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Okay, so a while back I got into an argument with some friends who were convinced Zimmerman really wasn't guilty. That he wasn't getting a fair shake because the overly-racially-sensitive media decided he was guilty. So, given recent events (and really, every single thing that Zimmerman has done after the trial), I decided to bring the conversation back up. This is what I got. (Purple is me...)
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Nov 22, 2013 13:45
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I don't think either of them are really following the news. All the stories about him are making it sound more and more likely that he brandished the gun before Martin hit him, putting Martin in fear of his life, or at least did something more than just follow. That said, yellow is mostly right about the reasonable doubt thing. Self defense in my opinion SHOULD be an affirmative defense, but in Florida law it isn't.
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Nov 22, 2013 15:54
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The fact that Yellow doesn't even know how many people were on the Jury makes me think that they didn't actually pay very much attention to the process. I mean, I don't expect people to have sat through all the testimony the way that D&D did, the six-person jury was notable to most people paying attention because everyone assumes its always twelve.
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Nov 22, 2013 16:11
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The jury selection was a cluster gently caress, too. 6 women, 5 white, one of them had a lawyer for a husband and lined up a book deal. On miataturbo (a libertarian haven), a bunch of people are saying poo poo like "omg he's probably so stressed out from the trial and that's why he's making all of these rash decisions. There's always two sides to a story!!" I met the admin at a race at VIR, big shocker that he was a white guy... Who spends all day railing against the government at his job as a government contractor.
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Nov 22, 2013 16:29
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The first guy doesn't know how to spell Trayvon's name, and wants to base his argument on his own idea of what happened rather than the evidence at trial (which he points out but probably doesn't actually realize.) And the second guy doesn't realize it was 6 jurors not 12, but comes as close as you can to saying "Yeah I was wrong" without actually saying it. Pfft.
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Nov 22, 2013 16:33
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Ashcans posted:The fact that Yellow doesn't even know how many people were on the Jury makes me think that they didn't actually pay very much attention to the process. I mean, I don't expect people to have sat through all the testimony the way that D&D did, the six-person jury was notable to most people paying attention because everyone assumes its always twelve. They're at least right about not guilty being very different from innocent though, which is always important to bear in mind. It seems after too many high profile/celebrity rape cases with a not guilty verdict I hear some lovely opinions from people saying "the court proved that the person accused didn't do it, therefore the accuser must be lying, they should be charged with perjury"  .
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Nov 22, 2013 16:36
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platzapS posted:I would start with "Why does it matter so much how much the CEO makes?" It has very little to do with how effective the charity is. Anyways, that original post about charities, you may notice, has a lot of veteran charities in it. I remember getting something like that in text from the neighborhood mailing list from the "VETERANS!" guy. That's all he talks about and he crams it into everything. Now all I see in my mind's eye when I read his emails is "VETERANS" repeated over and over again like "VET ERANSV ET ERANS VETE! RANS."
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Nov 22, 2013 17:09
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e_angst posted:That he wasn't getting a fair shake because the overly-racially-sensitive media decided he was guilty. That's ridiculous. It was Trayvon who wasn't getting a fair shake as far as the terrible mishandling of the investigation, arrest, arraignment, etc. of Zimmerman. I mean, whenever someone brings up a news article about black-on-white crime, the suspect is almost always arrested within hours
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Nov 22, 2013 17:26
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Last night's Daily Show had a segment in which correspondent Jessica Williams, a black woman, had some street interviews with black people about racial profiling while shopping and demonstrated "tips" like bringing a white friend and loudly announcing your intentions and asking for permission to buy stuff. I saw an article about it and read some comments, because I'm apparently a masochist. Half of them where "Why aren't these racist liberals talking about knockout games?!"
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Nov 22, 2013 18:16
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Local teens doing a stupid thing they saw on the internet, film at 11.
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Nov 22, 2013 18:19
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platzapS posted:I would start with "Why does it matter so much how much the CEO makes?" It has very little to do with how effective the charity is. Because it could potentially call into question the motives of the people running the charity and whether or not it is functioning as it is expected to by donors. Would you want to donate to a charity whose board was more concerned with making money than with actually helping people? It is a completely reasonable concern.
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Nov 22, 2013 19:10
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Yeah just because the motive behind the picture (Notice how many of the "good" charities are for Vets or Christian based organizations) are questionable, how much a CEO makes can potentially be an issue. I think the real issue is directly comparing the makeup of charities that serve very different needs and communities is flawed.
