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McGlockenshire: Dec 16, 2005; GOLLOCKS!

Pfft, just use one of the two online entropy generators that use SSL.

# ? Nov 25, 2013 07:29

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# ? May 17, 2024 00:11

FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009

We have to show a company we are contracting for a working demo of their product in two weeks. They are giving us beta boards 2 days before their dog and pony show; completely untested of course. :suicide:

# ? Nov 25, 2013 17:21

Strong Sauce: Jul 2, 2003; You know I am not really your father.

http://kylerichter.com/our-responsibility-as-developers/

NO TIME TO HIDE USER DATA, WE GOTTA GET OUR QUIZ GAME OUT STAT.

# ? Nov 25, 2013 20:24

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Woodsy Owl posted:

His XOR implementation is hilarious.

edit: He also does a really great job of commenting...

I love how he uses the Lorentz machine as an example of a successful XOR cipher despite the fact that a human being cracked/reverse engineered it in 3 months on his own (during the war).

Here's guessing a computer can easily break your XOR cipher, buddy.

# ? Nov 25, 2013 22:41

Harik: Sep 9, 2001; From the hard streets of Moscow
First dog to touch the stars; Plaster Town Cop

Tesseraction posted:

I love how he uses the Lorentz machine as an example of a successful XOR cipher despite the fact that a human being cracked/reverse engineered it in 3 months on his own (during the war).

Here's guessing a computer can easily break your XOR cipher, buddy.

Where's the love for this:

code:

int tointeger(int inp)

But yeah, this is starting to feel more like a pro-troll where a TA makes up a terrible backstory for the terrible code he gets stuck grading.

# ? Nov 26, 2013 06:26

Kallikrates: Jul 7, 2002; Pro Lurker

Job Horrors:
https://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/9887522?trk=job_nov&_mSplash=1

"We host 3 trade-shows a year, sell tons of merchandise, publish games and other webcomics, license art and ad space to AAA publishers", "Not money oriented."

Kallikrates fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Nov 26, 2013

# ? Nov 26, 2013 19:00

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

Tesseraction posted:

I love how he uses the Lorentz machine as an example of a successful XOR cipher despite the fact that a human being cracked/reverse engineered it in 3 months on his own (during the war).

Here's guessing a computer can easily break your XOR cipher, buddy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptanalysis_of_the_Lorenz_cipher

One message was sent twice, with the same key, with slightly different text. From these two cipher texts, one person mostly reverse engineered the machines operation, as well as cracking the cipher. :monocle:

# ? Nov 26, 2013 19:01

fritz: Jul 26, 2003

Kallikrates posted:

Job Horrors:
https://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/9887522?trk=job_nov&_mSplash=1

"We host 3 trade-shows a year, sell tons of merchandise, publish games and other webcomics, license art and ad space to AAA publishers", "Not money oriented."

One of those dudes (the bigger rear end in a top hat) apparently has an actual yacht.

# ? Nov 26, 2013 20:22

ManoliIsFat: Oct 4, 2002

Kallikrates posted:

Job Horrors:
https://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/9887522?trk=job_nov&_mSplash=1

"We host 3 trade-shows a year, sell tons of merchandise, publish games and other webcomics, license art and ad space to AAA publishers", "Not money oriented."

I looked at this and immediately LOLed. It's a great opportunity if you're in to that kinda thing (I know a guy who loves PA and could do all that in his sleep), but explicitly saying "and don�t mind having a really bad sense of work-life balance", that they're not " terribly money-motivated group" and that you'll be the IT guy...I can't imagine not burning out in less than 6 months.

# ? Nov 26, 2013 20:26

New Yorp New Yorp: Jul 18, 2003; Only in Kenya.; Pillbug

ManoliIsFat posted:

I looked at this and immediately LOLed. It's a great opportunity if you're in to that kinda thing (I know a guy who loves PA and could do all that in his sleep), but explicitly saying "and don�t mind having a really bad sense of work-life balance", that they're not " terribly money-motivated group" and that you'll be the IT guy...I can't imagine not burning out in less than 6 months.

