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miasmacloud posted:Is the leg shot of Waller at the start of this episode supposed to tell us that she was also the pair of legs from the end of season 1? Every time a female character is revealed, the shot always starts from the heels and then reveals the rest of her body (see also: Isabel getting out of the car this episode). That's just the way it is in TV and film. Don't ask me why.
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Shakugan posted:This episode was weird and everyone seemed out of character. Somehow exploding and mowing down russian prison guards is totally ok despite Ollie changing his ways (especially considering those guards aren't "bad guys"), Diggle just letting Deadshot go for no reason whatsoever (inevitably for him to end up in his old profession). Seriously, how many innocent people died/will die in the Arrowverse because of Diggle's actions in this episode? Pretty much my thoughts, this wasn't a great episode. I was hoping it was going to be explaining what Ollie's doing in the Russian mob actually. Deakul fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Nov 14, 2013 |
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Nov 14, 2013 04:51
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They've been pushing the Felicity crush so hard since the start of this season that this is nothing if not predictable. ...Well, her reaction and the melodrama attached, anyway. The Isabel quickie caught me off guard. I thought this was a really good episode, but that's entirely because it's a Diggle heavy episode, and Diggle rules. Plus, if this leads to Slade/Deathstroke coming back sooner rather than later, I am all over that.
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Nov 14, 2013 04:55
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oh jay posted:Every time a female character is revealed, the shot always starts from the heels and then reveals the rest of her body (see also: Isabel getting out of the car this episode).  If it is her, then drat. Waller liked those shoes so much she kept them for 6 years. Or she bought like 20 pairs.
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Nov 14, 2013 05:12
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This show is the greatest. I'm not a fan of the Ollie/Felicity thing though. But Zelenka! I sure hope we see a lot more of him. Him being a Russian badass is the greatest thing ever. 
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Nov 14, 2013 05:44
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Also everyone complaining about killing the guards. Ollie's friend Zelenka talked about how the guards are pretty awful. We also see that if you get in a minor fight they stick you in a freezer or at least a room with no heat for a few hours. How many people can survive extended exposure like that? Not that it justifies killing BUT these guards aren't innocent guys just doing their job.
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Nov 14, 2013 05:50
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I didn't even see Ollie kill any of the guards himself. That was all Diggle and... Lyla?
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XboxPants posted:How's Ollie's Russian? As someone who knows almost nothing about the language it sounds cool to me, but I'm sure it's far from perfect. Is it at least, like, not terrible? Glau supposedly has a good Russian accent, though it doesn't look like they're giving her a lot of chance to use it. His Russian is pretty terrible, to the point where I have no idea what he said to the guy during the truck deal, other than it being some threat. The scene back at the hotel was much better and his "I think I've had enough to drink" was at least mostly intelligible. In his defense, literally no one in Hollywood speaks Russian well. Hell, it's usually a miracle if the actor/actresses manages to actually pronounce half of the words correctly, but even then the emphasis is always a bit off and the general flow of the language just isn't something you can teach to a non-native speaker. I imagine it's the case for most languages, but any native speaker can immediately tell whether or not someone's actually Russian or if they're just mumbling some lines they learned. The guards and waiter at the hotel, for example, were all native speakers while the dude who tried to double-cross them during the truck deal wasn't. As for the actual episode, I thought it was a bit weak as well, although it's mostly because of the Ollie/Felicity stuff being awkwardly shoved out there. I did like that they acknowledged that it's weird that some random IT girl got this crazy promotion seemingly out of nowhere. Also Thea not just telling Roy that she's breaking up with him for her mom was pretty dumb, but at least they used that to set up the scene at the prison so I'll give it a pass.
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His Mandarin is marginally better though. edit: And it's not like Russian and Mandarin are easy languages either. wedgie deliverer fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Nov 14, 2013 |
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Nov 14, 2013 06:15
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Very curious about his threat during the attempted double-cross, maybe he name-dropped someone big in the Russian mob (or maybe he has some fame in the mob)?
