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Took my car to a stealership, they claim that the turbo itself needs replacing. The explanation the guy gave was that it "couldn't keep up with the engine" any more, whatever that means (I guess he means it is broken for high boost). I cant see how this would even be possible, surely if the turbo is not getting full pressure it is to do with some kind of vacuum or exhaust leak. I mean is it possible for a turbo to partially fail? Any suggestions?
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Flying_Dane posted:Took my car to a stealership, they claim that the turbo itself needs replacing. The explanation the guy gave was that it "couldn't keep up with the engine" any more, whatever that means (I guess he means it is broken for high boost). I cant see how this would even be possible, surely if the turbo is not getting full pressure it is to do with some kind of vacuum or exhaust leak. I mean is it possible for a turbo to partially fail? Any suggestions? What car do you have, what year? That explanation is complete horseshit. If it's worn out, you'll have some play in the shaft. Precisely what issues are you seeing, and what lead to this shithouse response?
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2000 9-5 Aero 2.3t (B235R I guess).Flying_Dane posted:
Essentially the car is OK up to about 30% throttle, after that nothing. It feels fine, other than being super slow, like it just has 100bhp rather than 230. I took it in for an oil change and asked them to figure out what the problem with the power was, saying I thought it was probably a vacuum or exhaust leak. Over the phone they said they couldn't figure it out but then when I went to pick up the car about an hour later they had 'figured out' it was the turbo itself AKA they don't know what it is and want to charge me 13000DKK to replace a part which is likely OK.
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Flying_Dane posted:2000 9-5 Aero 2.3t (B235R I guess).  I didn't notice your rephrasing of the post last night. Hello, poo poo memory. I completely spaced your query from oh, the last page. Their response is trash, though. I've also learned that the 2.3t is kept as a designation for the LPT. The HPT is a 2.3T. Flying_Dane posted:I took it in for an oil change and asked them to figure out what the problem with the power was, saying I thought it was probably a vacuum or exhaust leak. Over the phone they said they couldn't figure it out but then when I went to pick up the car about an hour later they had 'figured out' it was the turbo itself AKA they don't know what it is and want to charge me 13000DKK to replace a part which is likely OK. I'd honestly take it elsewhere. One thing you can do yourself - if you can get it up in the air, or get under it, is to check the turbo for shaft play and leakage. If you aren't blowing white clouds of smoke on startup, chances are it is NOT the turbo. I still believe your next course of action is to have it 'smoked' to see where it is leaking from. That costs anywhere from $free (do it yourself with a cigar, good luck) to upwards of $200USD, depending on how good your relationship is with the mechanic. That will isolate where the leaks are, and then you can find what to fix. A good mechanic should be able to do the smoke AND repair (if no/minimal parts need replaced) on the cheap. I think I paid $500USD for my smoke, intercooler repair, and a handful of other issues that kept tripping the evap issue.
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So there's an early 9-3 with a "seized wastegate" for sale here for $1000. How badly damaged do you think that engine is from having some putz driving around with uncontrolled boost? Can I swap the turbo for my spare WRX-pull TD04 and have a cheapo Saab daily driver? http://calgary.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-1999-Saab-9-3-2-0-Turbo-Coupe-1000-OBO-W0QQAdIdZ545150815
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Seat Safety Switch posted:So there's an early 9-3 with a "seized wastegate" for sale here for $1000. The '99 9-3 is a B204, not a B205, and it is T5 based. It'll take some thrashing, and it is not prone to sludging like the first B205s. I'd at least take it for a test drive. With that many I miss my hatch. 
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Tell me more about fixing the wastegate. Is it a gummed up/failed wastegate actuator or am I to replace the entire turbo? A T5 flange turbo should not be difficult to get, I had just assumed all Saabs used a TD04 and I could just pluck one out of the pile and drop it in. Usually in Subaru land, turbo failures occur from shaft play or from an oil seal taking a massive poo poo. I've very rarely heard of wastegate issues other than having the actuator preload set incorrectly so I'm second-guessing this guy's diagnosis. By DI you mean the ignition cassette right?
