole in the second case. If the ONLY thing you can find are HR people, it's probably still worth throwing out an email, but it's also a lot less likely it will do anything at all.
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Nov 13, 2013 00:37
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Jewce posted:First off, thanks to regular posters here who keep on dispensing such valuable advice. This thread was a good resource for helping me to get my resume where it is today. However, right now I am hitting a wall. You don't have 2 pages worth of experience, trim it to 1. Leave off skills and interests. Your summary paragraph is vacuous and content-free. I read it 4 times and still can't articulate what you actually want to do. If you want to be an I/O consultant, say that. If you want to do org change, say that. You also don't need to include info on what the organizations do. Also, "wrote a test" and "applied for a patent" are not accomplishments. These are job duties dressed-up. Who have you licensed the assessment to? How many people have taken it? What were the results of your pilot studies? How have actual clients used this assessment to meet business goals? That's the kind of thing you should be talking about. The research analyst stuff is... better? This is still reading like a list of job duties to me more than anything interest accomplishment-wise, except for the first bullet. Reading this resume honestly bores me and doesn't get me excited about what you can contribute. It's just like "yeah, you sure were a research assistant". Not to be harsh here, just trying to be real -- as a hiring manager, this is what I think.
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I'm in academia, and switch tracks to software. I'd love it if someone could give my resume a critique. Thank you! Note: The Dropbox viewer kind of messes up the formatting. It all fits on one page. edit: I'm especially concerned about just linking my personal page. I've developed a few web applications, but since I just did them for fun they don't show up on my resume. It'd be nice to have some proof on there that I understand RESTful programming etc, but I don't want to clutter it or look dumb. Maybe this is something that should go in the cover letter? e2: removed resume Achmed Jones fucked around with this message at 21:45 on May 24, 2014 |
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Nov 13, 2013 04:13
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Bisty Q. posted:You don't have 2 pages worth of experience, trim it to 1. Leave off skills and interests. Your summary paragraph is vacuous and content-free. I read it 4 times and still can't articulate what you actually want to do. If you want to be an I/O consultant, say that. If you want to do org change, say that. Ouch, that hurts. I appreciate it though and I definitely see where you are coming from. I am a bit discouraged that I only come off as a research assistant. Sure, I was doing just that for a number of years, but it grew into much more. It's hard for me to separate out job duties and accomplishments. I mean, my job duties were to investigate the model and present what I found. I developed tests from the ground up, gathered initial data, made any changes, gathered more data, did the analysis, wrote it up, submitted for presentation, wrote my presentation and then presented. I did 2 or 3 studies a year and was the sole or first author of the presentations each time. My work improved the model I was working with and led to an opportunity for us to expand and use the model in organizations. Did you know all that went into "constructing a test" before you said it was just a job duty? I'm not trying to be a defensive jerk, just trying to see if maybe I need to add in more about the process somehow or if it doesn't matter all together. I am going to go through and cut it down by trying to condense some bullets into work and result. Like instead of saying - Performed data analysis on multiple studies for the Program in Psychiatry in the areas of bias and perception regarding expert witness and juries - Co-authored a peer-reviewed journal article published in the International Journal of Law and Psychiatry I will say - Performed data analysis on multiple studies for the Program in Psychiatry resulting in co-authoring a peer-reviewed journal article published in the International Journal of Law and Psychiatry Hopefully that will shorten a great deal and make it seem more like accomplishments instead of just duties. Thanks again for the feedback.
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Nov 13, 2013 16:04
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I have to fill out a formal "application for employment" for the company and bring it with me to the onsite interview and there's one section where it says "list all employment" I've had for the previous 7 years. I'm assuming this is standard procedure so I've got to ask: are they really saying all employment or allrelevant employment? Cause if it's the former then gently caress if I know the details (start and end date, supervisor contact, salary) of every job I've held in the past 7 years, which is conveniently from 18 and up for me. I've done several things at my college where I was paid with an actual paycheck/wages through the school for various organizations I participated in and such and I'm not sure at what point they started paying me vs. me just volunteering. Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Nov 13, 2013 |
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Nov 13, 2013 18:47
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Boris Galerkin posted:I have to fill out a formal "application for employment" for the company and bring it with me to the onsite interview and there's one section where it says "list all employment" I've had for the previous 7 years. I'm assuming this is standard procedure so I've got to ask: are they really saying all employment or allrelevant employment? Is this part of a security clearance process? If so, include every little things you've done in those years, but you can be fuzzy on the date, or list the department's public number as a reference. If it's an employement thing heh... I'd go for relevant myself, as long as there is continuous employment or studying going on.
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Nov 13, 2013 18:53
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Question! I applied through linkedin for a position. Then, during my regular ol' recruiter site trolling I saw another position in the area but they did not say what company because it's a recruiter. Put in interest for that, too. Obviously, I found out that they're the same position when the recruiter called me later that day. Once the recruiter named off more details I did tell them that I submitted a resume to it through linkedin. The recruiter said they're going to recommend me for it as well. Am I boned once the company realizes I kind of applied twice?
