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How do you backstab in Baldur's Gate? I tried the obvious thing of hiding in shadows, but as soon as you select an enemy to attack, the character leaves the shadows. Also, are there any plans for Icewind Dale Enhanced Editions?
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Nov 27, 2013 15:09
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Orgophlax posted:How do you backstab in Baldur's Gate? I tried the obvious thing of hiding in shadows, but as soon as you select an enemy to attack, the character leaves the shadows.
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Nov 27, 2013 15:13
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Factor_VIII posted:You need to walk up right behind an enemy's back, then attack. Enemies without a back, such as oozes, cannot be backstabbed.
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Nov 27, 2013 15:27
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Orgophlax posted:So you just have to physically position your thief behind the enemy during a fight? Or do you mean sneak up behind them while hidden in shadows? Successfully hide in shadows (or be invis from some spell effect), move right behind an enemy BEFORE telling the character to attack the enemy, then select to attack the enemy.
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Nov 27, 2013 15:32
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The "leaving shadows" message is fine if you are planning on backstabbing. There is a fade time after you decide to attack (or if you otherwise fail to remain hidden) during which you are still invisible. If you are right behind a dude just before attacking, you should have enough time to get 2 tries at hitting him before fade time runs out and you are fully visible. Also, once you are successfully hidden, you will remain so regardless of how "sneaky" you are. You can be off to the side skulking around some shadows, hide, then literally run circles around people in broad daylight. Every few seconds you will automatically roll to try to remain hidden. As long as you pass that, you're fine.
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Nov 27, 2013 15:45
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God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title
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MrTheDevious posted:The only attack they got off was a disintegrate on Jahira and I just kept going since she was being a bitch anyway. So much sick loot edit: from memory you need a certain set of caster robes to make this work but it's hilariously good if you have them. edit2: drat this thread is making me want to replay Planescape. That game was so amazing. If there's a widescreen/hi-res patch then I'm sold.
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Nov 27, 2013 15:45
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Is there eventually a point where you can't cheese even really hard encounters just by laying down a ton of disables then spamming cloudkills and fireballs?
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OK, thanks for all that. One other question: Is there another mage to pick up at some point? I want a mage in my party, and as much as I like Xzar, his buddy is useless to me. But I can't get rid of him without losing Xzar as well.
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Nov 27, 2013 16:03
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Zephro posted:If there's a widescreen/hi-res patch then I'm sold. There is, including a big font mod.
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Nov 27, 2013 16:04
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I was attacking the guys that wanted to set viconia on fire in government district. They are just normal humans.
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Nov 27, 2013 16:05
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cheesetriangles posted:Hey is shadowdancer backstab broken? With a 3x backstab modifier I was getting backstabs for 8, 11, 11 damage etc.. When my normal damage is listed at 7-11 damage. It said backstab for triple damage in the combat log but was still only doing 11 damage. Factor_VIII posted:You need to walk up right behind an enemy's back, then attack. Enemies without a back, such as oozes, cannot be backstabbed. 
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Nov 27, 2013 16:07
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Orgophlax posted:OK, thanks for all that. One other question: Is there another mage to pick up at some point? I want a mage in my party, and as much as I like Xzar, his buddy is useless to me. But I can't get rid of him without losing Xzar as well. Have you tried killing him and then removing him? For some reason, companions don't seem to mind accidents as much.
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Nov 27, 2013 16:15
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:There is, including a big font mod.
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Nov 27, 2013 16:15
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I've got CHARNAME as F/M, Jaheira, Minsc and Yoshimo (eventually will be swapped to Imoen) Which two characters would be good for party interactions? Will there be a meltdown if i pick up both Hexxat and Rasaad?
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Nov 27, 2013 16:23
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Lemon Curdistan posted:Does Shadowkeeper still screw up ThAC0 and such when changing a character's class? I tweaked Khalid to F/M for some dumb reason, and uninstalling that component doesn't revert him back even if I load a save before meeting him. You should now just level up the character normal and everything should be pretty much correct. Saves are pulled from a table so that should allocate correctly. I think spells will also take care of themselves but if not, just do the same as above and manually remove all their spells/abilities. vvv err yeah, sorry, fixed. [e]Also you will have to add the default proficiency points back in, the ones you get when you select the class. It's a lot of work I guess. Rascyc fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Nov 27, 2013 |
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Nov 27, 2013 16:37
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Rascyc posted:base AC back to 20 Don't you mean 10?
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Nov 27, 2013 16:39
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Just purchased the enhanced editions since I had some extra money to burn. Do these automatically update if a patch is released or would I have to pay attention and update manually?Action Jackson! posted:If you run the launcher instead of directly starting the game it will check to see if you have the latest patch. Good to know, thanks! Jive One fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Nov 27, 2013 |
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Nov 27, 2013 16:46
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Jive One posted:Just purchased the enhanced editions since I had some extra money to burn. Do these automatically update if a patch is released or would I have to pay attention and update manually? If you run the launcher instead of directly starting the game it will check to see if you have the latest patch.