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Tell me more about fixing the wastegate. Is it a gummed up/failed wastegate actuator or am I to replace the entire turbo? Not knowing the vehicle, I can't really speculate, but I've heard of the diaphragm arm just breaking apart from years of abuse (and rust). Could be an either/or. It shouldn't be any more work than you are used to. Seat Safety Switch posted:A T5 flange turbo should not be difficult to get, I had just assumed all Saabs used a TD04 and I could just pluck one out of the pile and drop it in.  T5 is the SAAB engine management software, the predecessor to T5.5, and T7. You don't really need to know this, unless you are going to get balls deep into changing things. All HPT SAABs after the 900 are TD04, and LPT are G17s (factory, at least).Seat Safety Switch posted:Usually in Subaru land, turbo failures occur from shaft play or from an oil seal taking a massive poo poo. I've very rarely heard of wastegate issues other than having the actuator preload set incorrectly so I'm second-guessing this guy's diagnosis. I've never had a failure that caused overboost to actually be noticed by an owner. My guess is that it is throwing a code, and they spit the result onto Google. Seat Safety Switch posted:By DI you mean the ignition cassette right? Yup. Direct Ignition Cassette, or Ignition Discharge Module. There is a ton of crossover terms for the same goddamn thing, depending on the year of the person you are talking to.
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West SAAB Story posted:
I stand corrected, 2.3T. I have found an independent specialist who seems to be quite well regarded, I think I will be taking it to him soon. I do have some white smoke until the engine is warm, but I always had that down as condensation due to the exhaust heating up, as it doesn't seem out of the ordinary. I will take a video of it tomorrow, perhaps someone more well versed in diagnosing problems can give me some insight. I will also try and check the shaft play on the turbo. From what I have read you can pop off the intercooler hose and check it reasonably easy, just depends whether I can get under the car somehow. I would like to try and fix this myself, I just don't have any tools or anywhere to work on the car here. It is enormously frustrating. EDIT: I found some videos: It is not like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH7q_jwgZRw more like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCR9toRxeQc, but again never noticed it when the engine is warm or on acceleration for that matter. Flying_Dane fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Nov 21, 2013 |
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Flying_Dane posted:I do have some white smoke until the engine is warm, but I always had that down as condensation due to the exhaust heating up, as it doesn't seem out of the ordinary. I will take a video of it tomorrow, perhaps someone more well versed in diagnosing problems can give me some insight. I will also try and check the shaft play on the turbo. From what I have read you can pop off the intercooler hose and check it reasonably easy, just depends whether I can get under the car somehow. Unless it is blowing plumes of white smoke, it's probably not dumping oil (just seeping all of it from the timing cover). Right now, we can tell you aren't getting all of your pressure for the boost, but there isn't really an easy way to continue diagnosis of WHERE it is leaking, unless its pretty obvious (noise/etc). None of your studs on the exhaust manifold are broken off, right? These cars are too drat low to the ground. You can drive it up small blocks of wood, or ramps, but you're probably still going to be scratching your head about this.
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West SAAB Story posted:Unless it is blowing plumes of white smoke, it's probably not dumping oil (just seeping all of it from the timing cover). Right now, we can tell you aren't getting all of your pressure for the boost, but there isn't really an easy way to continue diagnosis of WHERE it is leaking, unless its pretty obvious (noise/etc). None of your studs on the exhaust manifold are broken off, right? I just edited my last post with some videos (not of my car). I had a good poke around the engine bay today and nothing seemed to be out of the ordinary. I will have another look tomorrow, checking for any snapped bolts and have a go at getting to the turbo, but yeah it is drat low.
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Nov 21, 2013 21:55
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West SAAB Story posted:
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Mario posted:Slight addendum, the 1999 9-3 is either a Garrett T25 for the standard (B204L) and most HOTs (B204R), or (supposedly) the Mitsubishi TD04 on very few of the later HOTs. All the HOTs will have a cross-flow intercooler though. Wait, they used the T25 for both LPT and HOT? Am I reading this correctly?  Also, my 2K Aero has factory black paint, but the clearcoat is chipping off like its a GM of the same era. What the hell is up with that? E: Its getting cold, fast. My recirc motor is grounded out, and the flaps are open. Goddamn its getting cold to drive. Guess I need to fix that soon.
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Nov 22, 2013 18:50
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Yeah, it's a bit wacky, but a bit of junkyard investigation seems to agree with forums on this.
