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handbanana125 posted:About the Wolves From Thousand Sons/Prospero Burns. The Wolves are full of poo poo when they say they don't draw their power from the warp and I think one of the Thousand Sons calls them out on it. They're pragmatists at heart so they're happy to use their psykers and warp powers by reclassifying it as something else to work within the letter of the law. Russ and the Wolves 'Barbarian Kings' act allows them to get away with a lot but if Magnus hadn't thrown such a fit and claimed that his legion's sorcery were powered by say the laws of physics and the scientific method, he probably would have been able to get away with it. The Wolves have always been larger than other chapters since they didn't comply with the Codex but I think their numbers vary depending on how big their yearly recruitment has been.
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Kegslayer posted:From Thousand Sons/Prospero Burns. The Wolves are full of poo poo when they say they don't draw their power from the warp and I think one of the Thousand Sons calls them out on it. They're pragmatists at heart so they're happy to use their psykers and warp powers by reclassifying it as something else to work within the letter of the law. I just got to the part in Thousand Sons where Russ and Magnus almost fight and have to be stopped by Lorgar and Russ rants about Magnus' sorcery and witchcraft then claiming that the Wolves psykers call on the energies of Fenris. I couldn't tell its its one of those "this is what we say it is to avoid admitting to the truth" or if Russ actually believes it. Either way, by that point in the Great Crusade every Legion is using psykers and flouting the Emperor's ban on warpcraft so Russ throwing a fit seems a little naive.
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The Wolves also seem to have a pretty good grasp of Chaos though and how dangerous it is. By laying down a pretty strict "some knowledge should never be known" to their practices with the Warp they seem to have insulated themselves from corruption. I mean, I think I've seen the phrase used in every Space Wolves novel, "There is some knowledge we intentionally don't know." and the like. EDIT: That's why the Runepriest in A Thousand Sons is showing off his assorted tattoo runes of Strength, Wisdom, etc. and is horrified when Ahiriman asks what the rune for Power is. Anonymous Zebra fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Nov 16, 2013 |
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You know, I get the feeling that Russ is the Primarch that the Big E trusts most. I mean, having someone be your executioner requires alot of trust. Maybe He shared the truth about Chaos to Russ, which is why Russ has set up the Rune Priests the way they are?
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As someone who is more interested in the more obscure parts of WH40K-fiction, I'm planning on reading Innocence Proves Nothing from Sandy Mitchell. Just because it's the only novel I could find which deals with the Enslavers. You know, the things that turn psykers into portals and overrun entire worlds pretty fast if they can gain a foothold? On a similar note, are there stories set around the Jericho Maw Warp Gate? Especially something about how the gate was discovered would be neat, or something about the Achilus Crusade which was apparently send through the gate. (I accidentally stumbled upon the gate and the Crusade while searching for more info about Enslavers, so now I'm curious if there is more.)
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Libluini posted:On a similar note, are there stories set around the Jericho Maw Warp Gate? Especially something about how the gate was discovered would be neat, or something about the Achilus Crusade which was apparently send through the gate. (I accidentally stumbled upon the gate and the Crusade while searching for more info about Enslavers, so now I'm curious if there is more.) I think that's the setting of the 40k RPGs like Deathwatch. IIRC Mitchell's two-book series was a Dark Heresy tie-in, and there was a third book on the way but it never materialized.
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^^^ It was indeed a Dark Heresy tie-in, and you can practically hear the dice rolling during some of the sequences. The characters are all archetypes straight out of the rulebook's classes section, too. Despite this, they weren't awful, although they did seem kind of lazy. Mitchell gives me the impression that he could write better stuff, but instead just goes  Have to say that I prefer his characterizations of the Adeptus Mechanicus more than anyone else's, though. They are absolutely perfect. Also, I encountered the word "clavier" at work today. I may have uttered a wet leopard-growl.
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I was loving Fear to Tread, it actually did a fairly good job building up the creepy/mystique factor until... Attack of the killer street signs, then attack of the killer city, and finally gently caress it lets just make the planet try to nom the fleet why the gently caress not?  The story was going fantastic, then he threw the entire creepy/mystique factor out the window in exchange for something extremely stupid.
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UberJumper posted:I was loving Fear to Tread, it actually did a fairly good job building up the creepy/mystique factor until... There are some parts of Fear to Tread that are really fun to read, but its take on Chaos is pretty far out of joint with the way it is depicted in the rest of the Heresy novels (except for anything involving the Emperors Children). It's like an early edition sourcebook full of goofy demons. Regarding the very end of FTTI'm sure at this point that Abnett/ADB gave Erebus the magic teleportation knife because everyone wanted to use him and they needed to explain how he's simultaneously in different parts of the galaxy all the time.
