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Sex_Ferguson posted:It's pretty good, you guys should give it a read, digs into Naoto's character some more and the new guy is actually a cool dude. For real? The synopsis and the pictures make it look like pandering fanservice.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:For real? That's because that's exactly what it is.
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Nov 27, 2013 06:14
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Oh. Well, poo poo, never mind I guess.
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Nov 27, 2013 06:16
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MrAristocrates posted:I know people who assert it's completely unambiguous that she's trans, and that Kanji is also gay, but I feel like they're missing large parts of what makes those characters interesting by focusing entirely on their sexuality. I think--no, I know, because I'm friendly with a lot of people who hold such opinions--that it's often less that they're "missing" anything and more that they're tired of fake-out PSYCH YOU GUYS THEY WERE TOTALLY NORMAL ALL ALONG LOL PHEW THAT WAS CLOSE bullshit in their entertainment and want this one to be the Progressive Tale of Their Dreams. It's basically just a cross between projection and lamenting what could've been, which is unproductive and depressing at best. (At worst, it's "Here, let me tell you how I would've written it" and then you get to read their embarrassingly ham-fisted after school special.) My counter-argument to them is "find different entertainment", but oh well!
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Nov 27, 2013 06:18
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Mustach posted:Oh, I thought you meant "in the end" as in "overall". Gotcha. I can't remember the picture, though; yet another reason to finish the game again, I suppose. Yeah, no. Believe me Kanji is my favorite character in Persona 4 and if I didn't like him, I wouldn't have sunk hours or practice to get good with him in Arena. However I'd be lying if I said that upon finding out who his japanese VA is didn't help influence that decision.
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Nov 27, 2013 06:19
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Kanji? In Japanaese? Thats disgusting
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Nov 27, 2013 06:21
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Dred Cosmonaut posted:Kanji? In Japanaese? Thats disgusting I weep for the man who doesn't like Tomukazu Seki.
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Nov 27, 2013 06:22
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ManSeriesBrofist posted:I weep for the man who doesn't like Tomukazu Seki. You say that, but stuff like 未 and 末 being two different characters are complete assholes. It's a language joke.
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Nov 27, 2013 06:25
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Technically the Naoto novel and the Yosuke manga were canon as part of the whole "year of Persona 4" campaign, but the fan response to them was so negative that Atlus has decided to politely ignore them. Of course, they're both set after Arena so it's unlikely this'll ever come up unless P5 is more connected to the other games than we anticipated.
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Nov 27, 2013 06:27
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Strange Quark posted:You say that, but stuff like 未 and 末 being two different characters are complete assholes. It's a language joke. Straight over my head. 404GoonNotFound posted:Technically the Naoto novel and the Yosuke manga were canon as part of the whole "year of Persona 4" campaign, but the fan response to them was so negative that Atlus has decided to politely ignore them. Of course, they're both set after Arena so it's unlikely this'll ever come up unless P5 is more connected to the other games than we anticipated. That's the one wish I have for Persona 5 is that it's comepletely isolated from the other sets of Persona characters. I like the guys from 3 and 4. A lot. 3 held my spot for favorite RPG until 4 came along, but as it stands I'm really tired of seeing the characters every drat where because the series blew up and I really want some fresh blood for the series. SethSeries fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Nov 27, 2013 |
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Nov 27, 2013 06:27
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404GoonNotFound posted:Technically the Naoto novel and the Yosuke manga were canon as part of the whole "year of Persona 4" campaign, but the fan response to them was so negative that Atlus has decided to politely ignore them. Of course, they're both set after Arena so it's unlikely this'll ever come up unless P5 is more connected to the other games than we anticipated. The Yosuke manga was a prequel to P4, though. Saki even shows up a lot in it.
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Nov 27, 2013 06:29
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Is Saki actually treated like a reasonable character or is she just treated as psycho bitch because she hated Yosuke? I'm assuming the latter.