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Nov 27, 2013 16:48
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uwu culture posted:Strength bonus isn't multiplied when you backstab, only weapon damage and other bonuses (proficiency, assassin's +1 damage) I would think that a longsword +1 would do more than 11 damage on triple damage multiplier? Otherwise what would be the point when that is the same same as normal damage.
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Nov 27, 2013 16:54
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Rascyc posted:Afaik, yes. Thanks for the answer - I'll restart my game now that the component is uninstalled, and see about fixing it if it doesn't work for some reason.
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Nov 27, 2013 16:58
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uwu culture posted:Actually oozes can be backstabbed
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Nov 27, 2013 17:00
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cheesetriangles posted:I would think that a longsword +1 would do more than 11 damage on triple damage multiplier? Otherwise what would be the point when that is the same same as normal damage. You got a lovely damage roll (either a 1 or a 2) to begin with. Longsword +1 will do 1d8+1 base, so the minimum Backstab x3 non-crit is 6 (before strength and other additions) and the maximum is 27.
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Nov 27, 2013 17:00
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Scent of Worf posted:My main guy is a half-orc (I think) Barbarian who is dual wielding axes, I have Minsc, of course, with a two handed sword, Yoshimo with a bow and some fire arrows, the girl mage from that awesome circus quest and a dark elf cleric I helped back in the city. Oh and also a druid elf woman. If you're still stuck with the fight, here are some more tips: - Use Yoshimo to lay down some traps before the fight, then draw the enemy to the room before. - If Jaheira (the druid) has level 5 spells, have her cast Iron Skins and equip her with the best armor and shield you have. Have her atract the enemies to the traps, and when you fight, she should be tanking the enemy. - If she isn't, have your clerics memorize 5x Animate Dead and use the skeletons to try and tank the trolls. Animate Dead is a 3rd level Cleric spell, so you want to use Viconia's (the dark elf) slots for those and have Aerie (the girl from the circus) memorize Holy Smite instead. Holy Smite is an AoE nuke that only hits evil creatures (so it's mostly party friendly) and has a chance to blind the opponents. - Use your Barbarian rage in this fight. - If either of your clerics has 5th level spells, use those slots for Flame Strike. So, summon skeletons, lay down traps, prebuff and use a tank to engage the enemy and draw them to the traps. Have your other melee fighters stand back a little until you're sure the trolls are attacking either Jaheira or the skeletons, then attack with them as well. Focus fire TorGal. Have Aerie try to slow the trolls, Viconia uses flame strikes (or sling if no casts) and Nalia casts whatever damage spells she has. After you're out of slows/succeed in slowing TorGal, have Aerie switch to casting Holy Smite (and whatever damage spells she has as a mage if she runs dry). Use Yoshimo's fire arrows to finish downed trolls. The door to TorGal's room makes a good bottleneck where you can lead the enemy and take them 1-by-1, but your party is so melee heavy that it's not ideal in this situation. verybad fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Nov 27, 2013 |
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Nov 27, 2013 17:12
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Zephro posted:A few, but later on you get to cheese encounters by casting Time Stop->Alacrity->All your Dragon's Breaths, Horrid Wiltings, Fireballs and Skull Traps at once, then waiting for Time Stop to run out and them all to trigger on top of each other. This sounds even more awesome than the way I'm killing everything now  I think I might've just broken the game though. Accidentally drank 2 Master Thievery pots and noticed they stacked, so I bought every potion I could find, chugged them all, then cleared out every single item that wasn't nailed down. Gonna have more money than God himself once I fence it all.Regarding TorGal fight, how'd you manage the Umber Hulks before him? TorGal fight wasn't poo poo compared to those awful Hulks for me  TorGal you can just open the door, throw in a bunch of webs/entangles, drop a cloudkill, then run in with Keldorn (Free Action) and bait them into the hell pile, run Keldorn back out, then spam fireballs and lightning into the hellpile until it's all dead. So far I've only found one fight where this didn't work immediately, but tossing a couple of Keldorn's dispels and a breach fixed that issue too. Druid elf woman and circus girl have entangle/webs but I'm not sure if you have cloudkill/fireballs with them yet. My PC's a mage and I had Edwin at that point vvv What's an ironman? No reloading? MrTheDevious fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Nov 27, 2013 |
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Nov 27, 2013 17:29
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I'm curious, would people be interested in another Ironman thread? It's been a while since the last one (or I've just missed any thread that has popped up since like the one in 2011). Would there be some interest in getting another one going? I really enjoyed reading it last time even if I didn't end up participating and would like to see folks do it again.
