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I've been hunting high and low and haven't been able to find stats for Valkyries, are they listed anywhere?
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Take a chimera, drop the front and side armour a bit, make it fly.
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Nov 14, 2013 20:42
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Make it open topped too (with a possible rule exception for the pilot), what with the open doors and the need for the passengers to jump out quickly. Here's a quick mock up:quote:Valkyrie Gunship Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Nov 14, 2013 |
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Nov 14, 2013 21:51
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goatface posted:Take a chimera, drop the front and side armour a bit, make it fly. We're not Orks, come on. (But yes thats a perfectly serviceable Valkyrie, just staple some autocannons on the front/bolter sponsons on the back)
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Nov 14, 2013 21:54
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Quick question, can you take (and use) the Raptor talent in Black Crusade if you have wings but no jetpack? If so, would it still require Operate (Aeronautica)?
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Nov 14, 2013 22:03
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Ronwayne posted:Quick question, can you take (and use) the Raptor talent in Black Crusade if you have wings but no jetpack? If so, would it still require Operate (Aeronautica)? From what I remember from my quick skim-through of the rules, yes, you can take Raptor with just wings. For your second question, I honestly don't have a clue - however, logic says that since wings are organic you wouldn't require a machine oriented skill.
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Nov 16, 2013 23:49
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Is there a reason why I wouldn't use full auto all the time in DH? It seems to be an almost guaranteed 2 DoS.
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Nov 17, 2013 00:49
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B.B. Rodriguez posted:Is there a reason why I wouldn't use full auto all the time in DH? It seems to be an almost guaranteed 2 DoS. In Black Crusade and up, it's -10 to hit for full auto, +0 for semi-auto, +10 for single shot rather than +20/+10/+0. And they're all half actions so you don't just sit full action attacking and never move.
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Nov 17, 2013 00:52
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Just a drive-by cross-post from the Book Barn. A small group finding out that the Emperor of Mankind is the Chaos God of Pride sounds like it might be good fodder for a game.
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Nov 17, 2013 01:59
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Talkie Toaster posted:No and that's why they changed it after Rogue Trader. That makes a ton of sense. I guess my dude is going to go full on dakka and try for a heavy stubber.
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Nov 17, 2013 02:12
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Yea, the basic DH rules make full-auto a total no brainer. It's not strictly unbalancing because basically everyone can do it, but it does tend to result in everyone just buying autoguns and poo poo and ignoring all the other weapon types (to say nothing of melee). We swapped to using one of the later system rules for combat, which is easy, because it made other choices a little more comparable.
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Nov 17, 2013 02:37
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B.B. Rodriguez posted:Is there a reason why I wouldn't use full auto all the time in DH? It seems to be an almost guaranteed 2 DoS. Depends on the enemy, high toughness/armour enemies make full auto rather lovely compared to accurate weapons. If your just going up against lightly armoured humans then full auto generally solves your problems.
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Nov 17, 2013 03:01
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kingcom posted:compared to accurate weapons. Seriously, in DH I'll take an accurate weapon any day, because that bonus damage is beautiful.
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Nov 17, 2013 06:42
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Talkie Toaster posted:No and that's why they changed it after Rogue Trader. Ah, well it's still that way in Deathwatch, which make Devastator Marines with Heavy Bolters absolutely terrifying against Hordes.
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Nov 19, 2013 17:36
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Oh crap. Our DM sent us a fluff text as compensation for the fact that we can't have a session this week, and it seems to imply that our RT group accidentally woke up a Necron tomb by being very loud outside its door. WELP. Great job team, highly competent as always.
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Nov 19, 2013 22:56
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Try and sell them some metal polish and a shamwow.
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Nov 19, 2013 23:03
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goatface posted:Try and sell them some metal polish and a shamwow. Steal one, recruit it.
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Nov 19, 2013 23:05
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Steal one of the guns, sell it to an Ork and see what happens. Tell them their monolith is no longer up to emissions standards and they'll have to pay a bonus tax. goatface fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Nov 19, 2013 |
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Nov 19, 2013 23:09
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Paint yourself grey and try to blend in.
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Nov 19, 2013 23:15
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Honestly speaking the stealing one and recruiting it is something our group would do. Or stealing one of their guns, but no need to sell it to an Ork, we have an Ork Kommando PC and an Ork Weirdboy PC, just give it to one of them. Or more likely one of the Weirdboy's minders. Maybe to the one the Weirdboy gave a looted conversion field.
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Nov 19, 2013 23:20
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You really need a loota or a mek. Someone who'll try their hardest to make it better.
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Nov 19, 2013 23:27
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goatface posted:You really need a loota or a mek. Someone who'll try their hardest to make it better. Well my Explorator/Genetor/Xenographer/horrible person is batshit insane and gives no fucks about tech-heresy and could try to do that... problem is that I haven't used any exp into improving Tech-use. On rank 5, almost 6. In my defense she is a Magos Biologis lunatic who while working with Ordo Xenos did some genesplicing with Tyranid genes. On herself. Necron guns would probably just blow up out of spite if she tried to tinker with them. Too bad our other Explorator turned traitor, now our Seneschal is the guy with the best tech-use. Maybe I have to make him a trainee enginseer or something so there's someone who can legally and competently fix our ship when it breaks down... That way I can also focus on my illegal genetic experiments. Plus the Weirdboy has Tech-Use too! I am certain he can competently tinker with them, yep. With his sub-30 int. And no improvements on Tech-Use besides having the skill.
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Nov 19, 2013 23:48
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Convince them that you are the rightful heir to the planet and their true leader, then take them on a crusade against whoever last annoyed you.