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Strange Quark posted:The Yosuke manga was a prequel to P4, though. Saki even shows up a lot in it. Ah, my mistake. I heard it was bland enough to not read in the first place. The "new school" thing in the synopsis just made me think it was after summer vacation, not a flashback to him arriving to Inaba 
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Nov 27, 2013 06:31
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ManSeriesBrofist posted:That's the one wish I have for Persona 5 is that it's comepletely isolated from the other sets of Persona characters. I like the guys from 3 and 4. A lot. 3 held my spot for favorite RPG until 4 came along, but as it stands I'm really tired of seeing the characters every drat where because the series blew up and I really want some fresh blood for the series. I'd rather them realize that it's called Persona 3 for a reason. I'm fine with P3 and P4 characters showing up if P1 and P2 characters show up too. In fact, I'm fine if the party members consist almost entire of P3 and P4 characters if Eikichi is in it. I just really want Atlus to remember Eikichi exists. Hell, I'd take Maya.
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Nov 27, 2013 06:33
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Nov 27, 2013 06:34
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Hellioning posted:I'd rather them realize that it's called Persona 3 for a reason. I'm fine with P3 and P4 characters showing up if P1 and P2 characters show up too. That may just be a nitpick from me, but honestly I'd rather see the 2 characters in a new game, even if it's just a side story, or something neat for the Vita than just show up in P5 and possibly not be super relevant. As I said I'm down for fresh blood, but the world could use more of the Persona 2 cast in other venues.
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Nov 27, 2013 06:36
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Sex_Ferguson posted:Is Saki actually treated like a reasonable character or is she just treated as psycho bitch because she hated Yosuke? I'm assuming the latter. She's mostly portrayed as polite and kind of distant, I guess. We don't really get to see too much characterization since the manga gets in four chapters before it rolls into the early events in the game. The manga itself is also pretty short, if you're interested in taking a look yourself.
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Nov 27, 2013 06:39
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404GoonNotFound posted:gently caress Eikichi, where's Baofu? The Eternal Punishment cast really was great, wasn't it? Baofu, Ulala(? i don't remember if that's spelled right), and Katsuya were all awesome. Maya wasn't as fun as a silent protagonist, but I still liked her. It would actually be super cool to have another mainline Persona game starring adults, too, but I can't really see that happening after the huge success of 3 and 4's school setting.
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Slithy Toves posted:I think--no, I know, because I'm friendly with a lot of people who hold such opinions--that it's often less that they're "missing" anything and more that they're tired of fake-out PSYCH YOU GUYS THEY WERE TOTALLY NORMAL ALL ALONG LOL PHEW THAT WAS CLOSE bullshit in their entertainment and want this one to be the Progressive Tale of Their Dreams. It's basically just a cross between projection and lamenting what could've been, which is unproductive and depressing at best. (At worst, it's "Here, let me tell you how I would've written it" and then you get to read their embarrassingly ham-fisted after school special.) My counter-argument to them is "find different entertainment", but oh well! I was with you until that last sentence. Most media aimed at minority sexual/transgender groups is terrible as hell, and portrayals in other media tend to also be Pretty Bad, so, edit: unless I'm misreading what you meant by entertainment Cheap Diner Coffee fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Nov 27, 2013 |
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Nov 27, 2013 06:50
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Hellioning posted:I'd rather them realize that it's called Persona 3 for a reason. I'm fine with P3 and P4 characters showing up if P1 and P2 characters show up too. IIRC aren't all the kids (excluding Tatsuya) completely unable to summon their Personas after Eternal Punishment? P3 did give minor shoutouts to the entire P1/2 cast in Trish's Corner, and Eikichi's living it up as some kind of quasi sushi chef/judo master/visual kei rock star right now. Kid turned out alright.
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Nov 27, 2013 06:52
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Policenaut posted:IIRC aren't all the kids (excluding Tatsuya) completely unable to summon their Personas after Eternal Punishment? P3 did give minor shoutouts to the entire P1/2 cast in Trish's Corner, and Eikichi's living it up as some kind of quasi sushi chef/judo master/visual kei rock star right now. Kid turned out alright. I'm fairly certain Tatsuya is the only one who CAN'T, given he lost his memories. Restoring Jun/Eikichi/Lisa is a choice, I think. Bold is not spoiler.