Here's what I took away from their job ad:

They expect you to do 4 jobs
...for long hours
...for low pay
...but they have free Fresca in the vending machines!

# ? Nov 26, 2013 20:36

astr0man: Feb 21, 2007; hollyeo deuroga

But see you would be working for the famous internet website Penny Arcade so it's worth it!

# ? Nov 26, 2013 20:37

Sockser: Jun 28, 2007; This world only remembers the results!

Ithaqua posted:

Here's what I took away from their job ad:

They expect you to do 4 jobs

...for long hours

...for low pay

...but they have free Fresca in the vending machines!

Man that describes my job but our soda machines don't even have Fresca :smith:

# ? Nov 26, 2013 20:41

shrughes: Oct 11, 2008; (call/cc call/cc)

Yes let's mock the horrible job posting for being up-front about the downsides of working there.

# ? Nov 26, 2013 20:44

Janitor Prime: Jan 22, 2004; PC LOAD LETTER

What da fuck does that mean; Fun Shoe

shrughes posted:

Yes let's mock the horrible job posting for being up-front about the downsides of working there.

As opposed to praising it for being a piece of poo poo?

# ? Nov 26, 2013 20:48

EAT THE EGGS RICOLA: May 29, 2008

Hard NOP Life posted:

As opposed to praising it for being a piece of poo poo?

I'll take a job posting that is honest about exactly how the job sucks over a job posting that just lies to you completely until you start the job and realize you're hosed.

# ? Nov 26, 2013 20:54

DaTroof: Nov 16, 2000; CC LIMERICK CONTEST GRAND CHAMPION
There once was a poster named Troof
Who was getting quite long in the toof

EAT THE EGGS RICOLA posted:

I'll take a job posting that is honest about exactly how the job sucks over a job posting that just lies to you completely until you start the job and realize you're hosed.

We can still laugh at how lovely the job is.

# ? Nov 26, 2013 20:59

JawnV6: Jul 4, 2004; So hot ...

I'm pretty sure working with PA would have downsides not included in "bad pay/terrible hours"

# ? Nov 26, 2013 21:09

Dessert Rose: May 17, 2004; awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

JawnV6 posted:

I'm pretty sure working with PA would have downsides not included in "bad pay/terrible hours"

for example, "having to work with/for a couple of complete shitheels"

# ? Nov 26, 2013 23:20

JawnV6: Jul 4, 2004; So hot ...

Dessert Rose posted:

for example, "having to work with/for a couple of complete shitheels"

Exactly. The post didn't begin to take an "honest" look at how it would suck.

And I was giving them the benefit of the doubt earlier, but here's an article that goes into far more depth on just how lovely this is.

# ? Nov 27, 2013 01:25

Pollyanna: Mar 5, 2005; Milk's on them.

Reminder that the heads of Penny Arcade blamed rape survivors for inconveniencing the website/fandom. But that's a different discussion...

# ? Nov 27, 2013 02:26

PleasingFungus: Oct 10, 2012; idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

fritz posted:

One of those dudes (the bigger rear end in a top hat) apparently has an actual yacht.

Do you have a source for this? Google finds nothing.

Ithaqua posted:

Here's what I took away from their job ad:

They expect you to do 4 jobs

...for long hours

...for low pay

...but they have free Fresca in the vending machines!

The funniest part of this is that of course they will easily fill the position.

People will line up to be exploited by their heroes.

God bless.

# ? Nov 27, 2013 02:56

Strong Sauce: Jul 2, 2003; You know I am not really your father.

Just read this and tell me you would want to work for that company:
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2013/09/penny-arcade-expo-dickwolves/

Edit: Also relevant: https://twitter.com/emmastory/status/405347326685769729

Probably why they are paying so low.

# ? Nov 27, 2013 04:57

New Yorp New Yorp: Jul 18, 2003; Only in Kenya.; Pillbug

Strong Sauce posted:

Just read this and tell me you would want to work for that company:
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2013/09/penny-arcade-expo-dickwolves/

Edit: Also relevant: https://twitter.com/emmastory/status/405347326685769729

Probably why they are paying so low.

