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You know, part of it for me is that while I can tell the characters apart, none of them come across as deep to me as, say, the different Olivias or Walters on Fringe. But that show didn't start playing those tricks right out of the gate, so it's an unfair comparison until I've finished the first season. Thanks for the responses and helping me calibrate my expectations.
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Slamhound posted:Yeah, but in Orphan Black, they impersonate each other. So do the various Oliviae on Fringe.
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Nov 25, 2013 21:29
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Joramun posted:So do the various Oliviae on Fringe. Yep there are multiple Olivia, Walters, Astrid, and Lincolns.
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Nov 25, 2013 21:30
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Sir Kodiak posted:You know, part of it for me is that while I can tell the characters apart, none of them come across as deep to me as, say, the different Olivias or Walters on Fringe. But that show didn't start playing those tricks right out of the gate, so it's an unfair comparison until I've finished the first season. You really have no full concept of any of the characters with only two episodes watched out of ten.
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Nov 25, 2013 21:31
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Sir Kodiak posted:You know, part of it for me is that while I can tell the characters apart, none of them come across as deep to me as, say, the different Olivias or Walters on Fringe. But that show didn't start playing those tricks right out of the gate, so it's an unfair comparison until I've finished the first season. It is fairly unfair to compare a completed 5-season show to the first two episodes of the first season of another show in terms of your expectations, yes. She is being praised because she is doing A Thing and doing it very well. Saying "she's no different than Eddie Murphy doing the Klumps" is one of the stupidest reductions I've ever read.
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Nov 25, 2013 21:32
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To add to that, any of those characters would be strong performances on their own, especially going into the back half of the season. Two episodes in, it's a neat trick; you don't really get the gravity of it until a few episodes later, when you really dig into who these clones are. I wasn't sold on Maslany being loving amazing until episode 6, "Variations Under Domestication." At that point I was starting to forget that Sarah, Alison, and Cosima were being played by the same person.
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Nov 25, 2013 21:33
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xeria posted:It is fairly unfair to compare a completed 5-season show to the first two episodes of the first season of another show in terms of your expectations, yes. At the same time, none of the characters I've seen her play are as nuanced or interesting as Walter was on Fringe in the first episode (as just one example, since that's a show we're already comparing Orphan Black to). But from what DivisionPost is saying, I just need to wait a bit and I'll get that. xeria posted:She is being praised because she is doing A Thing and doing it very well. Saying "she's no different than Eddie Murphy doing the Klumps" is one of the stupidest reductions I've ever read. To be fair, I'm not the one who made that comparison.
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Nov 25, 2013 21:38
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DivisionPost posted:I wasn't sold on Maslany being loving amazing until episode 6, "Variations Under Domestication." At that point I was starting to forget that Sarah, Alison, and Cosima were being played by the same person. Yeah, listen to this guy. For me I think it was episode 4 or 5, but certainly 6 is a high point and one of the best episodes of the season (and almost certainly the funniest).
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Nov 25, 2013 21:41
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xeria posted:She is being praised because she is doing A Thing and doing it very well. Saying "she's no different than Eddie Murphy doing the Klumps" is one of the stupidest reductions I've ever read. It's important to remember not to argue on points Irish Joe brings up. In that way lies only misery.
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Nov 25, 2013 21:41
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Joramun posted:So do the various Oliviae on Fringe.
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Nov 25, 2013 21:46
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precision posted:Yeah, listen to this guy. For me I think it was episode 4 or 5, but certainly 6 is a high point and one of the best episodes of the season (and almost certainly the funniest). That's the episode where "WHAT THE gently caress, ALISON?" started to become the show's rallying cry. EDIT: Regy Rusty posted:It's important to remember not to argue on points Irish Joe brings up. In that way lies only misery. Ah, but therein lies the beauty of Irish Joe: Sometimes you can't ignore him, lest you risk an aneurism.
