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Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Serialization on television is usually bad for ratings.

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Thwomp
Apr 10, 2003

BA-DUHHH

Grimey Drawer

Aphrodite posted:

Serialization on television is usually bad for ratings.

Unless you make it easily available on Netflix (see: Breaking Bad's ratings).

DivisionPost
Jun 28, 2006

Nobody likes you.
Everybody hates you.
You're gonna lose.

Smile, you fuck.

Thwomp posted:

Unless you make it easily available on Netflix (see: Breaking Bad's ratings).

Scandal, too: heavily serialized, did okay-at-best numbers during the seven-episode first season and was almost immediately put up on Netflix. Six or so episodes into the second season the show EXPLODED.

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

This is slightly veering away from Arrow, but I really do despise the myth that serialization = low ratings.

USA network pulls GREAT numbers for the majority of their shows, and most try to blend a slight serialized story with tightly paced procedural plots. And its incredible how well that formula works. Just spending seven or so minutes in a given forty minute episode on an ongoing thread generates online buzz and fan interest, PLUS the mystery of the week is usually strong too, since it doesn't have to fill every single minute of screentime.

I'd lose my drat mind if every television show tried to ape Sons of Anarchy/Scandal/Arrow's devotion to long-form storytelling, but bland procedurals aren't the ratings goldmine they used to be either.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

I don't watch most USA shows because they're just awful, but I did suffer through like 3 seasons of Burn Notice and you would be lucky to see 7 minutes of ongoing arc per season.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

Aphrodite posted:

Serialization on television is usually bad for ratings.

The Walking Dead

Narcissus1916 posted:

By contrast, even Agents of SHIELD's best episodes are basically passable monster-of-the-week plots. The show has a distressing lack of serialization or ANY ongoing plot whatsoever.

But here's the thing - the networks are full of fun and entertaining procedurals. But Agents of SHIELD has only delivered a few decent 40 minute plots, that only pop when the guest stars turn in great performances.

Do you even watch that show? Cause it sure don't sound like it.

Rarity fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Nov 13, 2013

Deakul
Apr 2, 2012

PAM PA RAM

PAM PAM PARAAAAM!

Rarity posted:



Do you even watch that show? Cause it sure don't sound like it.

Yeah, those would be the only parts of the post I really disagree about.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Rarity posted:

The Walking Dead

The Walking Dead defies all logic and patterns.

Slamhound
Mar 27, 2010

zoux posted:

I think Arrow is probably the best comic book TV show of all time. I mean, not a high bar, but it's miles ahead of 90's Flash or Mutant X or Smallville or whatever.
False...

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry

LA Spidey does have its own strange charm, I have to agree.

e X
Feb 23, 2013

cool but crude
While it's no contest that Arrow is a better show than Shield at a moment, comparing a series in its second season to a show that is only on its eighth episode in kind of unfair to the latter.

There are some legitimate concerns with the structure of AoS, given that it is bound into a much larger universe, were all the major stuff has to happen in the movies and thus the ability to really shake things up is somewhat limited, but complaining that characters are not as well developed is seriously a stupid complaint. We are not even at the halfway point of the season and so far literally every episode has somehow advanced their characterization or their relationships with each other.

Their is no guarantee that it will turn into a great show in the end, but condemning it from the get-go, just because it doesn't match up with a show well into its second season is really pointless.

Mexcillent
Dec 6, 2008
I'm watching season 1. I actually like this show a lot, but there's some very weak performances and some uneveness in tone that mess it up in places. I'm excited to get to the end of the season though and will try to catch up to broadcasts.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
Whoop new episode!!! Yay Road Trip!

burtonos
Aug 17, 2004

...and the angel did say, "go forth, and lay waste to all who oppose you"
STRIKE FORCE X!

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
Amanda Waller! Yay! and she knows their secretssssss.

jscolon2.0
Jul 9, 2001

With great payroll, comes great disappointment.
Stupid thin Amanda Waller.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Haha, Waller knows that Ollie is the Arrow.

Kammat
Feb 9, 2008
Odd Person
I was gonna complain that's no Amanda Waller, but that's perfectly in character. She doesn't coerce you with pain, she coerces you by letting you know she knows EVERYTHING.

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


Hollismason posted:

Amanda Waller! Yay!

She knows :ohdear:

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


They call it "Miracle" but sounds more like Venom to me.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

It's a magical place.

jscolon2.0
Jul 9, 2001

With great payroll, comes great disappointment.
Tahiti? It's a magical place.

Deakul
Apr 2, 2012

PAM PA RAM

PAM PAM PARAAAAM!

God drat that was only the first 12 minutes?!

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
I guess I will spoiler this but Venom the drug was based on a drug named "Miracle" which was based on HOUR MANs formulae. So yeah I would not be surprised at all if it's venom. Plus you had Brother Blood using it basically.

jscolon2.0
Jul 9, 2001

With great payroll, comes great disappointment.
In all fairness, they're pretty short, Ollie.

Baronash
Feb 29, 2012

So what do you want to be called?
Her skirts are not ... that short.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


While her skirts aren't the shortest, they are extremely tight.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
I wished they'd put subtitles on for the Russian :(. Now we have to wait for the translation. Woah Slade is hosed up.

Kammat
Feb 9, 2008
Odd Person
Oh drat did he get it bad

Baronash
Feb 29, 2012

So what do you want to be called?
Anybody know Russian? I kind of want to know what he said too.

Slade! :neckbeard:

jscolon2.0
Jul 9, 2001

With great payroll, comes great disappointment.

JohnSherman posted:

Anybody know Russian? I kind of want to know what he said too.

Slade! :neckbeard:

Nope, now that he has half a face, he's officially Deathstroke. :black101:

Spuzzz
Mar 27, 2005

I have hit my head some many times I am surprised I can remember my own name.
Oh come on, just say you need to break up until the trial is over.

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


Poor flashback Slade, poor present Roy.

Also glad to see Summer Glau finally getting some screen time.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
poo poo, now I think I know why Slade and Oliver have a falling out and I do not like it.

drat Diggle nice little fight scene.

Kammat
Feb 9, 2008
Odd Person
Oh crap

jscolon2.0
Jul 9, 2001

With great payroll, comes great disappointment.

Hollismason posted:

poo poo, now I think I know why Slade and Oliver have a falling out and I do not like it.

drat Diggle nice little fight scene.

Shado has had historical issues with taking liberties with badly injured men in her care.

Deakul
Apr 2, 2012

PAM PA RAM

PAM PAM PARAAAAM!

drat, I could've sworn only Slade's hands were on fire?
Also wow, Thea's done dealing with everyone's bullshit I guess.
And god drat Diggle is a beast.

frgildan
Apr 6, 2005

I went some place mum and everyday I woke up in that place and told myself I'm alive and I was.

Deakul posted:

drat, I could've sworn only Slade's hands were on fire?
Also wow, Thea's done dealing with everyone's bullshit I guess.
And god drat Diggle is a beast.

In the bombing scene his hand were on fire and he reached up to his face.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
Bow chikka wow wow. I dunno if I like this developement.


That was a really fast sex scene.

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arkmedes
Jun 24, 2009
Oooooh poo poo

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