I'm praying that this thread doesn't go off on a dickwolf tangent. Please, no. Please.

# ? Nov 27, 2013 05:10

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

Ithaqua posted:

I'm praying that this thread doesn't get raped to death by dickwolves

What would you prefer, that the thread returns to the normal carousel of PHP, VB6 and incompetent crypto implementations that it's been kicking around for five and a half years?

# ? Nov 27, 2013 06:59

MrMoo: Sep 14, 2000

Surprisingly not a corollary to making GBS threads dick nipples.

# ? Nov 27, 2013 07:19

Jewel: May 2, 2009

Otto Skorzeny posted:

What would you prefer, that the thread returns to the normal carousel of PHP, VB6 and incompetent crypto implementations that it's been kicking around for five and a half years?

Extremely.

# ? Nov 27, 2013 07:20

het: Nov 14, 2002; A dark black past
is my most valued
possession

Otto Skorzeny posted:

What would you prefer, that the thread returns to the normal carousel of PHP, VB6 and incompetent crypto implementations that it's been kicking around for five and a half years?

Very much, yes.

# ? Nov 27, 2013 07:50

Volmarias: Dec 31, 2002; EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Otto Skorzeny posted:

What would you prefer, that the thread returns to the normal carousel of PHP, VB6 and incompetent crypto implementations that it's been kicking around for five and a half years?

Over a week long derail about well known entertainers who also happen to be shitheels, yes.

# ? Nov 27, 2013 13:37

gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

code:

#print MENU 
print "MENU"
#print a space using " "
print "                    "

in their defence it is an intro to programming class

# ? Nov 27, 2013 13:59

Macichne Leainig: Jul 26, 2012; by VG

EAT THE EGGS RICOLA posted:

I'll take a job posting that is honest about exactly how the job sucks over a job posting that just lies to you completely until you start the job and realize you're hosed.

To be fair, if the job turns out to be complete poo poo, you know what questions to ask in your next interview to avoid such bullshit.

# ? Nov 27, 2013 15:20

Dren: Jan 5, 2001; Pillbug

Why are people upset about this job posting? They are asking for the moon. So what?

That job is probably worth interviewing for for people who have some/most of the skills and are interested in the work. If some of the stipulations seem unfair a candidate should negotiate to either get paid more, agree to take on less responsibility, or both. Interviews work both ways and if they don't want a candidate because they can't afford them then it's their loss. If a candidate is exceptional, which is what they are looking for, they should be prepared to negotiate because that candidate will likely expect to come in and set their own terms.

# ? Nov 27, 2013 15:52

JawnV6: Jul 4, 2004; So hot ...

Dren posted:

Why are people upset about this job posting? They are asking for the moon. So what?

That job is probably worth interviewing for for people who have some/most of the skills and are interested in the work. If some of the stipulations seem unfair a candidate should negotiate to either get paid more, agree to take on less responsibility, or both. Interviews work both ways and if they don't want a candidate because they can't afford them then it's their loss. If a candidate is exceptional, which is what they are looking for, they should be prepared to negotiate because that candidate will likely expect to come in and set their own terms.

It's not your run of the mill business clueless about what it takes to pay a creative professional. They've released multiple video games, presumably with a paid coder or two on the team. It's a multimillion dollar business that puts on multiple loving trade shows a year, they're really not hurting for cash.

They're not going to 'bet' on some promising kid like you're hypothesizing. They're going to take a vetted professional who happens to be a starry eyed fan and exploit them for a few years. It's sickening because they'll find someone eager to do it.

Tha Chodesweller posted:

To be fair, if the job turns out to be complete poo poo, you know what questions to ask in your next interview to avoid such bullshit.

"Are you actually running a multimillion dollar business but pretending to be on a shoestring budget? Are you trying to pay me 20% under market for a quarter of my responsibilities because you're popular and I'm a fan?"

Don't seem to generalize too well. I dunno, I haven't searched a lot of jobs. Maybe these questions apply more broadly than I'd expect.