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Nov 22, 2013 19:24
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1stGear posted:The religious right in this country desperately wants to be a persecuted minority. Which is why I'm surprised they react so negatively to the Handmaid's Tale. You'd think they'd lap that poo poo up as an instruction manual or something.
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Nov 22, 2013 19:36
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Pfirti86 posted:Which is why I'm surprised they react so negatively to the Handmaid's Tale. You'd think they'd lap that poo poo up as an instruction manual or something. Well it shows a woman not being perfectly happy with her position, so it is a) unrealistic and b) liberal propaganda.
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Nov 22, 2013 19:41
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ArchangeI posted:Well it shows a woman not being perfectly happy with her position, so it is a) unrealistic and b) liberal propaganda. Maybe that's just because the book wasn't written from the perspective of the Sons of Jacob. I think it'd be very easy to tweek it into an instruction manual, or something more along the lines of The Turner Diaries.
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Nov 22, 2013 19:44
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Nevvy Z posted:Local teens doing a stupid thing they saw on the internet, film at 11. This is a bit more dangerous than the usual stupid stuff teenagers do.
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Nov 22, 2013 19:59
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A coworker of mine just literally sent me this as I was reading this thread on my lunchbreak: http://downtrend.com/71superb/a-peanut-butter-and-jelly-sandwich-is-racist/ I... really don't know how to respond.
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Nov 22, 2013 20:12
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seiferguy posted:A coworker of mine just literally sent me this as I was reading this thread on my lunchbreak: "Allow me, a white male, to explain the nuances of racism to this ignorant Hispanic woman." There is a film I recently watched, can't remember the title, where a group of people of different races have a conversation about it and it was amazing how long it took one of the white guys to believe that minorities sometimes feel unsafe in white neighborhoods. One of the black guys literally had to start yelling at him in frustration before he realized that they weren't just trying to play victims. Fuckt Tupp fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Nov 22, 2013 |
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Nov 22, 2013 20:19
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Internet Webguy posted:"Allow me, a white male, to explain the nuances of racism to this ignorant Hispanic woman." If somebody knows the title of this I'd really like to watch it. E: Thanks! VVV mr. mephistopheles fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Nov 22, 2013 |
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Nov 22, 2013 20:22
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mr. mephistopheles posted:If somebody knows the title of this I'd really like to watch it. I went searching and found it. It's called "The Color of Fear" directed by Lee Mun Wah.
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Nov 22, 2013 20:30
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Its that time again. Liberal Logic 101! TAXES!  ACA  Obamacare: The same as slavery.  Countin' donations to anti-gay and anti-abortion movements as charity.  Obamacare Sabotage.
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Nov 22, 2013 20:58
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seiferguy posted:A coworker of mine just literally sent me this as I was reading this thread on my lunchbreak: In order to understand where Verenice Gutierrez is coming from, you might need to challenge some of your already existing ideas about racism. This will require the ability to comprehend the abstract concept of 'varying degrees,' for example, I would describe the temperature at night in my neighborhood as being 'cold,' I would also describe Antarctica as 'cold.' That does not mean that I think that my neighborhood is an uninhabitable wasteland at night. This might sound patronizing but let me quote the first sentence of the article: "If you have ever had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for lunch, you are no better than the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan." Because we're hearing Verenice Gutierrez's words through the filter of the author, I'm having to make some guesses, but I think she was trying to explain a subtle form of racism, 'White privilege.' The reason she chose PB&J sandwiches is that when people think of "Default Lunch," they probably think of PB&J. Let's imagine that you're designing a menu for children, for every day you have an interesting entree, maybe Meatloaf on Mondays, Tacos on Tuesdays, Lasagna Wednesday and so on. You also provide the option of PB&J instead. For most children, this is a great setup, they get a great entree but if they aren't feeling adventurous and want something simple, comfortable and easy, they can get PB&J. But would a hispanic child feel the same way? His idea of "Default Lunch" might be 'Bean Burrito.' So when he sees the two choices of Lasagna and PB&J, it's a choice between two 'weird' foods. Does that make the white kids Klansmen? No, it's just an example of how privilege works. It's something you want to be aware of. If you're walking around the lunchroom and notice that some of the Hispanic children haven't eaten much of their food, it would help to realize that these kids might be coming from a different point of view. Your first reaction might be that they're picky and entitled, but maybe it's more like the reaction you'd expect if you served eel sushi; Many of the kids will love it, but a decent percentage will be too uncomfortable with the weird food to eat. So that's where 'Courageous Conversations' come in, it's important for educators to keep an eye out for times where "Default" is based on a white perspective.
