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I don't think its that. For once in Brittania's troubled history there are no factions at the moment. They're all plotting to steal each others' land and kill various people I don't care about enough to stop them from killing. Nobody is plotting against me directly (that I know of). e; I have been busted in a couple unrelated assassination plots and it's generally known I will assassinate the gently caress out of anyone if I stand to gain from it. Maybe it's that?
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Dallan Invictus posted:Everyone who dislikes blobs or alternatively wants an actual challenge even after they've conquered half the map? Yeah, this looks like a really nice change. I might actually be able to fight huge mega-empires without having to become a megablob myself, and I might actually find the game interesting & challenging once I get past ~200 holdings. Pretty psyched to start playing again, once Paradox releases the hotfix for the SoA patch's issues.
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Nov 19, 2013 21:05
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Clanpot Shake posted:I don't think its that. For once in Brittania's troubled history there are no factions at the moment. They're all plotting to steal each others' land and kill various people I don't care about enough to stop them from killing. Nobody is plotting against me directly (that I know of). No, Dauntasa explained it correctly, it's the ultimatum thing. There is however a glitch where some characters will get stuck with that flag for the rest of their lives; I've had it happen in my game too. The only clean fix was to open the save file with a text editor, find that character, and manually delete the flag from their entry. Chalk it up as another reason not to bother with Ironman in Paradox games
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Nov 19, 2013 21:33
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It just occurred to me that a nerf to levies means that playing as a merchant republic just got easier, since they rely on mercs and retinues.
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Nov 19, 2013 21:36
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I don't really understand the point of ironman mode. Is it just for people with no self control? I will admit to very occasionally savescumming but 90% of the time I have no problem resisting the temptation.
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Nov 19, 2013 21:37
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DStecks posted:It just occurred to me that a nerf to levies means that playing as a merchant republic just got easier, since they rely on mercs and retinues. They did increase the cost of mercs and retinues by 20% as well but I dunno how big of a difference that will make in reality.
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Nov 19, 2013 21:39
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Gwyrgyn Blood posted:They did increase the cost of mercs and retinues by 20% as well but I dunno how big of a difference that will make in reality. Not much for a developed Merchant Republic with a good trade network.
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Nov 19, 2013 21:41
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NihilCredo posted:No, Dauntasa explained it correctly, it's the ultimatum thing. There is however a glitch where some characters will get stuck with that flag for the rest of their lives; I've had it happen in my game too. This is probably it. At some point I assassinated a faction's claimant after I rejected their ultimatum but before the war broke out.
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Nov 19, 2013 21:46
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Today I learned the danger in marrying a king possessed by Satan to a zealot. So much work undone.  EDIT: Ha, she got sick and went infirm. Good luck ruling Hungary now. EDIT 2: God drat it. My own son.  EDIT 3: the kinslayer trait is making me regret installing my family members in ever position of power. everything is terrible. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Nov 19, 2013 |
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Nov 19, 2013 22:09
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marktheando posted:I don't really understand the point of ironman mode. Is it just for people with no self control? I will admit to very occasionally savescumming but 90% of the time I have no problem resisting the temptation. So what about that other 10% of the time?
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Ithle01 posted:So what about that other 10% of the time? Assassinations.  Honestly though, I think paid hits could stand to have a boost to their chance to succeed, or at least let you spend more to increase the odds of it working. As it is, it's way too easy to savescum assassinations until they work, and without Ironman there isn't much incentive not to. It ultimately boils down to how Paradox wants to balance plot vs. paid assassinations. DStecks fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Nov 19, 2013 |
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Nov 19, 2013 22:43
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With all the CK2+ chat, is there a handy guide to what exactly it does?
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Nov 19, 2013 22:44
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DStecks posted:Assassinations. Hah, pretty much. The occasional diplo-assassination and very occasional super inconvenient ruler death are when I'm most tempted to savescum.
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Nov 19, 2013 22:58
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DStecks posted:It just occurred to me that a nerf to levies means that playing as a merchant republic just got easier, since they rely on mercs and retinues. Yes and no. They nerfed levies in large blobs and from outlying vassals, but the sort of prey that republics usually pick on - OPMs, small duchies, and weak kingdoms - are mostly unchanged.
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Nov 19, 2013 23:02
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You wouldn't suggest buying the SoA DLC right now? I wanted to try the new features, but reading this thread makes me thing I'll be better off waiting until a sale, is that right?
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radlum posted:You wouldn't suggest buying the SoA DLC right now? I wanted to try the new features, but reading this thread makes me thing I'll be better off waiting until a sale, is that right? Its still good, if your short of cash then wait, but if you wan't to give it a shot go for it.
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marktheando posted:I don't really understand the point of ironman mode. Is it just for people with no self control? I will admit to very occasionally savescumming but 90% of the time I have no problem resisting the temptation. In the two or three years I've been playing Paradox games, I think I've save-scummed twice. It's my crippling addiction to console-cheating that I need to be forcefully broken from, and the main reason I play ironman. So yeah, essentially, people with no self-control. I also really like achievements more than I probably should care about meaningless internet video game badges, so it's nice to get those, too.