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I'm about two thirds through Ahariman: Exile and really liking this book. Someone please tell me that BL is going to let this become a full blown series or at least a Trilogy like the Night Lords. Sure its no DA or ADB but its a fun little book and I do like The Thousand Sons as a legion.
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Schneider Heim posted:I think that's the setting of the 40k RPGs like Deathwatch. IIRC Mitchell's two-book series was a Dark Heresy tie-in, and there was a third book on the way but it never materialized. So no novels or shortstories? Well, I'll try to look up the 40k RPG-fluff, then. Still weird they have this giant warp gate hanging around and have even a crusade started through it, but don't have it mentioned outside the RPGs. Kylaer posted:^^^ It was indeed a Dark Heresy tie-in, and you can practically hear the dice rolling during some of the sequences. The characters are all archetypes straight out of the rulebook's classes section, too. Despite this, they weren't awful, although they did seem kind of lazy. Mitchell gives me the impression that he could write better stuff, but instead just goes OK, thankfully the book is really cheap, so I can try it without feeling guilty. (Also I think I could find more about obscure creatures like Enslavers and Cryptos in Xenology, which is something I literally remembered the moment I started typing this sentence.)
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UberJumper posted:I was loving Fear to Tread, it actually did a fairly good job building up the creepy/mystique factor until... That's what I thought. The thousands of people with their bones missing was extremely creepy, and the build up was great. But yeah, the scenes of monsters made out of buildings was a jarring clash with what had been built up. I also found the planet turning to show them the 8 pointed star a bit out of place, but only because I suddenly had a fit of giggles picturing it showing "dickbutt" before Sanguinius orders the exterminatus . Still worth a read though, if only to get a feel for one of the most important primarchs and just how bad rear end he actually is. The fact that in the end he heals his broken legs, bursts out into the sky, crashes through a stain glass window like the avenging angel he is, takes on a blood thirster AND a keeper of secrets and pushes their poo poo in makes up for all his Twilight emo bullshit .
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Dog_Meat posted:That's what I thought. The thousands of people with their bones missing was extremely creepy, and the build up was great. But yeah, the scenes of monsters made out of buildings was a jarring clash with what had been built up. I also found the planet turning to show them the 8 pointed star a bit out of place, but only because I suddenly had a fit of giggles picturing it showing "dickbutt" before Sanguinius orders the exterminatus . Yeah, i am looking forward to that. Also is there any reason why they keep bringing Samus back? In know no fear he seems to be a snake/bird thing, then in Fear to tread he is now a blood thirster?
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UberJumper posted:Yeah, i am looking forward to that. Also is there any reason why they keep bringing Samus back? In know no fear he seems to be a snake/bird thing, then in Fear to tread he is now a blood thirster? I just figured he was a very busy little daemon who gets around a lot.
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UberJumper posted:Yeah, i am looking forward to that. Also is there any reason why they keep bringing Samus back? In know no fear he seems to be a snake/bird thing, then in Fear to tread he is now a blood thirster? It's probably whatever you call it when a good author does a thing and then a bad author copies it ineptly.
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I don't have FTT with me at the moment, but a quick reference to Lexicanum says that the Bloodthirster actually says something to the effect of "Samus sends his regards." In other words, it's not actually Samus.
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Wasn't the bloodthirster the same one that Sanguinius later fights at the eternity gate and breaks his back? (quick google gives me "Ka'Bahnda"). The Keeper of Secrets was "Krysiss".
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Samus was the daemon that possessed Jubal at the Whisperheads. He later shows up at the Battle of Calth. I don't think there is any significance to him, other than the fact that he's the first to possess a Space Marine.
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Cream_Filling posted:It's probably whatever you call it when a good author does a thing and then a bad author copies it ineptly. Being Henry Zhou?
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No, he does a great job at copying. That's what got him in hot water. 
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berzerkmonkey posted:Samus was the daemon that possessed Jubal at the Whisperheads. He later shows up at the Battle of Calth. I don't think there is any significance to him, other than the fact that he's the first to possess a Space Marine. I have to wonder how horrifying a daemonic morphball is.
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Internet tanks, 40k, and red text. We just need some MLP in that avatar and you'll have won some sort of horrible avatar bingo.
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Pornographic Memory posted:Internet tanks, 40k, and red text. We just need some MLP in that avatar and you'll have won some sort of horrible avatar bingo. I'm quivering and shuddering at the same time. Also, many  defend me from anything too obnoxious.
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You earned it fucker.
