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Urdnot Fire
Feb 13, 2012

Holy poo poo, Flop House did Foodfight :allears: The Cat on a Hot Tintin/Tantan Roof bit in particular had me in stitches.

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Nov 27, 2009



That podcast crawl the Flop House is joining is unfortunate. I list to Read It and Weep from time to time and the best thing I can say about the show is that it's aggressively average. I hadn't heard Proudly Resents until today and it makes Read It and Weep look like a work of genius.

Flython
Oct 21, 2010

Urdnot Fire posted:

Holy poo poo, Flop House did Foodfight :allears: The Cat on a Hot Tintin/Tantan Roof bit in particular had me in stitches.

I was eating soup at the time and through sheer superhuman effort I didn't spill it all over me. Just so good.

weekly font
Dec 1, 2004


Everytime I try to fly I fall
Without my wings
I feel so small
Guess I need you baby...



Urdnot Fire posted:

Holy poo poo, Flop House did Foodfight :allears: The Cat on a Hot Tintin/Tantan Roof bit in particular had me in stitches.

I just hit that part and came here to say that everyone needs to listen to this episode.

GraPar
Jun 2, 2011
I knew the Foodfight! episode of Flop House would be great, but it exceeded all expectations. Cannot believe how well that pun worked out.

Dr. Lariat
Jul 1, 2004

by Lowtax
I hope someday WHM and other podcasts figure out that you can patch in a recording device between the mic's and the PA. Scream 3 episode isn't awful but I tried at least 3 times to get through the cliffhanger episode. Mic-ing the room doesn't produce good results.

GraPar
Jun 2, 2011
They got Ed Brubaker on for the Daredevil episode of HDTGM today, awesome.

cams
Mar 28, 2003


GraPar posted:

They got Ed Brubaker on for the Daredevil episode of HDTGM today, awesome.
June making me laugh a lot less than five minutes into this episode.

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:

Dr. Lariat posted:

I hope someday WHM and other podcasts figure out that you can patch in a recording device between the mic's and the PA. Scream 3 episode isn't awful but I tried at least 3 times to get through the cliffhanger episode. Mic-ing the room doesn't produce good results.

Their Sylvester Stallone impressions are magical (the bit in Rocky 4 where they mimicked what would happen in Apollo Creed's funeral had me in goddamn stitches), but it's a drat shame they're marred by the awful audio.

OldTennisCourt
Sep 11, 2011

by VideoGames

Calaveron posted:

Their Sylvester Stallone impressions are magical (the bit in Rocky 4 where they mimicked what would happen in Apollo Creed's funeral had me in goddamn stitches), but it's a drat shame they're marred by the awful audio.

HEY ROCK CAN LEAPY COME TO THE FUNERAL?

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:

OldTennisCourt posted:

HEY ROCK CAN LEAPY COME TO THE FUNERAL?

YEAH JUS' PUT HIM IN YOUR FRONT POCKET BUDDY, DON'T LET HIM HOP INTO THE GRAVE.

PAULY I TOLD YOU, YOU GOTTA KEEP YOUR FROG AWAY FROM THIS FUNERAL.

NO DON'T GET YOUR SHOES ALL WET, THEY'RE NEW! PAULY COME BACK! I AIN'T PAYING FOR NO NEW SHOES.

People kept giving me weird stares at the gym.

laz0rbeak
Oct 9, 2011

GraPar posted:

They got Ed Brubaker on for the Daredevil episode of HDTGM today, awesome.

Just listened to this ep and was pretty underwhelmed. I understand not watching the director's cut, but then it seemed like they spent a lot of time just explaining that that cut was a bit stronger. Honestly the Director's Cut's just kind of slow, it's not really bad enough to justify a HDTGM. I wish they had stuck to the theatrical cut, and really focused in some of the issues- like its 4 minute music video. Really a lot of missed opportunities all around. At least Jason seemed to be a fan of Brubaker and Daredevil, so they avoided their usual "no one knows anything about the source material" moments.

Maybe I'm just carry-over disappointed for how bad their Halloween 3 episode was compared to WHM's version.

