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Fandyien posted:The Jeffersons weren't really affluent though, were they? Like they moved on up to a deluxe apartment because of some serendipitous circumstances but were still poor as heck. I remember a bunch of episodes that were actually pretty honest depictions of how minorities struggle with poverty in the U.S. It's still racist but in the "all black people are alike so mentioning this black man next to another black man is HILARIOUS" kinda way.
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Guilty Spork posted:A friend who's kind of moderate right-wing semi-libertarian but fairly chill overall posted about how he's kinda uncomfortable with the guaranteed income idea, I guess because those dirty poors don't deserve basic food and shelter or upwards mobility or anything. What follows is two of his friends who I don't know having a Facebook Argument, with Benny Ficial FYGM-ing it up. You should friend Justin Case because he is awesome and I bet his posts are great. Actually I want to friend him too. Is that creepy? Oh god, that's creepy  Duke Igthorn posted:"It's not the government's job to protect you!" "It's not the government's job to protect you! Now shutup, go buy a firearm and stop voting for ignorant liberals!" Liberals think that the problems of capitalism can be solved by taxing capital and throwing just enough money to labor to keep the starving masses from open revolt, but as truly class conscious fighters we must stop depending on bourgeois democracy, arm ourselves, and take what is rightfully ours! A Revolutionary JPEG. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Nov 19, 2013 |
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Duke Igthorn posted:Nope, George Jefferson owned a chain of laundromats. He worked his way up from nothing but still was treated like a friend of the family by white folks so he had an understandable distrust of whitey. Yeah I had it mixed up with Good Times, which is an incredible show.
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Dyz posted:It's like this guy doesn't understand that there's a difference between being born in the ghetto and going to P.S. 149 and being born in the suburbs and going to Isaac Newton IB high school. He reminds me of this terrible article from a few years ago. http://www.forbes.com/sites/quickerbettertech/2011/12/12/if-i-was-a-poor-black-kid/
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Dyz posted:It's like this guy doesn't understand that there's a difference between being born in the ghetto and going to P.S. 149 and being born in the suburbs and going to Isaac Newton IB high school. What's baffling is that everybody knows you don't make those choices on your own accord. There's is not a parent on this planet that does not want their child to live in a good community, go to a good school etc. They instinctively know it matters! Basically they have a puzzle with two pieces but they just can't fit them together...
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Fandyien posted:Yeah I had it mixed up with Good Times, which is an incredible show. Oh ho, so I guess you think all Black shows are the same, huh?  Though if I remember correctly I think Good Times took place in a housing project.
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This just showed up on my feed - obvious right-wing satire, but then my friend's racism kind of startled me.   Here's the article she linked. It's got that obvious "THIS IS WHAT OBUMMER OBVIOUSLY REALLY WANTS TO DO, LOL" vibe that all conservative satire seems to have. http://thelibertydigest.com/2013/11/17/a-fond-farewell-to-lady-liberty-may-be-on-the-horizon/ smilingfish fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Nov 19, 2013 |
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Nov 19, 2013 21:52
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smilingfish posted:This just showed up on my feed - obvious right-wing satire, but then my friend's racism kind of startled me. I'm glad you called it like it is instead of going for some long debate with facts and links the OP would've never cared about.
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Fandyien posted:The Jeffersons weren't really affluent though, were they? Like they moved on up to a deluxe apartment because of some serendipitous circumstances but were still poor as heck. I remember a bunch of episodes that were actually pretty honest depictions of how minorities struggle with poverty in the U.S. A little of both, they were middle class neighbors of the Bunkers until George got rear-ended by a bus, won a civil suit, and used the money to open his own dry cleaners. From there he was able to expand his business until they were legitimately wealthy. It still started because of an injury inflicted by the city. The show was pretty 'realistic' or at least honest about urban poverty and class issues.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:A little of both, they were middle class neighbors of the Bunkers until George got rear-ended by a bus, won a civil suit, and used the money to open his own dry cleaners. From there he was able to expand his business until they were legitimately wealthy. It still started because of an injury inflicted by the city. The show was pretty 'realistic' or at least honest about urban poverty and class issues. Obviously they needed some tort reform on that show.
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Amused to Death posted:I'm glad you called it like it is instead of going for some long debate with facts and links the OP would've never cared about. I've been helping my fiancee's son learn how to do that, too. He just wound up in a debate over whether or not the book To Train Up A Child is criminal speech, being arguably an incitement to child abuse that has been linked to three child deaths. Once his opponent started using phrases like "initiation of force is inherently illegitimate" and going on about enforcing standards via a system that both parties agree to, I told him he was talking to a lolbertarian and he'd have a better time eating his desk. He's currently engaged in a much more constructive activity - video games.