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I can't say I really care for where CK2+ has been taken by the new crew. It's adding more and more bullshit that either should be optional submods or added by the player themselves if they wanted the mod. Wiz focused on mechanics that seemed broken or were irritating and did what he could to fix them in a manner he felt was appropriate. His faction v1.0 stuff made rebellions more than 1 province whack-a-mole then moved to the V2.0 court factions. Both improved the functionality of a rather arbitrary system. Not to mention the decadence system which gimped Muslim states or forced the player into tedious pruning of the family. I dont care for gobbledegook Welsh and Greek names all over the map. I also don't want extra provinces in a both strong and unstable kingdom like France. All the way to Timbuktu being incorporated added provinces in areas on the map that had none and usually had no effect on gameplay. I'd rather there be a "Legacy" package CK2+ that consisted of Wiz's poo poo ported to the latest patch and keep the current stuff in it's own present package.
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alcaras posted:Is there a decent Republic LP anywhere? The main LP thread cuts off after three Republic entries. Specifically, I've read about getting plots to revoke trade posts from rival families... but I don't see any such plots available. I'm going to write up a small one for getting started once I've settled in to the new patch/DLC.
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I was wondering why my characters nephew kept asking me for permission to marry women from my court, and then I looked at his profile and discovered that he had the lunatic trait and he'd some how managed to murder 9 wives over the whole of his adult life. So I'd basically just been supplying my insane psychopathic nephew with women to slaughter.
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Does installing an antipope as an emperor still vassalize the Papacy? Does it remain vassalized upon Papal succession?
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PleasingFungus posted:Yeah, this looks like a really nice change. I might actually be able to fight huge mega-empires without having to become a megablob myself, and I might actually find the game interesting & challenging once I get past ~200 holdings. Yeah, it just doesn't compute. There is no logic here. "Levy nerfs are nice, I might be able to fight mega empires without becoming a mega empire myself." -> "might find the game interesting and challenging once I get past 200 holdings".  These kind of people, that complain about blobbing and mega empires, because they cannot win fights against them, and then say the game is too easy once they become big enough, are just the worst. I am playing as Venice having a really fun time (OG start). The Karlings have formed the HRE and Francia (two different realms, and rather close to their de jure borders), while Italy has a non-Karling king. The Byzantine Empire is strong, having recovered their lands in Asia. I have sniped most of Sicily and much of the Adriatic coast, but live in constant fear of the two Empires and the Italians. The HRE can muster 100k men, the Byzantines 80k, and the Italians about 25k, while I can only raise about 30k men. With the help of better tactics and mercenaries I can fight off any particular Empire, but when my troops are exhausted after forcing a white peace the other Empire has the tendency to declare war as well, sometimes joined by the Italians wanting some of de jure Italy back. If both the HRE and the Byzantines declare war, I will loose. You have to play around it, either sucking up to one of the big empires, engineering succession crises or forging an alliance per marriage. It is really fun, the constant back and forth, slowly making progress even against the inevitable setback. But nooo, lets nerf levies and blobbing, the game is much more fun if the AI cannot form big rival nations that are a credible challenge to the player. I cannot understand that. If the enemy is too big and strong while you are a small duke or something then you should not expect to be able to win a fight against them. Get an alliance to another powerful ruler, suck up to the blobbing emperor, use smart assassinations/plots to weaken them, or swear fealty and destroy them from within. Play around your weakness instead of getting the developers to nerf big empires/kingdoms.
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Torrannor posted:But nooo, lets nerf levies and blobbing, the game is much more fun if the AI cannot form big rival nations that are a credible challenge to the player. You know that the nerfs affect player nations too, right? Torrannor posted:"Levy nerfs are nice, I might be able to fight mega empires without becoming a mega empire myself." -> "might find the game interesting and challenging once I get past 200 holdings". I'm not sure what your issue with this statement is. The patch makes smaller nations proportionately larger threats to big nations, both when the player is growing, and when they are defending later on.
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Rumda posted:I say it here the addition of the Europa Divisia map was the worst decision the CK2+ continuation team has ever made. At least it wasn't SWMH. I'm still pushing that if any other map changes get made, that the Caspian sea area gets fixed. It's still quite atrocious.
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Man the Khazars don't catch a break. Since their title is um.. Titular, they get reduced levies on top of an already difficult starting position. Being Invaded by literally every single neighbour is a little tricky when you can raise 4k including event troops.