Oh, and if you're looking for more bad movie podcasts, there's two a few new episodes of the podcast I co-host over at http://www.yourstupidminds.com/ . We review the completely forgotten Showtime movie "Vampirella," which co-stars Roger Daltrey as Dracula, and Dracula 3D, as directed by Dario Argento.

Warlocktopus
Aug 19, 2006
Post Post-Modern Man
Started listening to WHM thanks to this thread, very good timekiller at work, and I think Eric Szyszka might be my favorite part of the show. His deadpan delivery undercuts everyone else beautifully. He reminds me of Norm MacDonald, for some reason. His own podcast, Blame It On Outer Space, isn't bad, although I think he really benefits from having an energetic host like Jupin to work off of.

Steve took a bit to grow on me, but now I really enjoy him and think he carries the episodes he's in. I could lose Chris.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Calaveron posted:

YEAH JUS' PUT HIM IN YOUR FRONT POCKET BUDDY, DON'T LET HIM HOP INTO THE GRAVE.

PAULY I TOLD YOU, YOU GOTTA KEEP YOUR FROG AWAY FROM THIS FUNERAL.

NO DON'T GET YOUR SHOES ALL WET, THEY'RE NEW! PAULY COME BACK! I AIN'T PAYING FOR NO NEW SHOES.

People kept giving me weird stares at the gym.

Haha, yes, I JUST listened to the Rocky 4 episode. It always bugged me how much of a loving manchild Paulie was in that movie. It felt kind of shameful to watch.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Rotten Red Rod posted:

Haha, yes, I JUST listened to the Rocky 4 episode. It always bugged me how much of a loving manchild Paulie was in that movie. It felt kind of shameful to watch.

Also you know how he beat Adrian when she was pregnant

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

bobkatt013 posted:

Also you know how he beat Adrian when she was pregnant

YES. I had never watched any of the Rocky movies before, and when Rocky Balboa came out, I marathoned all of the for the first time, so it was fresh in my mind. Why the gently caress was he friends with him still? Why would they be hanging out? He should be estranged, forever.

I also don't like Adrian's personality change over the movies. In the first one she's PAINFULLY shy - Rocky practically rapes her in one very uncomfortable scene from the first. But then later she's just the bland, doting wife, and any uniqueness of her character from the first movie is gone. She even LOOKS totally different.

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007
And in the last movie she's a spooky ghost. Whats up with that?

Hewlett
Mar 4, 2005

"DANCE! DANCE! DANCE!"

Also, drink
and watch movies.
That's fun too.

Alcohollywood's got up our Oogieloves episode now - some of you were wondering about how we might fare with this fucker, so I thought this might interest you. The results were...intresting, and possibly quite sad. :eng101:

flashy_mcflash
Feb 7, 2011

Drunkboxer posted:

And in the last movie she's a spooky ghost. Whats up with that?

I hope they make one more Rocky that's just a straight-up Conjuring-esque horror.

laz0rbeak
Oct 9, 2011

Warlocktopus posted:

Started listening to WHM thanks to this thread, very good timekiller at work, and I think Eric Szyszka might be my favorite part of the show. His deadpan delivery undercuts everyone else beautifully. He reminds me of Norm MacDonald, for some reason. His own podcast, Blame It On Outer Space, isn't bad, although I think he really benefits from having an energetic host like Jupin to work off of.

Steve took a bit to grow on me, but now I really enjoy him and think he carries the episodes he's in. I could lose Chris.

Yeah Szyszka's my favorite, and I'm always a bit disappointed when they do the introductions and he's not there. I do/did like Blame it on Outer Space, but the long hiatus/being once a month kind of made me forget about it.

Infamous Sphere
Nov 8, 2010
Blargh oh my god yes, I have read fanfiction, in a way it's a guilty pleasure/so bad it's good thing. I can't read trashy romance though. Fanfiction..oh god..some of the anatomical limitations are..well..let's just say these women don't very much und

Hewlett posted:

Alcohollywood's got up our Oogieloves episode now - some of you were wondering about how we might fare with this fucker, so I thought this might interest you. The results were...intresting, and possibly quite sad. :eng101:

Excellent episode, and a great companion piece to Flophouse's Oogieloves episode. I remember seeing the trailer for Oogieloves, and my face was just..instantly transformed into a rictus of disgust - holy poo poo, what a misguided movie. There's this stupid idea that kids' movies have to be bad, but…from the sounds of it, it'd be way easier to do a halfway decent kids' tv show or movie with practically no budget. I mean…I absolutely loved Old Bear Stories as a kid, and I doubt that had an extensive budget. What the hell did they do with all of that money? Was Cary Elwes really that expensive?
What's the criteria for picking a movie for Alcohollywood? It doesn't follow the "bad" theme that most other podcasts do. Is it just anything that you think would be interesting to talk about?