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Yes, your revised bullet is much more on target with what it should be. I'm aware of what goes into constructing a test, and it would be far more compelling if you could talk about why you did it and who is using it; even if you just tie it into having articles published. You really want to focus on "What can you do for me?" as the question to answer. Being able to have every bullet point be a high-impact statement of something awesome matters a lot.
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Nov 15, 2013 01:48
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When employers call references, what do they actually talk about?
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lol internet. posted:When employers call references, what do they actually talk about?
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I revised my resume according to the OP and personally I think it looks a lot better. I removed my GPA(which was 3.1), removed jobs unrelated to the position I'm applying, moved my education below my experience, and provided achievements instead of just listing my responsibilities. What I still don't get is the cover letter. I get so many contradicting tips I don't know which one to follow. Should I put my contact info? If yes, on the top or on the bottom? And how long should the cover letter be? Some say one paragraph, some say three.
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Revalis Enai posted:I revised my resume according to the OP and personally I think it looks a lot better. I removed my GPA(which was 3.1), removed jobs unrelated to the position I'm applying, moved my education below my experience, and provided achievements instead of just listing my responsibilities. Neither of those things really matter. Put the contact info or don't. Make it one paragraph or 3. Doesn't particularly matter. What matters is that your cover letter provides additional context around why you want that job and how you fit the major qualifications. That's what really provides impact there. Don't make your cover letter longer than a page and at least make sure your name is on it. Those are probably the only hard-and-fast rules.
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I'm waiting to hear back from two employers I interviewed with. One interview was four weeks ago. When I asked when they expected to make a decision during the interview, they only replied "soon". The other job, which I think I have a better chance of getting, I interviewed for two weeks ago. They were much more specific: I'd hear back, either way, last week (except I didn't). What to do now? Email, call, or continue to wait it out?
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I recently graduated in a health field with a very defined career path and lots of so-so jobs. I have been working at one that pays pretty well and has okay benefits with very little growth potential (there are people in my field who easily work essentially the same job for 20+ years with small salary bumps along the way). I took it because I needed money and wanted some time to search for a company I would like to work for. I'm looking to make a lateral move into product development, and have found an entry level position that I think would be a good fit for me, even if it is not strictly what my new degree has trained me for. A good analogy for the shift would be going from nursing to drug sales- a few overlapping skills and knowledge areas, and jobs that include similar levels of drive and dedication, but are ultimately different fields. Should I include my current job, which I have been at for an embarrassingly short period of time (2.5mos)? It is my first job out of school, and includes some skills that may be relevant that I also covered in my clinical internship, but many that are not. Would including the time at my job hurt more than it would help? Should I just use my tweaked graduation resume? Thanks for any advice!
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Dumb question when a company wants to give you a job offer, do they still tell you verbally? or do some just send an email? I actually can't even remember how my last couple places offered a job to me.
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lol internet. posted:Dumb question when a company wants to give you a job offer, do they still tell you verbally? or do some just send an email? I actually can't even remember how my last couple places offered a job to me. Every job offer I have received has been over the phone and in writing, I guess if they give it to you over the phone they know you are aware of the offer from that point on
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What are the rules for calling an HR department? Is it considered rude to ask if the job posting is still available? VVV Will do, thanks for the advice. I wasn't sure what the procedure was. Cardboard Fox fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Nov 19, 2013 |
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Nov 18, 2013 16:30
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I think pretty much every career page for companies these days asks people not to call. Just email them if you're unsure.
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So I just want to make sure, cover letters are actually supposed to be as formulaic as the OP? I always feel like my cover letters are really lovely, but I don't know how to improve them.
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^: That's just an example of something that will get read. You are free to enflower it if you'd like, but I wouldn't go crazy. People often post "I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO WRITE" so that is an idea.lol internet. posted:Dumb question when a company wants to give you a job offer, do they still tell you verbally? or do some just send an email? I actually can't even remember how my last couple places offered a job to me. They will always call you first.
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So I had my second interview last Tuesday and they requested my references in that interview. How long should I wait until I follow up with them? It's been 1 full week today.
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Have they called your references?
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FrozenVent posted:Have they called your references? I asked a couple of them and they have not yet.
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Achmed Jones posted:I'm in academia, and am considering applying for programming or systems administration positions if the academic job search doesn't go well. I'd love it if someone could give my resume a critique. Thank you! Here's a very basic critique. Remember, you can always create an "independent projects" section to highlight personal projects. Employers will treat these projects with respect if you do first. 
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Thanks, DustingDuvet! With respect to the dissertation research stuff, I'm not quite sure what to do about it. I am paid by the academic department to do this research (ie I'm on fellowship), which includes whatever programming I think is necessary to finish the project. It's an independent project - not part of a lab or anything - but in my field, nearly all academic research is independent in this sense. Does that need differentiation from the rest of the experience listed?
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Agreed heavily with DD's feedback on listing and how to list your portfolio. You should 100% absolutely include it. The rest of his (?) feedback is pretty good as well. Regarding your dissertation research, I'd still put it in an independent research section. Showing that you took the initiative to do something that's not part of your fellowship is a valuable distinction.
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