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Nov 22, 2013 21:00
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Fulchrum posted:
I absolutely love that "ACA" requires an asterisk footnote.
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Nov 22, 2013 21:04
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Breadallelogram posted:I absolutely love that "ACA" requires an asterisk footnote. I like that the footnote has an additional explanation. ACA1 [1]Affordable Care Act2 [2]Obamacare3 [3]Communist Government Takeover of Healthcare4 [4]The thing you need when you get sick5 [5]You know... coughing and stuff
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Nov 22, 2013 21:06
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e_angst posted:Okay, so a while back I got into an argument with some friends who were convinced Zimmerman really wasn't guilty. That he wasn't getting a fair shake because the overly-racially-sensitive media decided he was guilty. So, given recent events (and really, every single thing that Zimmerman has done after the trial), I decided to bring the conversation back up. This is what I got. (Purple is me...) Could be worse. A friend of mine from high school said all the blame he suffered made him snap. Considering his posting history, I doubt he was being satirical. V-Men fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Nov 22, 2013 |
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Nov 22, 2013 21:18
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Fulchrum posted:
Well considering Republicans were involved in creating the law in the first place (and never mind the fact that the initial blueprint came from the 90's GOP), it's more like the engineer who designed the car telling you it was going to fail because he wanted it to. edit: I demand accuracy in my metaphors.
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Nov 22, 2013 21:58
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Fulchrum posted:
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Nov 22, 2013 22:35
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Wojtek posted:Isn't this one also before that big switch thing that happened where today's Republicans are more like that day's Democrats and vice versa? That never happened. Stop reading liberal propaganda.
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Nov 22, 2013 22:40
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More like, you are a broke poor person without a car, and you need a car to live. You go and buy a car, sure the brakes squeal a little bit, but it's better than no car at all! Then your dad freaks out about your brakes and tries repeatedly to tear your car apart, and then when it fails to work because of your loving dad, he screams "WELCOME TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!"
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Nov 22, 2013 23:12
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I love when they use that 50s era looking woman pointing her finger. I don't know why but it just always cracks me up.
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Nov 22, 2013 23:18
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I hate the new title font. Makes everything even more obnoxious in a 90's internet way.
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Nov 22, 2013 23:22
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Actual chain of events. 1) The mechanic offers you a new set of brakes, made by the company that owns his shop. 2) You decline because you feel that particular set doesn't actually fix your problem. 3) You decide years later that your brakes are too lovely to hold out for a perfect solution, and offer to buy the brakes the mechanic offered you before. 4) The mechanic tells you you're an idiot and those brakes are poo poo, installs the brakes anyway, cuts the fluid lines, warps your rotors, and every time you talk to him afterwards he tries to take your brakes off but never wants to replace them with anything.
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Nov 22, 2013 23:28
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So which talking head is going on about knockout games this time? Because that poo poo is EVERYWHERE right now.
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Nov 22, 2013 23:30
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At the rate LL keeps adding text, eventually it's just going to be an op ed with a stock photo for a background.
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Nov 23, 2013 00:19
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Emron posted:At the rate LL keeps adding text, eventually it's just going to be an op ed with a stock photo for a background. Hope N Change already has that particular niche of conservative fuckwits down.
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Nov 23, 2013 01:09
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Fulchrum posted:Hope N Change already has that particular niche of conservative fuckwits down. I wonder if that title is going to change (hurr) after 2016
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Nov 23, 2013 01:45
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Internet Webguy posted:I went searching and found it. It's called "The Color of Fear" directed by Lee Mun Wah. This looks like the scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaXGxPzm42w Thanks, had never heard of this documentary before.
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Nov 23, 2013 04:37
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So this popped up in my news feed today...  
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Nov 23, 2013 04:44
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SpamPudding posted:So this popped up in my news feed today... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40Ce2o8v9-k
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Nov 23, 2013 04:50
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I have to say that as an Israeli living in the US, it is shocking to me that anyone would consider that Christmas is under attack here. I am already seeing decorations everywhere. On the other hand, perhaps they are right. I mean, if anyone is equipped to notice the signs of an attempt to stealth-convert the population into apostasy by appropriating their holidays and changing the names, it'd be Christians right?
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