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Nov 14, 2013 06:23
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I don't have any inherent problem with Felicity and Ollie. They could be a fun couple. The problem to me is that it they're never gonna stay together, so it just seems kinda pointless, especially if that messes up the great non-romantic relationship they currently (previously?) have.Eddain posted:Very curious about his threat during the attempted double-cross, maybe he name-dropped someone big in the Russian mob (or maybe he has some fame in the mob)? I doubt it's anything interesting; we're probably better off not knowing. We're not supposed to know what was said, and we're supposed to let out imaginations run wild to fill in the blanks ourselves. Same trick as when Batman whispers something to a criminal that makes him break down and spill all his secrets. Sometimes it's worth looking up what people are saying when it's not subtitled, but it's rare. If the viewer needed to know what was being said, it'd have subtitles. 9 out of 10 times when you look up untranslated dialog, it's completely mundane, "oh, that's pretty much exactly what I figured they were saying" fare. It's intentionally written so that you get what's happening even if you don't understand the dialog. XboxPants fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Nov 14, 2013 |
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Nov 14, 2013 06:25
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I thought Ivo said Miraclo not Miracle. Works either way and now we have a setup for the Hourman series. Are Doctor Midnite and Wildcat next? Also Chekhov's Particle Accelerator is being protested. Nothing bad can happen from that.
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Nov 14, 2013 06:57
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Why would the Chinese have a word that translates into a nonsensical word? "Yes it's english translation from Chinese is snarglinibo" I'm pretty sure he said Miracle. Miraclo isn't a word and if he did say " Yes in english it means Nonsensical word" then that is dumb 
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Why would the chinese research a weapon for the japanese during WW2 ? EDIT: Humbug Scoolbus posted:I thought Ivo said Miraclo not Miracle. Dantes fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Nov 14, 2013 |
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Nov 14, 2013 07:25
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Dantes posted:Why would the chinese research a weapon for the japanese during WW2 ? This is correct. It'd be spelled different but yeah, he was saying miraculu which is just a loan word originally coming from miracle.
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Dantes posted:Probably miraculu. Japanese add a "u" sound often when they pick words from other languages. "mirakuru" is a more accurate transcription. Japanese adds vowels in between any consonant string, because Japanese words have to have consonants separated by vowels.
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Awesome show as always, but I really don't like the fact that they're starting to push this Oliver/Felicity relationship thing in the open and are actually going to make it a plot point now. It was fine when it was going on in the background, but the fact that its now a plot point makes me uneasy. Honestly I wouldn't be so bothered by it if not for the fact that I learned that Felicity was supposed to just be a one-shot character who they brought back because the fans responded kindly to her. I mean bringing her back and into the Team Arrow fold is one thing since she has resulted in fun moments, and I was fine with the minor hints of stuff like her being attracted to him, but I really preferred that relationship to stay platonic overall and not impact the course of the story and character dynamics. I know its okay to respond to strong fan feedback in some cases to improve the show but it just feels that by suddenly introducing an Oliver/Felicity romantic dynamic that they're altering their initial creative plans in order to cater to the idiots on Tumblr and fanfiction.net who are like "OMG I SHIP OLIVER/FELICITY SO HARD MY WHOLE ENJOYMENT OF THIS SHOW IS BASED ON WHETHER OR NOT THESE TWO CHARACTERS GET TOGETHER." I mean I realize that this is a minor complaint and that the rest of the show totally kicks rear end and I love it, but it seems very clear to me that the creators of the show never had any intention of Oliver/Felicity ever being a thing, and I just really hate the idea that the creative vision of the showrunners (which has proven to be VERY entertaining and rewarding so far) is being compromised by them feeling like they have to cater to the needs of the obsessive internet shipping fandom people. I mean if I didn't know that internet reaction was the only reason that led them to give Felicity a larger role and thought it was in their plans the entire time I wouldn't care at all and would trust them, but the fact that I know for a fact that all this Felicity/Oliver romance stuff is something that they didn't have in the plans at all and are only shoehorning in because they want to cater to obsessive "I SHIP THEM SO HARD" people on the internet kind of bothers me a lot. bbf2 fucked around with this message at 10:16 on Nov 14, 2013 |
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Nov 14, 2013 10:11
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Some Numbers posted:"mirakuru" is a more accurate transcription. Japanese adds vowels in between any consonant string, because Japanese words have to have consonants separated by vowels.
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Nov 14, 2013 10:17
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Did someone understand what the name of the German project was? I listened to it 10 times now and still can't make it out despite me being a native speaker.
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Nov 14, 2013 10:19
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Das Uranverein http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nuclear_energy_project took me 12 listens and a bit of google fu
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Yeah, the Ollie/Felicity thing is super disappointing. But hey, it was kind of nice to see the expressive face of Summer Glau used for things like smiling instead of just being an emotionless robot for once.
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Nov 14, 2013 11:37
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I liked how they handled the supposed thea/roy breakup. Every other show would have run that poo poo into the ground.