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Nov 25, 2013 21:47
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Regy Rusty posted:It's important to remember not to argue on points Irish Joe brings up. In that way lies only misery. True, I should say it's one of the trollingest reductions I've ever seen. Sir Kodiak posted:At the same time, none of the characters I've seen her play are as nuanced or interesting as Walter was on Fringe in the first episode (as just one example, since that's a show we're already comparing Orphan Black to). But from what DivisionPost is saying, I just need to wait a bit and I'll get that. Nearly every person who has said, "I've watched the first 1/2 episodes and I don't see what the big deal is," has come around by anywhere from episodes 4 through 6. If you get through 6 -- probably the one real 'goalpost' episode this show has -- and still aren't interested, there probably won't be anything that comes after that'll convince you.
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Nov 25, 2013 21:49
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Ubiquitous_ posted:VVVV She didn't do it for a whole season, let alone the entire concept of a show. I think what Maslany did on Orphan Black was pretty impressive, but this is a pretty disingenuous argument considering that she a) didn't do it for a full season either (the clones don't show up immediately save for the opening scene) and that b) the "whole season" was only 10 episodes. Torv had a prolonged arc where she was playing Fauxlivia pretending to be Olivia and it was pretty drat incredible how much subtlety she managed to put into both characters.
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Aw c'mon guys, isn't it a little late for an Orphan Black backlash? You missed that boat by several months.
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Nov 25, 2013 21:50
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Olivia had the benefit of lowered expectations where she "intentionally" played an awkward, emotionally-crippled robot for two seasons so have her do things like actually smile and show emotion and be able to carry on casual conversations with people stood out way more. And even then there was that season 3 arc where she was possessed by William Bell and she talking in a hilariously over-the-top Leonard Nimoy impersonation.
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Nov 25, 2013 21:51
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VDay posted:I think what Maslany did on Orphan Black was pretty impressive, but this is a pretty disingenuous argument considering that she a) didn't do it for a full season either (the clones don't show up immediately save for the opening scene) and that b) the "whole season" was only 10 episodes. Torv had a prolonged arc where she was playing Fauxlivia pretending to be Olivia and it was pretty drat incredible how much subtlety she managed to put into both characters. Technically she does do it for a whole season -- even in the first episode, she's Sarah-playing-Beth. She's not playing Alison or Cosima for every single episode, no, but those two (and Helena) aren't the extent of her clone-playing.
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Nov 25, 2013 21:52
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The greatest crime Fringe ever committed was not finding a way to get Anna Torv to play a variation of literally every single character at some point.
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Hey guys, I need help looking for an episode of a show. There's an episode of Everybody Loves Raymond where it's super typical arguing about nothing, but then they suddenly all realize that Ray is in love with his mom and then Debora takes Ray upstairs and everyone is left in the living room and they agree never to speak of it again and then the episode ends. I can't find a synopsis of it anywhere (or accurate synopses of any episodes for that matter) and because I saw it on tv as a teen never knew the name of the episode to look it up, plus it's been a decade or so. Thanks to anyone that can help
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Nov 25, 2013 22:28
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So the thread spiral goes: Lena Dunham -> Tatiana Maslany -> Fringe -> Parks and Rec -> Irish Joe says something -> General rebuttals -> Person of Interest -> 2 Broke Girls -> Irish Joe -> Lena Dunham?
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Nov 25, 2013 22:44
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precision posted:So the thread spiral goes: Lena Dunham -> Tatiana Maslany -> Fringe -> Parks and Rec -> Irish Joe says something -> General rebuttals -> Person of Interest -> 2 Broke Girls -> Irish Joe -> Lena Dunham? -> Everybody Loves Oedipus Raymond
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Nov 25, 2013 22:45
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...of SCIENCE! posted:Olivia had the benefit of lowered expectations where she "intentionally" played an awkward, emotionally-crippled robot for two seasons so have her do things like actually smile and show emotion and be able to carry on casual conversations with people stood out way more. And even then there was that season 3 arc where she was possessed by William Bell and she talking in a hilariously over-the-top Leonard Nimoy impersonation. I think her impersonation was no more over-the-top than the arc itself was. Like, it got the right amount of, "gently caress it, this plot point is insane. Might as well just go for it, full bore." In contrast to this, the Olivia/Fauxlivia stuff as written was less silly and hit more emotional dials, so Torv's acting was appropriately also toned down.