Also, I hate to tell you, and it's a nitpick, but puffins can fly.. I think you were thinking of penguins. So..what do you know - the Oogieloves actually got something right!

Hewlett
Mar 4, 2005

"DANCE! DANCE! DANCE!"

Also, drink
and watch movies.
That's fun too.

Infamous Sphere posted:

What's the criteria for picking a movie for Alcohollywood? It doesn't follow the "bad" theme that most other podcasts do. Is it just anything that you think would be interesting to talk about?

Also, I hate to tell you, and it's a nitpick, but puffins can fly.. I think you were thinking of penguins. So..what do you know - the Oogieloves actually got something right!

Thanks for the nice words! As for our criteria for picking movies, there are many different factors we go into - first and foremost, we do have listener requests, which take up the vast majority of our picks (sometimes we even get suggestions from people who think we're actually "Hollywood"; basically, they're pitching movies to us like "nat king cole's life story"). Other than that, though, we try to frame them around holidays, what movies guests would like to do, and our own wish lists. We also celebrate Connickuh (we watch a Harry Connick Jr. movie every Hanukkah), so that's another determiner. Hell, we're doing The Lady Vanishes and Fight Club the next couple weeks, so we are definitely no strangers to watching quality films - though talking about what you LIKE about a movie is often harder than ripping apart a bad one, so I understand why most movie podcasts focus on hilariously lovely movies.

Yeah, I feel bad posting in this thread sometimes, as we're not a "bad" movie podcast per se, but we're basically of the opinion that every single movie can have a drinking game made for it - and by God, we're going to try.

Also: Thank you SO MUCH, I loving knew it was a puffin! :buddy:

Infamous Sphere
Nov 8, 2010
Blargh oh my god yes, I have read fanfiction, in a way it's a guilty pleasure/so bad it's good thing. I can't read trashy romance though. Fanfiction..oh god..some of the anatomical limitations are..well..let's just say these women don't very much und

Hewlett posted:

Thanks for the nice words! As for our criteria for picking movies, there are many different factors we go into - first and foremost, we do have listener requests, which take up the vast majority of our picks (sometimes we even get suggestions from people who think we're actually "Hollywood"; basically, they're pitching movies to us like "nat king cole's life story"). Other than that, though, we try to frame them around holidays, what movies guests would like to do, and our own wish lists. We also celebrate Connickuh (we watch a Harry Connick Jr. movie every Hanukkah), so that's another determiner. Hell, we're doing The Lady Vanishes and Fight Club the next couple weeks, so we are definitely no strangers to watching quality films - though talking about what you LIKE about a movie is often harder than ripping apart a bad one, so I understand why most movie podcasts focus on hilariously lovely movies.

Yeah, I feel bad posting in this thread sometimes, as we're not a "bad" movie podcast per se, but we're basically of the opinion that every single movie can have a drinking game made for it - and by God, we're going to try.

Also: Thank you SO MUCH, I loving knew it was a puffin! :buddy:

It's always nice to have some kind of criteria. I have a review show (video reviewing, not podcasts), and my criteria is LGBT movies/TV, and period dramas (there's also an overlap - you'd be surprised how many LGBT movies are also period pieces.) There's something to be said for having a theme other than "bad", and I'm not just talking about market share - while attacking a bad film can be a lot of fun, if all you ever do is watch bad movies, after a while you start losing the will to live. Good movies do present a different challenge though, I agree - but I bet you're really looking forward to Hitchcock and Fincher after the Oogieloves.
The drinks thing is really awesome - do a lot of listeners report that they try the drinks, or do the drinking game? Do you tend to get a more positive reception for reviews of good movies that everyone loves, or for notoriously rubbish movies?