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Nov 14, 2013 12:25
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They came back on a plane with Isabelle AND lyla right? And Isabel wasn't slightly curious?
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Rocksicles posted:Das Uranverein Der Uranverein would have been correct.
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Pillowpants posted:They came back on a plane with Isabelle AND lyla right? And Isabel wasn't slightly curious? She seems to know that they are up to something, and that its best to just go with it and do some digging on her own than ask why Oliver, his assistant, and Diggle take jet off to Russia, never meet with their Moscow subsidiary, and then return with a strange woman, and a few cuts and bruises.
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oh jay posted:Every time a female character is revealed, the shot always starts from the heels and then reveals the rest of her body (see also: Isabel getting out of the car this episode). They were wearing the exact same shoes though. I'm struggling with the idea that the show could show a shadowy figure, where the only thing you can see clearly is the distinctive shoes, and then focus on those exact same shoes again, only for it to be a coincidence. I think it's her.
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The Lord Bude posted:They were wearing the exact same shoes though. I'm struggling with the idea that the show could show a shadowy figure, where the only thing you can see clearly is the distinctive shoes, and then focus on those exact same shoes again, only for it to be a coincidence. I think it's her. For those of us that have terrible memories, can you clarify the context of the previous scene?
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Merlinicus posted:For those of us that have terrible memories, can you clarify the context of the previous scene? I think it was the person that Edward Fyers was reporting to.
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TyrantWD posted:She seems to know that they are up to something, and that its best to just go with it and do some digging on her own than ask why Oliver, his assistant, and Diggle take jet off to Russia, never meet with their Moscow subsidiary, and then return with a strange woman, and a few cuts and bruises. I read the Isabel stuff this episode as she's trying to manipulate Ollie for whatever nefarious reasons are out there. I figure she knows something's up with Ollie and while she knows he's not simply a dumb playboy, she's not quite sure yet what he really is.
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bbf2 posted:I mean if I didn't know that internet reaction was the only reason that led them to give Felicity a larger role and thought it was in their plans the entire time I wouldn't care at all and would trust them, but the fact that I know for a fact that all this Felicity/Oliver romance stuff is something that they didn't have in the plans at all and are only shoehorning in because they want to cater to obsessive "I SHIP THEM SO HARD" people on the internet kind of bothers me a lot. I don't think it's really shoehorned in at all. Like, sure, if this was the first time they'd shown any reference to it, I could maybe see that, but that's not what happened. They've been unsubtly hinting at it since the first episode of the season. If they changed their plans to include a romance between those two characters, it happened either near the end of season 1 or during the break. Any weirdness for this is entirely on them not handling it right, and I don't think we've seen enough of that to really judge it.
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I hope they have them together for a couple episodes decide that they work better not dating, and go back to their previous relationship.
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I really wish they had a older actress playing Amanda Waller. I always have seen her as being a slightly overweight, older women who through sheer force of personality gets things done. Hell maybe just have CCH Pounder play her live.
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Crowsbeak posted:I really wish they had a older actress playing Amanda Waller. I always have seen her as being a slightly overweight, older women who through sheer force of personality gets things done. Hell maybe just have CCH Pounder player her live. She can lose weight! Why couldn't she?! And also age. This is Green Arrow's origin, Waller should be younger at this point.
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I'm pretty sure it's literally illegal for the CW to feature a character who isn't young and/or attractive.
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Young/thin Waller probably wasn't their choice, that's just how the character is now.
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muscles like this? posted:Young/thin Waller probably wasn't their choice, that's just how the character is now. Yeah, it's New 52 Waller. The young part at least makes sense in universe though.
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Am I really the only person that saw Diggle looking at his search engine with ominous music, cut to his phone with "H.I.V" in it, and thought some sort of weird drama was going to occur? It's a combination of mishearing Deadshot (I thought he said Ivo for some reason), and knowing that some Green Arrow character has an STI (I don't read the comics). Really, just me?
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PoshAlligator posted:Am I really the only person that saw Diggle looking at his search engine with ominous music, cut to his phone with "H.I.V" in it, and thought some sort of weird drama was going to occur? Stop hoping for a Lyla/Diggle/Deadshot love triangle
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PoshAlligator posted:Am I really the only person that saw Diggle looking at his search engine with ominous music, cut to his phone with "H.I.V" in it, and thought some sort of weird drama was going to occur? No for a second I thought that too and was like "drat that's a way to slip that drama into the show."
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