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Is Assault Vest worth a try on Garchomp? I'm thinking: Garchomp @ Assault Vest Jolly Nature 252Atk/252Spe/4HP - Earthquake - Dragon Claw - Poison Jab - Rock Slide I didn't see a point in running Outrage since it's too unwieldy with Fairies around.
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korusan posted:Is Assault Vest worth a try on Garchomp? I'm thinking: Apparently Outrage gets cancelled when a fairy is switched in and cancels the move, plus you don't get confused. I think this was said earlier in the thread, maybe someone can confirm this?
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Nov 18, 2013 19:44
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korusan posted:Is Assault Vest worth a try on Garchomp? I'm thinking: Ran it through smogon's damage calculator against a Life Orb Starmie (slightly weaker than a Scarfed Protean Greninja) and an Ice Beam is still an ohko against 309 SpD (206 on that EV spread* 1.5) about 3/4 the time. You're probably better off using Yache Berry if you're scared of Ice Beam.
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Nov 18, 2013 19:46
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korusan posted:Is Assault Vest worth a try on Garchomp? I'm thinking: I don't know if you're set on using Garchomp, but for my Dragon slot I'm using Dragonite and he is devastating. Dragonite@Weakness Policy Multiscale Adamant 252Atk/252Spe/4HP Earthquake Thunder Punch Outrage Dragon Dance The idea is to Dragon Dance on the first turn, this will boost the speed up pretty high. Multiscale provides protection so you don't get 1hko'd. Weakness policy gives you +2, when combined with DDance, +3 Earthquake pretty much kills everything. It does die to STAB Ice Beam, but it survives most things. And yes, Outrage does fail when it tries to hit a fairy and you don't get confused. But it's still a missed command.
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Nov 18, 2013 19:48
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:You'd be better off Putting those points into SpD or at least splitting them just for that reason. +2 Talonflame Life Orb Brave Bird deals 52% minimum to 252/0+ Rotom-W. It's really easy to wear down over the course of the game if you don't invest in defense, especially with U-Turn. Also, you need 100 EVs at level 50 to get a guaranteed OHKO on Gliscor, since Hydro Pump got nerfed. It's not really worth investing in Special Attack on Defensive Rotom sets anymore.
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Nov 18, 2013 19:51
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Solartide posted:
Only if it's the first hit of outrage, or the second if it was going to be 3 turns. Otherwise the confusion still kicks in.
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Nov 18, 2013 20:02
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I'll probably choose Yache Berry then. I'm not really fond of locking moves in general though, since I find having complete control over what I can use for two turns plus no risk of self harm to be a far better asset than slightly more muscle.
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Nov 18, 2013 20:03
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korusan posted:I'll probably choose Yache Berry then. I'm not really fond of locking moves in general though, since I find having complete control over what I can use for two turns plus no risk of self harm to be a far better asset than slightly more muscle. What will you be using it for? For Battle Spot I would still very highly recommend Outrage.
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Nov 18, 2013 20:07
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Fallord posted:What will you be using it for? For Battle Spot I would still very highly recommend Outrage. Yeah, in general against players you want as much muscle as possible to bust walls and stuff, against Maison I'd recommend against high-risk moves since consistency is key there.
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Nov 18, 2013 20:09
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I think the shinies in friend safaris thing is anecdotal bullshit. I've probably spent a total of ten hours wandering around in the grass there and found one shiny, which is about on-par for my rate of finding them anywhere else in the game.
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Nov 18, 2013 20:11
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LAY-ZX posted:I think the shinies in friend safaris thing is anecdotal bullshit. I've probably spent a total of ten hours wandering around in the grass there and found one shiny, which is about on-par for my rate of finding them anywhere else in the game. I spent the entire day yesterday just to find a Snubbull then just now within 30 minutes of each other I found a Xatu and a second Drowsee. I've found over 30 shinies over the span of 10 days. I have NO idea what the rates are but i'm fairly certain they are increased but it IS still luck based.
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Nov 18, 2013 20:12
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I looked up a list of available clothing items, and was disappointed to find there are no purple boys' sneakers. I don't even know why I'm playing this game anymore.
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Nov 18, 2013 20:23
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LAY-ZX posted:I think the shinies in friend safaris thing is anecdotal bullshit. I've probably spent a total of ten hours wandering around in the grass there and found one shiny, which is about on-par for my rate of finding them anywhere else in the game. I've been playing these games since Crystal came out, and the first (random) shiny I've ever encountered was a friend safari Meditite about a week ago.