I'm sure you get a lot of suggestions for stuff to review, but if I'm ever going to suggest one thing to you, it'll be my favourite (so) bad (it's good) movie - The Watcher - which stars Keanu Reeves as a gay dancing serial killer, stalking a drugged-up James Spader, who is the FBI agent trying to stop him. It's every bit as special as that sounds, and it's bad in just the way that I love. I've never yet heard or seen a comedic breakdown/review of it, apart from the one I did myself, but that was my second video, so the production quality is really quite bad. I'd absolutely love if someone else took a crack at it.

WerthersWay
Jul 21, 2009

What's the email for HDTGM's corrections and omissions? Or do you just post on the message boards?

Hewlett
Mar 4, 2005

"DANCE! DANCE! DANCE!"

Also, drink
and watch movies.
That's fun too.

Infamous Sphere posted:

It's always nice to have some kind of criteria. I have a review show (video reviewing, not podcasts), and my criteria is LGBT movies/TV, and period dramas (there's also an overlap - you'd be surprised how many LGBT movies are also period pieces.) There's something to be said for having a theme other than "bad", and I'm not just talking about market share - while attacking a bad film can be a lot of fun, if all you ever do is watch bad movies, after a while you start losing the will to live. Good movies do present a different challenge though, I agree - but I bet you're really looking forward to Hitchcock and Fincher after the Oogieloves.
The drinks thing is really awesome - do a lot of listeners report that they try the drinks, or do the drinking game? Do you tend to get a more positive reception for reviews of good movies that everyone loves, or for notoriously rubbish movies?

I'm sure you get a lot of suggestions for stuff to review, but if I'm ever going to suggest one thing to you, it'll be my favourite (so) bad (it's good) movie - The Watcher - which stars Keanu Reeves as a gay dancing serial killer, stalking a drugged-up James Spader, who is the FBI agent trying to stop him. It's every bit as special as that sounds, and it's bad in just the way that I love. I've never yet heard or seen a comedic breakdown/review of it, apart from the one I did myself, but that was my second video, so the production quality is really quite bad. I'd absolutely love if someone else took a crack at it.

Yeah, there are definitely genres of film we tend to stay away from; we have a minimum of foreign-language films on there, for example, and some films with social issues we feel it might be gauche for two white guys to pretentiously talk about. Basically, I don't think we'll feel comfortable tackling Do the Right Thing or 12 Years a Slave anytime soon.

As for listeners trying the games/drinks, it honestly doesn't happen too often, as far as we know - we've had people make the cocktails and send us stuff, which is nice, but otherwise the drinks are more of a gimmick to see what wacky thing we can come up with to fit the film. Sometimes, Jared has so many goddamn ingredients in the cocktail I can't imagine anyone actually buying the stuff to make them. I'm not even a fan of some of our drinks; our Oldboy drink has carrot juice and sake, so blech, and the Fifth Element one has clam and beet juice (for two of the five 'Elements', get it?), but they fit the motif we're going for.

We will admittedly get a lot more traffic for well-known 'bad' movies (like our Oogieloves episode is doing well), but our biggest hits are ones where we have crossover traffic from our guests. Fellow CineD goon General Ironicus has a fairly admirable following from his Let's Plays, so the episodes in which he guests (Sucker Punch, The Breakfast Club, O Brother Where Art Thou?) absolutely get the most listens. It's a pattern we're still struggling with; we want to get to the point where we have enough of a following that we'll be appointment listening for a lot of people. :3:

Also, if you want us to consider The Watcher (which I think I've heard of), head here and put it in the mailbag; that's usually where we keep track of our official requests. GThanks!

parasyte
Aug 13, 2003

Nobody wants to die except the suicides. They're no fun.

Hewlett posted:

our biggest hits are ones where we have crossover traffic from our guests.

Speaking of, I did listen to the episode of HyperComboCast where you guested on Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun Li, which was pretty hilarious. More hilarious was how you basically took charge and more or less hosted the episode (which was not a bad thing).

Hewlett
Mar 4, 2005

"DANCE! DANCE! DANCE!"