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YouTuber posted:I'd rather there be a "Legacy" package CK2+ that consisted of Wiz's poo poo ported to the latest patch and keep the current stuff in it's own present package. I'm not quite saying to go that far the last version released, wasn't bad I think maybe make ancient religions a submod because I know people don't like it, the petter ambitions and objectives mod integrates well, and no hassles vassals is handy, but yeah we were talking about creating a ck2+goon fork while we were playing muliplayer last night but none of us had the skills or time to implement it, at least it would need removal or massive over haul of the ck2+ levy limitations and the excision of the Jewish mechanics which are over shadowed by the new jewness. WilliamAnderson posted:At least it wasn't SWMH. I'm still pushing that if any other map changes get made, that the Caspian sea area gets fixed. It's still quite atrocious. Pleas tell me no one was pushing for SWMH...
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You're talking like the nerfs make small nations better than big ones, when that isn't the case at all. You're also talking about the changes in terms of how they affect wars between two independent realms, when the meat of it is designed to affect liege-vassal wars. The change adds diminishing returns to further territory gains, so a big empire is still strong, but it's harder for a country to snowball out of control. You've very clearly never played a game where you're a duke inside MegaFrancia which has sprawled to include most of Christendom, meaning that you will probably be stuck in your position for the rest of the game because the Emperor will be able to roflstomp any rebellion. Blobs ruin a game. Also, FYI, this: Torrannor posted:These kind of people, that complain about blobbing and mega empires, because they cannot win fights against them, and then say the game is too easy once they become big enough, are just the worst. Is not a contradiction.
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Yeah yesterday we saw religious rebels ACTUALLY win in our multiplayer game, so the fixes are a step in the right direction
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QuoProQuid posted:EDIT 3: the kinslayer trait is making me regret installing my family members in ever position of power. everything is terrible. The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Games > Crusader Kings II: Making me regret installing my family members in ever position of power. everything is terrible.
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Necroneocon posted:Goons: Don't play the game how you want to play it unless it involves keeping incest. Did you quote the wrong person or something? The person you quoted seemed to be telling people to stop accusing people of being MRA's.
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Dallan Invictus posted:Everyone who dislikes blobs or alternatively wants an actual challenge even after they've conquered half the map? If you want to stay in your de jure borders for 300 years managing affairs of state, then that option is already available to you. If you want to augment that by installing dynasty members into distant independent kingdoms, then you've always had that too. There's no doubt that now the game will be much harder once you've conquered half the map, but why would you bother? Just sit in your little kingdom and enjoy being far more powerful than large empires. I guess I don't see the point in making expansion bad in a game where every possible action is designed around expansion.
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fool_of_sound posted:Does installing an antipope as an emperor still vassalize the Papacy? Does it remain vassalized upon Papal succession? Just checked: yes and yes. Interestingly, setting up an antipope will disqualify you from nominating any further bishops to the college of cardinals (obviously), but because all the bishops in your realm are now subserviant to your antipope, those already in the college of cardinals will immediately get kicked out and replaced over the next few months. So, uh, if your antipope doesn't work out then you can screw yourself over pretty hard. Risk/reward to it.
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I lost like 65% of my 220kish-vassal levies as Francia occupying all of Spain and Africa, and was like whaaaa, then I read about the patch. The only war that was a challenge before was a crusade without decent allies, I like the change.
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QuoProQuid posted:EDIT 3: the kinslayer trait is making me regret installing my family members in ever position of power. everything is terrible. This post is peak CK2. I love it.
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WEREWAIF posted:I lost like 65% of my 220kish-vassal levies as Francia occupying all of Spain and Africa, and was like whaaaa, then I read about the patch. The only war that was a challenge before was a crusade without decent allies, I like the change. I don't really consider it a nerf, because all kingdoms are affected equally based on size. Your mega-Francia is weaker, but so are the mega-Abbasids. End result? More or less the same situation.
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Mailer posted:Just sit in your little kingdom and enjoy being far more powerful than large empires. But you're not "far more powerful than large empires" as a small player, it's just that now the large empire isn't completely invulnerable to either internal or external threats and can't necessarily levy more than the rest of the world combined? Expansion isn't bad, it's just not as good as it used to be and you still have things to worry about once you've expanded.
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The latest CK+ has some interesting bugs, to say the least. I've being spammed constantly with Sunset Invasion events; what makes this especially hilarious is that the Aztec invasion armies are being distributed to totally random characters across the map every time this happens. The Pope and the Count of Capua just had a cordial argument that ended in a battle of over seven hundred thousand men.
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Mailer posted:If you want to stay in your de jure borders for 300 years managing affairs of state, then that option is already available to you. If you want to augment that by installing dynasty members into distant independent kingdoms, then you've always had that too. There's no doubt that now the game will be much harder once you've conquered half the map, but why would you bother? Just sit in your little kingdom and enjoy being far more powerful than large empires. It's not punishing expansion, it's just lowering the benefits of expansion beyond a certain point. Your mega-empire will still have an advantage over smaller empires and kingdoms, it just doesn't have as much as an advantage, so you're more vulnerable to your vassals and to large alliances and you can't just effortlessly curbstomp literally everything that isn't another mega-empire blob.
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