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Nov 19, 2013 23:50
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goatface posted:You really need a loota or a mek. Someone who'll try their hardest to make it better. Now I can see it in the hands of some Flash Git who put loads of bits and gubbins on it to make it way more dakka and possibly even make it shoot rokkits and other great things.
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Nov 20, 2013 00:47
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So according to a friend of mine, it's possible to get infinite Psy Rating and infinite Armor in Black Crusade in like a minute. Wear decent armor, have a decent toughness. Cast Regeneration. Cast Boon of Tzeentch, increasing your psy rating by degrees of success. Cast Telekinetic Shield, increasing your armor by Psy Rating. You then take d5+your psy rating armor, pen 4. This should do 1-5 damage. Cast Boon again, then again (again with 1-5 damage which you should be able to tank with your regen. If it starts to add up, wait a turn or two) to get an even higher increased Psy Rating. Cast it for a third time, then cast TK Shield again. Keep this chain up, casting progressively more Boons of Tzeentch before casting your TK shield to boost it to a level where it can keep up with your rapidly advancing Psy Rating. After a few loops of this you should have a Psy Rating to rival the Emperor himself and Armor greater than a Warhound titan. At this point, you can save up your Psy Rating for a spell that would fell said titan. You then have to recast the latest Boon of Tzeentch chain again to pump your PR up to titanslaying levels again, but in the meantime you still have your arbitrarily high armor. Any problems with this? I haven't read Black Crusade, but if these powers work the way he says they do it seems like it should work.
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Nov 21, 2013 05:08
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quote:Sustaining multiple powers is more difficult and more tiring. Any character attempting to sustain two or more powers at once must spend the longest action from the Sustain Requirements of all the powers being sustained, and reduces the effective Psy Rating for each power by the number of powers being sustained. More perilous still, the amount of energy the psyker is attempting to wield becomes unstable, swiftly going out of control at the most minor slip of concentration. Should the psyker cause Psychic Phenomena while sustaining more than one power, then he should add +10 to the result rolled on Table 6–2: Psychic Phenomena for every power after the first being sustained. Basically, the moment you start to go into liftoff, you explode into a million Horrors.
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Nov 21, 2013 05:18
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If Tzeentch is giving you near-infinite power, something is probably about to go utterly and horrifically wrong.
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Nov 21, 2013 05:22
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It's not a question of right or wrong, but whether the end result is going to be hilarious. In your case, by all means, go ahead.
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Nov 21, 2013 05:24
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Surely that doesn't come into effect at all? The only power you're sustaining is TK Shield. Each Boon is an instant action that isn't sustained at all - it just makes the next one increasingly powerful.
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Nov 21, 2013 05:29
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Doodmons posted:So according to a friend of mine, it's possible to get infinite Psy Rating and infinite Armor in Black Crusade in like a minute. This is exactly what every failed Sorcerer tries.
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Nov 21, 2013 06:26
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"Hey everyone I found a way to get infinite power from worshiping the Dark Gods." *Instantly dissolves into a Pink Horror puddle.*
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Nov 21, 2013 06:28
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Of course, now I'm wondering what happens if Tzeentch decides to just roll with it. Maybe he shows up, claps you on the shoulder and tells you you're now all-powerful and the new God of Change, have fun fighting the three other Chaos Gods, he's going to take a vacation. Maybe "Tzeentch" is actually a succession of ascended sorcerers just waiting for the next loopholing dumbshit to come along and take their place fighting the Eternal War 
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Nov 21, 2013 06:31
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Doesn't this rely on never ending up on the business end of the mishap chart? So unless you can somehow end-run around the die mechanics to never ever fail the relevant rolls, sooner or later you're gonna blow up your head trying or osmething.
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Nov 21, 2013 06:35
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Zereth posted:Doesn't this rely on never ending up on the business end of the mishap chart? Given that this entire thought exercise is based on hubris, that seems kind of fitting, doesn't it? Also, which psychic powers system does Black Crusade use? There have been a couple and that's the one game I don't have. If Fettered is a thing, then it can be done safely, if at half speed.
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Nov 21, 2013 13:47
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Psy Rating caps at 10.
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Nov 21, 2013 14:11
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Pyrolocutus posted:Of course, now I'm wondering what happens if Tzeentch decides to just roll with it. Maybe he shows up, claps you on the shoulder and tells you you're now all-powerful and the new God of Change, have fun fighting the three other Chaos Gods, he's going to take a vacation. This is the best idea. Killing the sorcerer is too easy and straightforward for the Changer of Ways. Waci posted:Psy Rating caps at 10.
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Nov 21, 2013 15:10
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Waci posted:Psy Rating caps at 10. Literally the only weapon in the entire line that has a chance of damaging you through that is a Tachyon Arrow(10d10) or a fellow sorcerer with Primordial Annihilation(PRd10)
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Nov 21, 2013 15:46
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Really though if one of my players was doing that I'd be scheduling him an appointment with a Culexus assassin and a fresh character sheet.
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Nov 21, 2013 15:51
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I forget how BC works, but aren't you still vulnerable to someone getting Righteous Fury criticals on you? Not sure those could take you apart but I think they'd disrupt your sustaining, etc. Edit: And, as above, doing this and smirking about how indestructible you are is basically inviting the GM to stomp your face. Even if they don't, you have essentially ruined the game for all your friends, so good job being a tremendous cock who doesn't get invited to the next campaign.
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It's still less indestructible than an Ascension Vidicare who bought everything Dodge and Agility related. The only thing that might kill one is the bloodthirster from the tome of blood, depending on who's "you can dodge the undodgeabe" and "your attacks can not be dodged" takes precedence.
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