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Well, as far as my 2000 9-5 Aero goes - I've been ignoring the clunks and squeaks, and (not) convincing myself that the suspension is just hard because I went from an LPT to an Aero. However, upon becoming chauffeur for relatives with a trunk full of walking assist equipment, and a full weight adult in both passenger front, and passenger rear, it is painfully obvious that yes, these 13 year old struts are shot. Nothing like a nice wheel rub from, oh, a one inch pothole. Of course when its just me (and the dogs), they're still adequate.  When I replaced them on the LPT, I just put some Monroe gas struts on it, and it made a hell of a difference, but I never did much more than get groceries and run errands with it. I see a few different options, but I'm interested in hearing what everyone else has done..
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West SAAB Story posted:it is painfully obvious that yes, these 13 year old struts are shot. Don't feel bad, the stock shocks they came with were lovely and often a total failure point causing other suspension and wheel alignment issues, most notably inner tire wear. The rear struts especially were weak since they put the smallest struts they could find in at the factory.
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Flying_Dane posted:I stand corrected, 2.3T. You know about https://www.saabklubdanmark.dk right? Their forum users seem to prefer 900s, but they definitely don't mind 9-5s, and several of them are pretty knowledgeable about turbos. Depending on where in Denmark you are, there are some pretty good independent mechanics around, but in my experience they aren't super cheap.
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Hey guys, I found what we need to save SAAB!Craigslist posted:1997 Saab 900s,Convertible,5 speed,Runs Great!!!TRADES??? - $1250 (Glendale):
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My cabin fan motor is starting to sound like a drum machine. Should I rebuild it or just replace it with a new one? Rebuild looks cheap and easy. '00 9-5 Aero.
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A repair isn't all that difficult, just a little time consuming. My rebuild in the last 2K lasted - well - through the life of the car. 5+ years, no issues. Of course, all not-required maintenance on that car was deferred for several years before I ended up with it.  How many of us 2K 95 Aero bastards are there, anyhow?
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How well do the transmissions hold up behind the 01 9-5 V6 (yeah yeah i know - its a fix and flip). I found a car that needs a windscreen and a fender, deer damage. I drove it and the transmission felt .... sluggish?
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I'm assuming you've got ahold of a 4 speed slushbox in that V6 9-5 SE. The 4 speed (and the 5 speed manual) are fairly beefy, and will hold up for over 100k if not abused, and generally nearly that if completely rotten. I did a fluid change on a 150k 4 speed slush when it was shifting slow and 'kicking hard', figuring it would fix it, or I'd replace it. It ran perfectly after that. It may actually be over its' 200k mark by now, if anyone sourced it. I hope to hell you didn't buy the V6 with an 'overheat problem'. Most people just replace the radiator, but its the oil cooler to fault, and welp, 12 hours billable teardown.
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West SAAB Story posted:I'm assuming you've got ahold of a 4 speed slushbox in that V6 9-5 SE. The 4 speed (and the 5 speed manual) are fairly beefy, and will hold up for over 100k if not abused, and generally nearly that if completely rotten. No, this one is just a deer problem (might be a human body, I dont know). I just avoid cars that have "just a head gasket" issue, unless its an old iron block motor.
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SAAB Therapy: Talking another person you know into a poor idea you considered. Edit: Going to try meeting with the owner over the weekend and giving it a onceover. Viggen fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Dec 6, 2013 |
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I just went ahead and ordered a rebuild kit for my Cabin Fan motor. There's a sense of urgency since I noticed a fogging situation tonight that wouldn't go away due to the fact the motor wasn't blowing. Edit: I might go ahead and rebuild the recirc motor too so I can clear the ACC error 21 code. While I'm down there I guess I could also swap out the plastic blend door with a metal one and change the cabin filter. The list goes on 
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JayKay posted:The list goes on Welcome back to the family.  An error 21 is usually NOT the motor itself, in my experience. Pull it and connect to 12v to see if the bastard moves. If not, reverse polarity and smack it with a hammer. It didn't fix mine.  E: When my cabin fan was going out, I found that going over 3k RPM and jabbing the 'speed up dammit' button made it work. For some drat reason I guess the return voltage was 'just right' to spark it into working. I got through two seasons like that. Good luck! Viggen fucked around with this message at 11:11 on Dec 7, 2013 |
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West SAAB Story posted:E: When my cabin fan was going out, I found that going over 3k RPM and jabbing the 'speed up dammit' button made it work. For some drat reason I guess the return voltage was 'just right' to spark it into working. I got through two seasons like that. Good luck! Until the drat thing just gave up, swapping it isn't so hard as long as you have some patience and manage to get the new one in without breaking the fan-blades. Takes ~45 minutes to remove everything and put a new fan in. Basically remove the windshield wipers, the black plastic cover, remove the wiper assembly (i just moved it because i couldn't get the electric connector to open), remove the black plastic covering the fan and then the fan itself. I got down to the wiper assembly on my first go when i noticed that my sisters bf had missplaced the small ratchet tool, so i got pissed and put everything back again and when i put away the last of the tools the ratchet was right there, hidden. So add me to the 2000 95 aero list, and i'm also on the 2000 95 non-aero list for some reason now..