# ? Nov 27, 2013 16:10

IT BEGINS: Jan 15, 2009; I don't know how to make analogies

I just think it's a bit flagrant to post an absurd job with poo poo benefits and probably poo poo pay, knowing that because you're a pretty large organization that can afford to give people the appropriate compensation. They also know that because of the community, they'll get a bunch of suckers who apply and will work out their rear end just because this is PA, and not complain about it.

Not to mention that, while being lied to is lovely, being told up front that your job is going to be poo poo can be worse because you have no recourse. It's like 'hey, you knew what you signed up for.'

# ? Nov 27, 2013 16:13

slush: Jun 23, 2006; Thank you for calling....

code:

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# ? Nov 27, 2013 17:06

shrughes: Oct 11, 2008; (call/cc call/cc)

Maybe they'll actually pay a reasonable amount but they want to whittle down the amount of applicants they have to choose from.

# ? Nov 27, 2013 17:07

Mustach: Mar 2, 2003; In this long line, there's been some real strange genes. You've got 'em all, with some extras thrown in.

Post from the guy leaving the PA position: http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/185114/about-the-penny-arcade-job-posting

# ? Nov 27, 2013 17:35

Opinion Haver: Apr 9, 2007

quote:

If you want to work 80 or more hours at something you truly enjoy, in fact you don�t want to stop working ever because you love it so much, shouldn�t that be okay too? Shouldn�t we be so lucky as to have a job that we are so invested in?

I'm going to go ask my boss to double my salary for no extra work because, really, we should all be so lucky as to have an employee that we're so invested in.

# ? Nov 27, 2013 17:38

IT BEGINS: Jan 15, 2009; I don't know how to make analogies

God reading the comments there just makes me mad. A ton of ad hominem and the usual 'working more than 40 hours = dedication' poo poo. Look, if you want to do your company the favor of working more hours than you really have to, that's fine. But your company should then do you the favor of paying you how much that is worth to them.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like here in the US, people have the weird notion that working absurd hours is a sign of dedication, but that getting paid for those hours is somehow a sign of greed.

# ? Nov 27, 2013 18:03

ninjeff: Jan 19, 2004

quote:

So four hats, right? Why not four tech staff? The reality is that one highly motivated, highly skilled person can handle all of this.

, and they'll do it for less than they're worth because *makes arcane hand gestures, looks away*!

# ? Nov 27, 2013 18:28

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# ? May 17, 2024 00:11

Dren: Jan 5, 2001; Pillbug

JawnV6 posted:

It's not your run of the mill business clueless about what it takes to pay a creative professional. They've released multiple video games, presumably with a paid coder or two on the team. It's a multimillion dollar business that puts on multiple loving trade shows a year, they're really not hurting for cash.

They're not going to 'bet' on some promising kid like you're hypothesizing. They're going to take a vetted professional who happens to be a starry eyed fan and exploit them for a few years. It's sickening because they'll find someone eager to do it.

"Are you actually running a multimillion dollar business but pretending to be on a shoestring budget? Are you trying to pay me 20% under market for a quarter of my responsibilities because you're popular and I'm a fan?"

I'm not hypothesizing that they'll take a gamble on some kid. I'm hypothesizing that they will end up taking a vetted professional who will negotiate for a deal he or she believes is reasonable. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this scenario.

Also, nowhere do they say 20% under market. In fact, they say salary is negotiable. There is full medical, dental and vision. There is 401k at 2% of annual salary which isn't far off from a lot of matching benefits (and doesn't require the employee to contribute). There are periodic bonuses (sounds like typical x-mas bonuses) as well as vacation/holiday. They will pay to relocate you if need be. All of this sounds fairly standard.

Furthermore, if they can get a candidate at below market due to their enormous fanbase, good for them. That's smart business. They don't owe anyone anything just because they make a profit. The reason they are profitable is that they make smart business decisions. I bet this position ends up being in the neighborhood of $120k and I would have no problem walking in the door and asking for $150k to start if I were applying.

# ? Nov 27, 2013 18:50

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