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It says Solo Turk. http://theaviationist.com/2013/11/16/solo-turk-flares/
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Actually, Cold Turk be some good eatin' imo.
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Dr.Oblivious posted:Does his patch say, Old Turk or Cold Turk? Either way, he's one fly motherfucker. Better Old Turk than Old Crow. Thief posted:Actually, Cold Turk be some good eatin' imo. Greek AAA spotted.
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grover posted:pure insanity I'm sure the North Korean pilots have excellent ground-hugging abilities with their 15 hours of flying per year and only enough gas to allow a few maneuvers and a landing with a 30 second margin of error (so as to avoid possible defection). Pilot Kim: Ok men! Lets launch our pre-emptive attack on the imperialist dogs. Everyone stay below 75 meters and remember. . . *static* Pilot Park: Sir, I didn't get the last part of that message, we're to stay . . . *static* Pilot Lee: Base, I have spotted two flaming craters in the side of a mountain 16km East, South-East of Hwangju airport. poo poo! I have to eject as I've passed the 35km point of no-return and no longer have enough fuel to make it back to the airfield. *static* This might not even be so far from the truth, as there was talk of North Korean downsizing in the military, and more focus being directed towards their nuclear and cyber warfare programs. It would be some serious "Yakety Sax" style hiijinx to see North Korean fighters trying to survive in an airspace as hostile as South Korea's. Unless their strategy was to cause the South financial ruin by forcing them to expend all of their expensive missiles into the North's antiquated aircraft and disposable pilots.
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And PAC-3 and PAC-3 MSE costs even more. It is always cheaper to build a bunch of lovely missiles and rockets than it is to build a capable missile and rocket defense system. To make it really work, you also need really good targeting and strike capability to quickly attrite enemy missile forces, which of course also costs a lot of money. Speaking of MSE, MEADS pulled off a successful simultaneous engagement of a ballistic missile and QF-4 coming in from opposite directions to demonstrate its simultaneous 360 degree coverage capabilities. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DjzojyLmWo
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MrChips has provided another excellent write up over in the Aeronautical Insanity thread, this time on the Tu-22 and Tu-22m. As usual, it's totally with the read.
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Munnin The Crab posted:MrChips has provided another excellent write up over in the Aeronautical Insanity thread, this time on the Tu-22 and Tu-22m. As usual, it's totally with the read. Why not link it in your post? http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3276654&pagenumber=393#post422065270
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Blistex posted:I'm sure the North Korean pilots have excellent ground-hugging abilities with their 15 hours of flying per year and only enough gas to allow a few maneuvers and a landing with a 30 second margin of error (so as to avoid possible defection). It's funny because you think the ejection seat will work.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:It's funny because you think the ejection seat will work. I assumed that was the pilot piling it into a hill. I'm pretty sure the pilots don't know they won't work, even if the government does.
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Vindolanda posted:I assumed that was the pilot piling it into a hill. I'm pretty sure the pilots don't know they won't work, even if the government does. 
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Nov 21, 2013 01:09
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grover posted:Much like the sand-filled "collapse-proof" escape tunnels from US's nuclear launch bunkers that OH GOD YOU CAN'T OPEN THAT TO CHECK, JUST TRUST US! I thought the sand was intentional?
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Vindolanda posted:I thought the sand was intentional? What? No, of course you can't look, the sand would fall out!
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grover posted:Much like the sand-filled "collapse-proof" escape tunnels from US's nuclear launch bunkers that OH GOD YOU CAN'T OPEN THAT TO CHECK, JUST TRUST US! Wait, what?
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Oxford Comma posted:Wait, what? The escape tunnels from US ICBM Launch Control Centers are filled with sand, to keep them from collapsing during a strike on the site. The question is, when you open the hatch to escape, where the hell is all the sand going to end up? (Late-Soviet counterforce strikes had multi megaton warheads ground bursting, likely making it a theoretical exercise, anyway.)
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The sand is actually the same volume the now-empty silo. It'll take you a while to carry it all down the access corridor, but it's not like you have anywhere you need to get to in a hurry at that point.
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Dead Reckoning posted:The sand is actually the same volume the now-empty silo. It'll take you a while to carry it all down the access corridor, but it's not like you have anywhere you need to get to in a hurry at that point. The thing I just read, to pretend I had any idea what I was talking about, said that the escape room below the tunnel hatch had a chute to dump the sand into the silo once the hatch was opened. This kind of explains why you weren't supposed to open them.
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Really? I was totally making that up.