Also, drink
and watch movies.
That's fun too.

parasyte posted:

Speaking of, I did listen to the episode of HyperComboCast where you guested on Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun Li, which was pretty hilarious. More hilarious was how you basically took charge and more or less hosted the episode (which was not a bad thing).

Haha, thanks! I don't think either of us expected it to turn out that way, so I'll just chalk it up to both of us just being flabbergasted at the film's very existence; it was a lot of fun though.

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007
Why hasn't WHM done The Island with Michael Caine yet?

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

cams posted:

June making me laugh a lot less than five minutes into this episode.

I loving died laughing when she was all "I'm excited to watch the Elektra spin off." Oh, June. :allears:

weekly font
Dec 1, 2004


Everytime I try to fly I fall
Without my wings
I feel so small
Guess I need you baby...



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Urdnot Fire
Feb 13, 2012

Probably won't listen to the other parts of the podcrawl, but the Flop House's Attack of the Clones episode is out. I had forgotten how utterly goofy that movie was.

bobservo
Jul 24, 2003

Urdnot Fire posted:

Probably won't listen to the other parts of the podcrawl, but the Flop House's Attack of the Clones episode is out. I had forgotten how utterly goofy that movie was.

Glad they mentioned the "Who da man? Yoda man!" ad campaign.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6d1dR2170o

bobservo fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Nov 18, 2013

OldTennisCourt
Sep 11, 2011

by VideoGames

bobservo posted:

Glad they mentioned the "Who da man? Yoda man!" ad campaign.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6d1dR2170o

This commercial is like the last dying gasp of the 90's.

bobservo
Jul 24, 2003

OldTennisCourt posted:

This commercial is like the last dying gasp of the 90's.

That one's for the DVD release, but The Flop House was correct in noting Fox hastily assembled the whole "Yoda man" campaign for the original release after everyone freaked out about the Yoda fight. I think that commercial was the main reason I never bothered seeing it.

Irish Joe
Jul 23, 2007

by Lowtax
To see a man be so vulnerable like that and to be blind and he's also a superhero.. to me and maybe other woman feel this: what could be better?

Beeez
May 28, 2012
"I thought he was able to do those things because he really committed to being blind"

Infamous Sphere
Nov 8, 2010
Blargh oh my god yes, I have read fanfiction, in a way it's a guilty pleasure/so bad it's good thing. I can't read trashy romance though. Fanfiction..oh god..some of the anatomical limitations are..well..let's just say these women don't very much und

Hewlett posted:

Haha, thanks! I don't think either of us expected it to turn out that way, so I'll just chalk it up to both of us just being flabbergasted at the film's very existence; it was a lot of fun though.

Hewlett, I'm quoting you just to point out the fact that I've been listening to several Alcohollywood episodes, and I absolutely love your style. I have just one criticism, which you're probably going to ignore, but it's just one thing that bothers me. I'm not particularly fond of when podcasts/video reviews suddenly get derailed because the hosts have to go on at length about how sexy one of the characters is. It's one thing to mention that a character or an actor is attractive, especially if it's relevant to the plot (like if the actor is really nice looking but the movie treats them like they're hideous looking), and it's probably just me who gets bothered by it, but I did find those bits in the Fight Club episode, where your guest couldn't stop going on about Brad Pitt, or the Clue episode, when everyone talked about Yvette's breasts for 5 minutes, a bit...unnecessary (that goes for any gender or sexuality, I'm not trying to claim that it's inherently a sexist thing, more of a pointless thing).

Hewlett
Mar 4, 2005

"DANCE! DANCE! DANCE!"

Also, drink
and watch movies.
That's fun too.

Infamous Sphere posted:

Hewlett, I'm quoting you just to point out the fact that I've been listening to several Alcohollywood episodes, and I absolutely love your style. I have just one criticism, which you're probably going to ignore, but it's just one thing that bothers me. I'm not particularly fond of when podcasts/video reviews suddenly get derailed because the hosts have to go on at length about how sexy one of the characters is. It's one thing to mention that a character or an actor is attractive, especially if it's relevant to the plot (like if the actor is really nice looking but the movie treats them like they're hideous looking), and it's probably just me who gets bothered by it, but I did find those bits in the Fight Club episode, where your guest couldn't stop going on about Brad Pitt, or the Clue episode, when everyone talked about Yvette's breasts for 5 minutes, a bit...unnecessary (that goes for any gender or sexuality, I'm not trying to claim that it's inherently a sexist thing, more of a pointless thing).