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Allright, I'm thinking the following 6 pokemon stable would be solid for the current online ranked format. I think my former issues would be resolved with this. Intimidate Mawile (w/ Mawilite) Play rough Iron head Sucker punch Swords dance Huge power Azumarill (w/life orb) Aqua jet Play rough Superpower Belly Drum Technician Breloom (w/ Expert Belt) Spore Bullet seed Mach Punch Rock Tomb Heatproof Bronzong (w/Light clay) Gyroball Earthquake Light screen Reflect Rotom-W (w/Leftovers) Hydro Pump Will-O-Wisp Dark Pulse/Thunder wave/Thunderbolt Volt Switch Technician Scizor (w/Flying Gem) Swords Dance Bullet Punch U-turn Acrobatics Any notable issues that you can see?
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Nov 18, 2013 20:31
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Emalde posted:Why would anybody find this offensive? If they have a single gimmick for their team and built their team so poorly as to not have any sort of Plan B should it fail, it's less annoying for them to forfeit when it doesn't work than them wasting another 2 minutes of our lives making a futile attempt with the rest of their cobbled-together team. It is still kind of annoying when they don't get Sticky Web or Speed Boost off and then just quit because they can't pass 3x attack and 2x speed to Aegislash.
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LAY-ZX posted:I think the shinies in friend safaris thing is anecdotal bullshit. I've probably spent a total of ten hours wandering around in the grass there and found one shiny, which is about on-par for my rate of finding them anywhere else in the game. Possibly, though I did just find my first shiny of Gen VI (a Mawile) earlier today after 20 minutes of biking around a Safari. Probably another "anecdotal evidence" thing, but we're sure Synchronizers only work from the front of the party, right? I was riding around with two Synchronizers, an Adamant in the front of my party and a Modest at the back, and the shiny Mawile I caught ended up being Modest. Odd that out of all the available Natures it would end up being the same as the only other Synchronizer I had with me, but certainly not out of the realm of possibility. The Wild Man of YOLO fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Nov 18, 2013 |
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Nov 18, 2013 20:36
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Talmonis posted:Allright, I'm thinking the following 6 pokemon stable would be solid for the current online ranked format. I think my former issues would be resolved with this. Flying Gem doesn't exist in Gen VI yet, and it's nerfed, I think Pursuit would be better on that set. I think the lack of special attackers could be a problem and I don't think Scizor gives you much in addition to Mawile and Azumarill - maybe replace Scizor with a Greninja or Scarf Chandelure?
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Nov 18, 2013 20:36
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So I just started a nuzlocke of X, but I already used the only starter that I like, Greninja, when I played Y. Someone convince why I shouldn't just wonder trade this Chespin immediately. Also, why the gently caress does Scatterbug even have an ability that isn't Compoundeyes, come on.
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I have caught 5 shinies in the safari today. One more and I'm going to figure out how to make these six pretty Pokèmon into a rotation team for the goon tournament. My hypothesis is that it works like the fishing chain - resets when you leave, catch a pokemon, or find a shiny.
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Zoness posted:Flying Gem doesn't exist in Gen VI yet, and it's nerfed, I think Pursuit would be better on that set. I think the lack of special attackers could be a problem and I don't think Scizor gives you much in addition to Mawile and Azumarill - maybe replace Scizor with a Greninja or Scarf Chandelure? Good point. How about protect/disable Gengar, for dealing with Mega Khangashkhan? As much as I like Greninja, he seems like he's made of glass, and I have no experience with Chandelure.
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JesustheDarkLord posted:I have caught 5 shinies in the safari today. One more and I'm going to figure out how to make these six pretty Pokèmon into a rotation team for the goon tournament. I'm pretty sure the fishing chain doesn't reset when you catch something. I did a 100-something chain while catching a couple of rare pokemon here and there, and the guy in the fishing hut commented on me managing a 100+ chain afterwards.
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Fallord posted:Only if it's the first hit of outrage, or the second if it was going to be 3 turns. Otherwise the confusion still kicks in. At least on Showdown, it just goes right through the whole thing and won't cancel. EDIT: The best new thing of gen 6 OU on Showdown is getting to explain why Bug Buzz KO'd their substitute Espeon 
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Nov 18, 2013 20:49
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 Took me a whole day to find. I'm not sure about that shiny rate rumor.