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VanSandman posted:You earned it fucker.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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What is it about 40k that compels the inflicting of avatars on one-another? It seems to be the number one cause of avatars bought for people that isn't brony invasions.
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Arquinsiel posted:What is it about 40k that compels the inflicting of avatars on one-another? It seems to be the number one cause of avatars bought for people that isn't brony invasions. 40k has cool art and attracts grognards.
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Arquinsiel posted:What is it about 40k that compels the inflicting of avatars on one-another? It seems to be the number one cause of avatars bought for people that isn't brony invasions. 40k fans are inherently frivolous with their money. 
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Also, have you ever been to a 40K tournament? You will never find a more wretched hive of bullshit and pettiness.
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Arquinsiel posted:What is it about 40k that compels the inflicting of avatars on one-another? It seems to be the number one cause of avatars bought for people that isn't brony invasions. Honestly, I would consider one of those a badge of honor. It takes some skill to make someone so angry that they're willing to spend money in the hopes of causing you a tiny amount of embarrassment. I used to have a really funny one someone bought because he/she thought I was racist.
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Fair points all.
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Imagine if the Horus Heresy had been fought with red text avatars instead of bolters.
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Said the Emperor, "Which one of you fuckers bought me The Worst Dad avatar?"
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JerryLee posted:Imagine if the Horus Heresy had been fought with red text avatars instead of bolters. Mortarion posted:Who keeps giving me this Geronitan red text?
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I just finished The Unremembered Empire last night - I felt it was a little below the normal Abnett standard, but he did say in the afterward that it was a real pain in the rear end to write, what with all of the storylines that had to converge to meet at this point. One thing that confuses me though was the timeline: at the end of Vulkan Lives, Vulkan, seemingly very lucid and sane, escapes Curze's ship by teleporting into Macragge's upper atmosphere, where he plunges to the planet. Yet, at the beginning of Empire, when Vulkan comes falling from the sky and smashes into the earth, Curze is playing hide and seek with the Lion on the Lion's ship. That seems to be a hell of a continuity error! Are there any stories I may have missed that explain this? I can buy that Vulkan went crazy after burning up on reentry (though it is a stretch, considering all of the dying he did previously, but the crazy time seems out of character for Abnett.
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berzerkmonkey posted:I just finished The Unremembered Empire last night - I felt it was a little below the normal Abnett standard, but he did say in the afterward that it was a real pain in the rear end to write, what with all of the storylines that had to converge to meet at this point. One thing that confuses me though was the timeline: at the end of Vulkan Lives, Vulkan, seemingly very lucid and sane, escapes Curze's ship by teleporting into Macragge's upper atmosphere, where he plunges to the planet. Yet, at the beginning of Empire, when Vulkan comes falling from the sky and smashes into the earth, Curze is playing hide and seek with the Lion on the Lion's ship. That seems to be a hell of a continuity error! Are there any stories I may have missed that explain this? I can buy that Vulkan went crazy after burning up on reentry (though it is a stretch, considering all of the dying he did previously, but the crazy time seems out of character for Abnett. It's not brought up a lot but Vulkan Lives end scene is actually a time skip to a year or two forward thanks to some weird timefuckery with the teleport beacon. Plus it sounds like you should read Prince of Crows in the Shadows of Treachery book, that's the most recent story with Night Lords before Unremembered Empire.
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KramFoot posted:It's not brought up a lot but Vulkan Lives end scene is actually a time skip to a year or two forward thanks to some weird timefuckery with the teleport beacon. KramFoot posted:Plus it sounds like you should read Prince of Crows in the Shadows of Treachery book, that's the most recent story with Night Lords before Unremembered Empire.
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The editor for the HH- Laurie Golding made a post about it on the First Expedition Forum, I'll look it up and try find it. Still, this kind of thing shows up in Fear to Tread as well, where the Blood Angels end up in Maccrage round the same time as UE despite the fact that Signus Prime must have been shortly after Istvann 5. Basically the answer for weird time shennigans seems to be "the warp did it". Tempted to try make a timeline for the Horus Heresy, including books as well. Or has it been already done in a previous post?
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KramFoot posted:The editor for the HH- Laurie Golding made a post about it on the First Expedition Forum, I'll look it up and try find it. Still, this kind of thing shows up in Fear to Tread as well, where the Blood Angels end up in Maccrage round the same time as UE despite the fact that Signus Prime must have been shortly after Istvann 5. Basically the answer for weird time shennigans seems to be "the warp did it". Or just don't bother. I feel more and more that the series is turning into the scifi version of Dragonlance, where you also knew the story line from the main books and you had a shitload of books that didn't do anything for the story line except adding confusion.
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