Thanks for listening! I'm glad you like it for the most part, and any feedback/constructive criticism is more than welcome.

As to your point, I can definitely respect that you might get uncomfortable when it happens. For the most part, I'd say that the stuff about Brad Pitt/Yvette's various assets were relevant to the discussion of the movie, as their sex appeal were huge components of their respective movies. I wasn't aware that it went on long enough to become uncomfortable necessarily, but I do think I want to do better about reigning in guests when we talk about the attractiveness/unattractiveness of people in the films we cover. I agree it did go a bit too far in the Fight Club episode, and our most recent episode on Dolphin Tale features a fabulously gay friend of mine who couldn't stop talking about how Harry Connick Jr. would be cuter if he didn't have chicken legs, etc.), but the combination of alcohol and the exuberance of the conversation can make it difficult at times. That being said, I'll definitely watch out for it in the future if I feel conversation is getting too far afield in favor of that stuff. Again, I highly appreciate the feedback, and I'm just thankful you like the show enough to take the time!

Infamous Sphere
Nov 8, 2010
Blargh oh my god yes, I have read fanfiction, in a way it's a guilty pleasure/so bad it's good thing. I can't read trashy romance though. Fanfiction..oh god..some of the anatomical limitations are..well..let's just say these women don't very much und
Do you do much editing of the show? It seems very well put-together, but at the same time it is relatively conversational. I'm assuming you chop out any awkward pauses though (I'm only used to video editing, not audio on its own.)

Also, Hewlett, I know this isn't the right thread, but I just thought I'd say...with the help of another goon, I recently was able to rediscover the thread for SPEEDING UP: ON THE STREETS - IN THE AIR, which I was looking forward to not just for the original text, but also, your amazing dramatic readings. Seriously, those things made me crack up so much at the time, and they're just as funny now - especially since..in text format, when you're reading it, your brain skips over most of the horrible, incomprehensible stuff and makes sense of it, but when I heard you reading it...it truly struck me just how batshit insane the writing style of that book was. I did much of the illustration in that thread, but I'd say you put a lot more work in than I ever did.
(Also, how hard was it to read that book without cracking up?)

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Hewlett
Mar 4, 2005

"DANCE! DANCE! DANCE!"

Also, drink
and watch movies.
That's fun too.

Infamous Sphere posted:

Do you do much editing of the show? It seems very well put-together, but at the same time it is relatively conversational. I'm assuming you chop out any awkward pauses though (I'm only used to video editing, not audio on its own.)

Also, Hewlett, I know this isn't the right thread, but I just thought I'd say...with the help of another goon, I recently was able to rediscover the thread for SPEEDING UP: ON THE STREETS - IN THE AIR, which I was looking forward to not just for the original text, but also, your amazing dramatic readings. Seriously, those things made me crack up so much at the time, and they're just as funny now - especially since..in text format, when you're reading it, your brain skips over most of the horrible, incomprehensible stuff and makes sense of it, but when I heard you reading it...it truly struck me just how batshit insane the writing style of that book was. I did much of the illustration in that thread, but I'd say you put a lot more work in than I ever did.
(Also, how hard was it to read that book without cracking up?)

Holy poo poo, you found that? What's the link, I've been looking for those since I lost the recordings. I've been meaning to get back to that sometime and finish the book. Come to think of it, I do also remember your illustrations, they were pretty great too!

As for your questions, there's a fair bit of editing that goes on; most of the time, it's awkward pauses, the occasional obnoxious taking of breath or stammering, etc. Sometimes, it's even useful to take out the times when one just says a lot of meaningless words just to buy time before your actual statement (kind of like Perd Hapley does in Parks and Rec), which I'll cop to. Our raw recording sessions typically last about 75 to 90 minutes, so I like to get it down to between 60 and 70; luckily, there are usually enough unrelated tangents I can safely cut out. I'm glad it's rarely noticed though, I try to make the edits as seamless as possible.

Hewlett fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Dec 2, 2013

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