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Amused to Death posted:I'm glad you called it like it is instead of going for some long debate with facts and links the OP would've never cared about. She has already removed the post. I call that a victory.
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Laminator posted:7k would cover about 1 to 2 days in a hospital, just to have a room to yourself (meals are complementary!). Hopefully you're not in any state of sickness needing routine blood tests, because a CBC + electrolytes and liver enzymes (CMP) will run you $500. These tests are often run daily, sometimes multiple times a day, and are automated through a machine in the lab. If you're dehydrated they might check a magnesium level, which by itself runs $160. It costs more because a lab tech has to manually enter in just one test to run. God forbid you need an advanced blood test, because who the hell knows how much that costs. Well you're close but since I process insurance claims day in and say out I should mention that it all depends on the hospital. These might be reasonably accurate rates for a cheap hospital but on average a 2 day stay is going to cost you anywhere from 5 to 35k depending on the stars, the moons, the mood of the doctor seeing you and how in bed the hospital is with the insurance providers. Hell I've seen hospitals that happily charge 17 k for CT scans alone. As an aside working there is the most soul-draining experience of my life. Guess I better bootstrap myself up and find a better job since I hear they're just growing on trees these days! Person Dyslexic fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Nov 20, 2013 |
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Nov 20, 2013 03:30
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I just had someone post this article with "TRUTH BE TOLD!". BUT IT'S OK GUYS CAUSE THE REPORTER'S BLACK! http://letvent.com/2013/11/07/a-black-reporter-summarizes-barack-obama/
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Scruff McGruff posted:I just had someone post this article with "TRUTH BE TOLD!". BUT IT'S OK GUYS CAUSE THE REPORTER'S BLACK! People of all colors can hold really lovely, disingenuous points of view. Truly racism is dead.
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Scruff McGruff posted:I just had someone post this article with "TRUTH BE TOLD!". BUT IT'S OK GUYS CAUSE THE REPORTER'S BLACK! Why the heck does the writer's race have any bearing on the article? The important part is that the guy who wrote it, Mychal Massie, is an arch-conservative Tea Party guy, not a legitimate reporter or anything. Congratulations you found a black man stupid enough to fall for your stupid values, better run that into the ground. Also I wish people cried racism as much as conservatives seem to think they do. There's so much racism that goes unchallenged in our society.
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Rosalind posted:Why the heck does the writer's race have any bearing on the article? If I can find an article critical of Obama by a black journalist, then he becomes "my black friend" and I can hate Obama for any racist reason I want. If that black journalist actually uses racist terms either because he actually is racist, or even if he's just classist and is therefore indifferent to the poverty of black people then that's even better because I can now be at least as racist as he is and hide behind his skin color when called out.
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VitalSigns posted:If I can find an article critical of Obama by a black journalist, then he becomes "my black friend" and I can hate Obama for any racist reason I want. If that black journalist actually uses racist terms either because he actually is racist, or even if he's just classist and is therefore indifferent to the poverty of black people then that's even better because I can now be at least as racist as he is and hide behind his skin color when called out. Obviously black people can't be racist against their own group, duh.  It's just like how Ann Coulter or Phylis Schlafly aren't being horrible misogynists when they say women shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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Wanamingo posted:Obviously black people can't be racist against their own group, duh.
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You gotta post the video, dude. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4Zh3roRxY4 Dave Chappelle's Black KKK Member skit, in case posting videos without description is probatable here.
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Does anybody have a copy of Fukishima effortpost? I've seen about 5 facebook posts about how we are all going to be poisoned any second now by waves of radiation.
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My mom eats up every right wing talking point with no skepticism whatsoever. So she tells me I have to read this thing her LIBERAL (this was stressed) friends sent her. It was the forward about Irena Sendler and how she didn't get the Peace Prize and instead it was awarded to Al Gore. http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/sendler.asp The forward has since been updated to be more critical of Gore ("he won it for one slide") and also a new paragraph where Obama won the prize in 2011 for his work at Acorn dispelling any illusion of it being non-partisan. I got kind of pissed and told her straight that that kind of thing is bull and not to waste my time with that crap. Not only is that Acorn poo poo absurd and obviously not true, in my opinion it cheapens what Sendler did since the real message of the forward isn't that this woman did something amazing, it's that the biased Peace Prize committee is in the take for American Democrats and she is just a tool to propagate that message. I'm not a big fan of the Peace Prize anyway when Henry Kissinger gets one but that kind of two faced argument rubs me the wrong way. I felt bad since she loses all critical thinking as soon as a Democrat is mentioned for whatever triggered brainwashing she got from Fox News and AM radio but it pissed me off something fierce. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Nov 20, 2013 |
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Radish posted:*snip* We are spending Thanksgiving at my Tea Partier aunt's house. I don't know how I'm going to be able to eat, since doing so will require me to stop clenching my jaw and gritting my teeth first.