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Paper Lion posted:Hey guys, I need help looking for an episode of a show. I'm only seeing reasons not to look this up here.
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Nov 25, 2013 22:54
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Here is my daily "oh god I loving love X-Files" post: I absolutely love the music. Are there any shows around that still have a score and not just a soundtrack with some popular-ish songs? Also I just managed to identify Bradley Whitford just from his voice in about two seconds  .
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Popelmon posted:Here is my daily "oh god I loving love X-Files" post: They sometimes use real music. The episode Beyond the sea uses that song perfectly. There is also the episode Home.
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Nov 25, 2013 23:01
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Paper Lion posted:Hey guys, I need help looking for an episode of a show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxyPMNTYyHE Skip to around 18:40 for the part you're talking about.
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Nov 25, 2013 23:14
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Everybody Loves Raymond had a few bizarre psychologically bare moments like that, including another where Robert outright admits he's in love with Debra. It's an odd show. Also underrated, in my opinion.
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I don't really have anywhere else to say this. I'm catching up with Pretty Little Liars and I'm a few episodes into Season 3 now and the show has got so balls to the wall insane I love it love it love it. Also, I want to applaud Irish Joe for comparing TatMas to a bad Eddie Murphy movie and getting away with it 
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So if you're like me and you often wonder "What the hell is Fez up to these days?", Wilmer Valderrama has joined the cast of the From Dusk Till Dawn TV series that Robert Rodriguez is developing. http://dailydead.com/wilmer-valderrama-joins-cast-dusk-till-dawn-series/
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hcreight posted:So if you're like me and you often wonder "What the hell is Fez up to these days?" I just assumed he cries himself to sleep every night thinking about the time he hosed Mila Kunis. Glad to see he's still getting work.
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hcreight posted:So if you're like me and you often wonder "What the hell is Fez up to these days?", Wilmer Valderrama has joined the cast of the From Dusk Till Dawn TV series that Robert Rodriguez is developing. He was pretty good on last season of Raising Hope.
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Nov 26, 2013 01:12
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muscles like this? posted:He was pretty good on last season of Raising Hope. He was on Suburgatory a couple times too. It's always weird seeing him play characters that aren't like Fez though.
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bobkatt013 posted:They sometimes use real music. The episode Beyond the sea uses that song perfectly. There is also the episode Home. Can't believe you forgot to mention The Post-Modern Prometheus. (The X-Files score is absolutely fantastic, though)
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enuma elish posted:Can't believe you forgot to mention The Post-Modern Prometheus. It is too drat spooky, I have trouble sleeping at night just thinking about it in my head.
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Nov 26, 2013 03:56
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hcreight posted:He was on Suburgatory a couple times too. It's always weird seeing him play characters that aren't like Fez though. Did Suburgatory get cancelled or is it coming back mid-season? That was one of those examples of a seemingly boring premise that was actually a really good show.
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Tupping Liberty posted:Did Suburgatory get cancelled or is it coming back mid-season? That was one of those examples of a seemingly boring premise that was actually a really good show. It's coming back in January and taking over the cancelled Back in the Game's timeslot.
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hcreight posted:So if you're like me and you often wonder "What the hell is Fez up to these days?", Wilmer Valderrama has joined the cast of the From Dusk Till Dawn TV series that Robert Rodriguez is developing. I thought he was pretty busy recording episodes of Handy Manny.
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hcreight posted:It's coming back in January and taking over the cancelled Back in the Game's timeslot. Wow, so that got canned already, huh. Can't say I'm terribly surprised.
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I enjoyed what I saw of Back in the Game. I can't say I'm heartbroken or anything but it was one of the few shows I was keeping up with (at least within a week or two).
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muscles like this? posted:He was pretty good on last season of Raising Hope. He was really good in Party Monster too but he was basically playing "Fez, the junkie DJ".
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