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Classtoise posted:At least on Showdown, it just goes right through the whole thing and won't cancel. doesn't bug buzz count as a sound move?
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Nov 18, 2013 21:05
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cancerianmoth posted:doesn't bug buzz count as a sound move? It does but Showdown's programmer Zarel is both lazy and bad at checking boxes.
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Nov 18, 2013 21:07
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cancerianmoth posted:doesn't bug buzz count as a sound move? Yeah, it goes through substitute. It's not a really particularly well documented change to Substitute and IIRC substitute as a move doesn't really mention it in the simple text.
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Nov 18, 2013 21:08
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Does Technician boost Pursuit when the enemy is switching out?
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Nov 18, 2013 21:17
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Talmonis posted:Heatproof Bronzong (w/Light clay) I'm not seeing anything this Bronzong is doing that couldn't be done better by another pokemon. Bronzong really sucks as a wall now that he has two new weaknesses. Something faster putting up your screens would probably be better. Internet Kraken fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Nov 18, 2013 |
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Nov 18, 2013 21:19
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horriblePencilist posted:Does Technician boost Pursuit when the enemy is switching out? No, the base power is doubled to 80 when the enemy is switched out, so Technician no longer applies to it.
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Is there any way to get a Sniper Beedrill in this gen? Now that scope lens + focus energy gives 100% crit rate, I want to play around with it.
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horriblePencilist posted:Does Technician boost Pursuit when the enemy is switching out? It does not. smogon posted:If the user of Pursuit has Technician, the move's power is boosted if the opponent does not switch, but if it does switch, its power is no longer boosted. e;fb
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Talmonis posted:Huge power Azumarill (w/life orb) I don't know about Life Orb on Azumarill, especially if you're running a Belly Drum set. I like Leftovers on him, but I see you're running it on Rotom-W. I'd either: a) move Leftovers onto Azumarill and run Rotom-W as a Chesto Rest set with Hydro Pump/Volt Switch/Will-O-Wisp/Rest b) give Azumarill a Sitrus Berry Talmonis posted:Technician Scizor (w/Flying Gem) Already covered, but Pursuit/Brick Break over Acrobatics. The Life Orb you take off of Azumarill can go here. Talmonis posted:Heatproof Bronzong (w/Light clay) If you're set on dual screens, consider Espeon: Espeon @ Light Clay - Reflect - Light Screen - Psychic/Psyshock - Baton Pass Baton Pass is for Pursuit. Immer fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Nov 18, 2013 |
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horriblePencilist posted:Took me a whole day to find. I'm not sure about that shiny rate rumor. It's still only a 1 in 4096 chance, so it's still very unlikely.
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Thanks for the advice folks. As for Espeon, is there a good way to convince things not to set up in its face?
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Pyroi posted:It's still only a 1 in 4096 chance, so it's still very unlikely. The rumor being that the Friend Safari has a higher rate than normal. Talmonis posted:As for Espeon, is there a good way to convince things not to set up in its face? Don't leave it out against things that are going to set up in its face.
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So I've been training an Archeops/Carracosta double battle combo (Gen 5 are my favorite fossil duo  ) and each of them learned Quick Guard/Wide Guard, which protect against priority/spread moves respectively. I went on Bulbapedia to see if those have priority (they do  ), and apparently they don't fail consecutively like with Protect this generation  Bulbapedia posted:Quick Guard will now block moves given an increased priority through Prankster and Gale Wings. Quick Guard can also now be used consecutively without failing. Bulbapedia posted:Wide Guard no longer has a diminishing chance of success when used consecutively. Both moves don't exactly have a wide distribution (it's mostly fighting and legendary types) but the few pokemon which can learn them are surprising (like Escalivier learning Quick Guard, Alomomola learning Wide Guard, and Mr. Mime learning both)! Not sure how useful they are competitively but might help with shutting down Klefkis and Talonflames.
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Desperate Character posted:So I've been training an Archeops/Carracosta double battle combo (Gen 5 are my favorite fossil duo Hi5, good taste buddy.
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Talmonis posted:Thanks for the advice folks. Espeon gets yawn. But you are probably better off just using a different pokemon.
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Nov 18, 2013 21:56
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I don't get it. Why does Smogon recommend Return over Double hit for Ambipom? With Technician, Double Hit has a total base power of 105, and it can break Focus Sashes.
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If I had to guess it would be because Double Hit has 90% accuracy.
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