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CarterUSM posted:We are spending Thanksgiving at my Tea Partier aunt's house. I don't know how I'm going to be able to eat, since doing so will require me to stop clenching my jaw and gritting my teeth first. Maybe we should start a "horrible things my reactionary family says" thread for goons to vent their holiday miseries. Might make for more peaceful dinner tables across the land? I get to hear more "back-alley abortion deaths never happened and even if there were a few, that's what those women deserved for being sluts."  VVVV Then I'll do my part to make everyone's lives worse by posting the most racist and horrible right-wing things I hear at the table...after I excuse myself to my room to scream them into my pillow 
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VitalSigns posted:Maybe we should start a "horrible things my reactionary family says" thread for goons to vent their holiday miseries. Might make for more peaceful dinner tables across the land? That basically is this thread. It's a catchall for 'terrible things your friends and family and friends of friends somehow communicated through email, social networks, over the phone, in person, etc.,' only we will never replace it with a more accurate thread because we want to preserve the OP for obvious reasons.
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I think I've gotten the most bizarre defense of how a Christian can oppose welfare that I've ever seen. I won't reproduce our whole discussion, but basically he said our disagreement is idealism vs cynicism, and when I asked him if he means I'm cynic, I got:  VVVVVVV I asked him why private charity was unable to deal with the actual, widespread starvation during the Great Depression, but he never answered, so conversation over, I guess. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Nov 20, 2013 |
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So you asked him how he came to the conclusion that welfare = starvation, right?
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1stGear posted:So you asked him how he came to the conclusion that welfare = starvation, right? I mean, he's clearly not thinking very hard about it, since if he were he'd realize that the result of that would no different than a system of private charity that he clearly prefers, but come on.
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 I don't wanna watch this video and give them hits but I'm pretty sure it's bullshit She is a Tea Partier and brings up politics all the time but if anyone corrects her WE'RE being "rude" and "divisive". How do you handle people like this? I don't want to just smile and nod, because I don't want her to think her behavior is acceptable 
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CarterUSM posted:We are spending Thanksgiving at my Tea Partier aunt's house. I don't know how I'm going to be able to eat, since doing so will require me to stop clenching my jaw and gritting my teeth first. Just be as condescending as possible every time she tries to talk politics to you. Raise your eyebrows and go "OooooOOOooohh!! FaaAAascinating!" 'cause really, what's the point of correcting her? At the very least just wave her away when she starts talking politics and change the subject. For content I had a friend of a friend link to an "expose" on the "knockout game" on the Independant Review Journal.com quote:You won’t believe what kids are doing for fun these days. It’s a game, called Knockout, where you hit a random person in the head, with the goal of hitting them so hard that they pass out. Behold – the future of America, folks I pointed out that IRJ is a very obviously biased site and that the video is pretty blatantly racist and, no offense, linking to a site one step removed from Stormfront might not be something you want to be associated with (and Jesus Christ if you can stand it sample the comments) and he FREAKED the gently caress out accusing me of calling him a Nazi so I defriended him.
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PUGGERNAUT posted:
Maybe you could ask her politely not to bring up politics with you? Generally if someone brings up or posts politics and then gets upset when I respond, I just tell them that if they don't want to discuss politics then they shouldn't bring up the subject.
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VitalSigns posted:I think I've gotten the most bizarre defense of how a Christian can oppose welfare that I've ever seen. I won't reproduce our whole discussion, but basically he said our disagreement is idealism vs cynicism, and when I asked him if he means I'm cynic, I got: That guy's writing is insufferable.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:That guy's writing is insufferable. Oh God, you have no idea. There's a reason I didn't make you wade through the whole conversation.
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That is a good rule.
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PUGGERNAUT posted:
My mom does the same. "Mom, do you really think I'm an evil American hating Jihadist? That's not really nice." "WELL I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT YOU, JUST ALL OF THOSE OTHER LEFTARDS"
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I am not going to translate the whole exchange from Hebrew, but a Facebook friend was misreading an opinion survey among Israeli Jews about their views of various subcultures and institutions. Not only did they and their other friends, as well as the original posters, completely misread the graph to find themselves, radical leftists, as the most hated (it was actually draft-dodgers and tycoons :shh:), but they then say it's a completely useless survey. I respond by suggesting that maybe if they want to change Israeli minds, they might want to know what Israeli views are, to better tailor propaganda, activities, etc. One person responds that they don't feel the need to be popular, and then cites Martin Luther King. Yes, whenever I think of a radical left-wing leader who completely ignored the views of the people whose opinions he was trying to changee, MLK is the first one to come to mind.
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PUGGERNAUT posted:
If she thinks you are being rude and divisive might as well go hog wild and be what they already think you are sometimes it is the only language they understand.
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