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Nov 27, 2013 17:31
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MrTheDevious posted:This sounds even more awesome than the way I'm killing everything now You can skip the umber hulk fight by using the dog stew the servant tells you about. That being said, you can draw the umber hulks one at a time if you're careful about how you enter the room. Just get someone with a bow to slowly peak around the corners and shoot at them and you'll generally draw them back one at a time. Edit: vvvvv I was not actually aware they were less than 6 HD. Welp.
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Nov 27, 2013 17:32
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Failing that, use the one charge on the wand of cloudkill from Chateau Irenicus to kill them all in one fell swoop.
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Nov 27, 2013 17:36
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John McCain posted:You got a lovely damage roll (either a 1 or a 2) to begin with. Longsword +1 will do 1d8+1 base, so the minimum Backstab x3 non-crit is 6 (before strength and other additions) and the maximum is 27. edit: If you want to avoid crappy backstab rolls, a dual-classed Kensai/Thief can use Kai and still have time to try to backstab before stealth breaks. I think the Kensai damage bonus also gets multiplied by the backstab, and I'm certain the grandmastery proficiency bonus does. gdsfjkl fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Nov 27, 2013 |
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Nov 27, 2013 17:40
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It's everything but the strength bonus that gets multiplied.
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Nov 27, 2013 17:51
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Davoren posted:Failing that, use the one charge on the wand of cloudkill from Chateau Irenicus to kill them all in one fell swoop. I never did figure out how to make that drat wand key turn into actual wands, but just regular casting cloudkill is how I did finally beat the assholes. Just took about 8 tries because one kept running through the door before I could get the cloudkill down because I hadn't yet realized Keldorn had perma free action 
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Nov 27, 2013 17:53
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Protip: Bring Viconia with you when you do Rasaads quest. Near-lethal levels of snark.
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Nov 27, 2013 17:55
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MrTheDevious posted:I never did figure out how to make that drat wand key turn into actual wands In the hallway of undetectable traps where you see an invading thief trigger a trap and die with a duergar calling him an idiot, double click on the pillars that line the wall to turn your keys into wands and disable the traps.
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Nov 27, 2013 17:57
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Lilli posted:I'm curious, would people be interested in another Ironman thread? It's been a while since the last one (or I've just missed any thread that has popped up since like the one in 2011). Would there be some interest in getting another one going? I really enjoyed reading it last time even if I didn't end up participating and would like to see folks do it again. It might be fun, I have serious trouble actually finishing up my playthroughs. Ironman playthrough with some communal support might be just the thing. MrTheDevious posted:vvv What's an ironman? No reloading? Yes.
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Nov 27, 2013 18:01
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Illegal Username posted:Protip: Bring Viconia with you when you do Rasaads quest. Near-lethal levels of snark. Can't say he doesn't deserve it.
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Nov 27, 2013 18:01
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Captain Oblivious posted:Can't say he doesn't deserve it.
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Nov 27, 2013 18:20
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Lilli posted:I'm curious, would people be interested in another Ironman thread? It's been a while since the last one (or I've just missed any thread that has popped up since like the one in 2011). Would there be some interest in getting another one going? I really enjoyed reading it last time even if I didn't end up participating and would like to see folks do it again. That could be fun. I'm used to playing with SCS installed, so dropping down to an unmodded enhanced edition should be doable.
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Nov 27, 2013 18:23
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I've been considering adding an "Ironman Tactics" section to my ongoing LP, but given my terrible update schedule any ironman thread would probably peter out long before I got to the really hard stuff.
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Nov 27, 2013 18:46
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I like the Ironman idea. I'd be down for doing one, would make a nice challenge.
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Nov 27, 2013 19:05
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An Ironman thread sounds fun. I'm feeling the itch to reinstall, so it'll be fun getting my arse handed to me by SCS in a game I haven't played all the way through in a few years! Planning a small team "Bhaalspawn" run (with a Yoshimo cameo) which I've run through along time ago without it being Ironman. Fully expecting to die to Tarnesh or something equally humiliating.
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Nov 27, 2013 19:08
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I remember my first Ironman attempt. I made a mage and he got one-shotted by a crit from one of the two assassins in Candlekeep. In my best Ironman game, I finished all the main game but the final battle, then went to do ToSC. On the werewolf island I wasn't paying attention and forgot that the sirine queen summons more sirens. They managed to charm about half the party, which got me killed. One moment of inattention can have pretty unpleasant consequences.Illegal Username posted:There's some charm to his Worst Undercover Investigator in Faerun thing. 
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My most successful Ironman run to date took an Archer all the way to Yaga-Shura's lair in ToB before biting it. Having a PC that avoids the frontline is pretty handy.
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