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I'm very surprised there isn't some story about a complete idiot recruit doing that. Or do they screen out the utter morons for working in the silos? (Please say yes) Pvt Pyle: DONT OPEN WHUT DOOR SARGE? HEY WHATS THIS HATCH THINGIE? *opens hatch, tons of sand pour in* Sarge: PYYYYYLE! Pvt Pyle: WELL GOLLEEE! priznat fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Nov 21, 2013 |
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This is kind of unrelated and maybe more of a GiP question but priznat's post reminded me of something that's been on my mind lately. When I was doing ROTC nobody ever called sergeants "sarge," we always said "sarnt" or "sarmajor" or something like that. When did that switch happen?
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I'd never address a US or UK sergeant as "sarge". It sounds like something out of a 60s/70s movie. Or MASH.
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Isn't the silo open to the sky after the missile leaves? So you could just climb out that way? Or get incinerated through there when the incoming warheads hit? Or does the hatch slam shut after launch?
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priznat posted:I'm very surprised there isn't some story about a complete idiot recruit doing that. Or do they screen out the utter morons for working in the silos? (Please say yes) Sounds like a saboteurs wet dream to be honest.
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Snowdens Secret posted:Isn't the silo open to the sky after the missile leaves? So you could just climb out that way? Or get incinerated through there when the incoming warheads hit? Or does the hatch slam shut after launch? I thought the launch bunkers were not located next to the silos themselves.
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Snowdens Secret posted:Isn't the silo open to the sky after the missile leaves? So you could just climb out that way? Or get incinerated through there when the incoming warheads hit? Or does the hatch slam shut after launch? If they had just been carpet bombed by ICBMs, they'd probably choose to stay underground for a while, but would eventually want to come up when air/water/food/whatever ran out. And would *probably* not have much outside help. But all they need to do is open that hatch that's totally there 
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grover posted:If they had just been carpet bombed by ICBMs, they'd probably choose to stay underground for a while, but would eventually want to come up when air/water/food/whatever ran out. Any would *probably* not have much help. But all they need to do is open that hatch that's totally there
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evil_bunnY posted:At that point you'd think a bit of sand would literally be the least of their worries. Mutant wasteland bikers have already cornered the market on talcum powder. Sand in your underwear causing rashes is a matter of life and death with antibiotics scarce.
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evil_bunnY posted:At that point you'd think a bit of sand would literally be the least of their worries. Sand worms  quote:(The diagram for that is dismally hilarious when overlaid with the expected crater from the largest soviet warheads, since the crater is twice as deep as the bunker.) Well that's fairly morbid, yet hilarious at the same time.
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If I'm right, that's a great joke.
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The Soviets only got missiles with the warheads, the throw and the accuracy to pull off hits like that in the mid-late '70s, though. So the Minuteman silo designs were still theoretically viable for at least a decade. That also marks the point the nuclear detente really starts to break down.
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Mortabis posted:This is kind of unrelated and maybe more of a GiP question but priznat's post reminded me of something that's been on my mind lately. When I was doing ROTC nobody ever called sergeants "sarge," we always said "sarnt" or "sarmajor" or something like that. When did that switch happen? It's considered disrespectful...I know it was in the 80s as well, not sure how far back it goes.
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It's pre-Cold War, but I think this is probably a better place to post it than starting a new thread. 70 years ago today, Doris Miller died on the Liscome Bay during the Battle of Makin Island, when her ammunition store was struck by a torpedo. In case anyone recognizes the name but can't immediately place it, he was the first African American to be awarded the Navy Cross for his actions during Pearl Harbor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doris_Miller    Godspeed, sir.
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The D&D milhist thread is 90% World War II at the moment so you might as well post it there too!
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Shooting Blanks posted:In case anyone recognizes the name but can't immediately place it, he was the first African American to be awarded the Navy Cross for his actions during Pearl Harbor. In case anyone recognizes the name like me, and the photo looks familiar, but you can't place how you know it -- Cuba Gooding Jr. in Pearl Harbor. The one where he was interspersed through Ben Affleck's love story, not the one where he's a plucky salvage diver with a tough DI.
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It's probably better if everyone just forgets about that movie.
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priznat posted:It's probably better if everyone just forgets about that movie.
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I only ever saw the scene where some pilot-mans takes a girl for a joyride in a P-51 (ignoring the fact it only has room for one person, barely) and they even managed to make that part suck poo poo.
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Terrible Robot posted:I only ever saw the scene where some pilot-mans takes a girl for a joyride in a P-51 (ignoring the fact it only has room for one person, barely) and they even managed to make that part suck poo poo. Every part dealing with the love story sucked. They could have left that entire side plot on the cutting room floor and had a better movie in the end.
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Doctor Grape Ape posted:Every part dealing with the love story sucked. They could have left that entire side plot on the cutting room floor and had a better movie in the end. That would have left them with like 20 minutes of the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor and 10 minutes of Doolittle raid. Plus some barnyard flying I guess. Goddamn, that movie was long and terrible.
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