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So I got in an accident with my 9-2x Linear tonight. Looks like it's totaled, but if anyone knows of a mechanic or dealer that would be interested in repairing/parting out my model, let me know. Twin Cities. It got towed to the Minneapolis Impound lot for now.
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:It got towed to the Minneapolis Impound lot for now. Goodnight, Goon Saabaru. This list is likely horrifically out of date, but try here. E: Thought of this in the shower - Try the 9-2x forum, too. Viggen fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Dec 10, 2013 |
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Dec 10, 2013 16:42
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Or just send it to, like, a Subaru mechanic.
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Meet the new "SAAB" same as the old SAAB. Quite literally.
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I had basically resigned myself to disbelief that SAABs would ever be made again, but here we are. Kinda cool, I guess.
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Did not realize the blower motor refurb kit required sanding down the brushes and then soldering them. I'm half tempted to just spend the $75 on a new motor since I know I'm going to mess this up somehow.
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JayKay posted:Did not realize the blower motor refurb kit required sanding down the brushes and then soldering them. I bought my "new" fan from a scrapyard, it's got just as many miles to it as the one that was in the car, but atleast it works. And if it ever craps out i have a spare i can have someone change brushes in.
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JayKay posted:I'm half tempted to just spend the $75 on a new motor since I know I'm going to mess this up somehow. Hit a few of the refurb sites which offer an X day warranty. I've done this with many parts that I've not wanted to worry about dying off on me, but not wanting to pay full retail. I've had pretty good luck with V&S Dismantlers of California. It took 3 tries (I was not near car to get VIN, and there were differences in the pinout from a slightly later same-model year - and a flakey one), but I finally got a completely tested and warranted CPS/NSS for all of $35.
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OMG OMG OMG OMG! Euro side blinkers from fosterlandet for Christmas? They're off a '99 3.0 V6.. and I'll need to break out the dremel to make the second lamp fit. -- E - Update/Misc Crosspost: -- Welp, I guess this would be why I got no love from the recirc motor..  Looks like its 1/2 watt, and everything I've read said it should be ~18 ohms. Might have to dig out the old kit-o-misc-poo poo and repair this bastard because the gears are perfectly fine. Viggen fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Dec 15, 2013 |
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As a rather untimely followup and crosspost to keep us out of page 5: First of all, I fixed my recirc motor. All it needed was a resistor fix and some minor repair to the underside that got hot enough to delaminate. Its too cold to do anything outside while on antibiotics, so I decided to finally convert my gifted EU corner lamps to be both blinkers and DRLs as it is in the US market. US is on left, EU on right. I forgot to take a pic before drilling pilot holes, but its not really that exciting..  About an hour and change later with the $10 Harbor Freight rotary tool kit:  Yep, it seals nice and tight:  I still have the other side to do, but since this is a first generation 95, the taillight clusters don't have orange in them, and I've already replaced the courtesy side flashers with the later-generation white plastic w/ yellow bulbs. I'm also toying with the idea of another C900.
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I have a rather annoying problem on my '99 9-3. When I activate the windshield defroster it insists on blasting hot air on my feet, rather than at the windshield, which can get slightly infuriating this time of year. Any theories on what's up with this?
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Nuclear Tourist posted:I have a rather annoying problem on my '99 9-3. When I activate the windshield defroster it insists on blasting hot air on my feet, rather than at the windshield, which can get slightly infuriating this time of year. Any theories on what's up with this? Stepping motor for the air distribution. After you start the car, hold Auto+Off. See what codes the ACC reads on the right hand side. The left hand side will be the number of errors, right will be the stored codes. Its not quite as good as a Tech 2, but it will work. Sorry for delay in diagnosis information. I had to flip tonights' audio to the B side. E: Jesus Christ. This seems normal these days.. and it makes sense. Trollhättan Syndrome? Viggen fucked around with this message at 12:22 on Jan 7, 2014 |
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