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Nov 27, 2013 06:54
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Hellioning posted:I'm fairly certain Tatsuya is the only one who CAN'T, given he lost his memories. Restoring Jun/Eikichi/Lisa is a choice, I think. Jun also loses his because he's the only one who can't get his memories back, no matter what choices you make.
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Cloche posted:The Eternal Punishment cast really was great, wasn't it? Baofu, Ulala(? i don't remember if that's spelled right), and Katsuya were all awesome. Maya wasn't as fun as a silent protagonist, but I still liked her. They could keep the school setting while inching closer to adult characters by putting the game in a university instead of a high school. Persona: The College Years. Or even flip the script by making our characters the teachers instead of the students. But I too would be perfectly happy with another cast of adults who aren't necessarily linked by any particular school, workplace, or other setting, as in Eternal Punishment.
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Nov 27, 2013 06:58
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TurnipFritter posted:Jun also loses his because he's the only one who can't get his memories back, no matter what choices you make. Really? Man I need to replay EP.
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Nov 27, 2013 06:59
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Hellioning posted:Really? Man I need to replay EP. Yeah, because if you let Ginko and Eikichi get their memories back, then it means Jun is literally the only thread that's holding the deal in place. So if you could restore his memories, I guess the world would end (again) and everyone would just be completely hosed.
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Nov 27, 2013 07:01
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Proto Cloud posted:Romancing with Kanji is a bad idea to begin when I never saw any sign of him being interested in being in a relationship with Narukami. On the other hand, the women in the party just crazy for Yu like dogs in heat before you know it. Kanji wanted Naoto and that just didn't quite pan out like he wanted to. In Golden, if you choose to wear the bathhouse towels and talk to Kanji, he'll comment on your chest and ask if her can touch it because your muscles are just that amazing.
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Nov 27, 2013 07:02
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Nessa posted:In Golden, if you choose to wear the bathhouse towels and talk to Kanji, he'll comment on your chest and ask if her can touch it because your muscles are just that amazing. That's cheating, Yu can turn even the straightest man gay for him.
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Don Gato posted:That's cheating, Yu can turn even the straightest man gay for him. This is true. I also tend to think of Kanji as being bi (though I might be biased, being bi myself), because of his attraction to Naoto. I'm one of the few people who appreciate the ambiguity of his sexual identity because 1) having Kanji be straight up gay would only serve to reinforce the negative stereotypes about sewing and fashion making you gay and 2) Kanji's sexuality is for him to figure out and the audience doesn't necessarily have to be privy to that. The correct answer is to always flirt with Kanji all the time.
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Nov 27, 2013 07:17
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Nov 27, 2013 07:19
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I don't like doing that because it feels like I'm making fun of Kanji, but I do it anyway because it freaks out Yosuke.
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Nov 27, 2013 07:20
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Cheap Diner Coffee posted:I was with you until that last sentence. No, and I agree with you, actually! It's just...well, you can either be really upset that a thing that never intended to live up to your ideals didn't, or you can look elsewhere for something that might get closer (or at least tried). This isn't to say that criticizing the failures and missed opportunities is wrong or stupid--much to the contrary, that's fantastic, being intellectually engaged with pop culture is a good thing!--but there's a difference between saying, "The 'flirt with dudes' dialogue choices in Persona 4 would've been better if they weren't presented as wacky joke options" (though I guess you don't have to read them that way...) and feeling betrayed by the resolution of Naoto's character arc. The story the game set out to tell isn't the story they're looking for; yeah, 90% of the stories that are "the story they're looking for" are poo poo, but they're there. Kind of. I'd really just recommend that they get out there and start creating the stuff they want to see, but then I remember The Arkh Project. 
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MrAristocrates posted:I don't like doing that because it feels like I'm making fun of Kanji, but I do it anyway because it freaks out Yosuke. I always read those responses as being straight up flirting, rather than teasing. I also enjoy making Yosuke incredibly uncomfortable. Yosuke is not man enough to be cool with checking out another dude in his swimsuit.
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Dude there needs to be a flirt with everyone option, come on now. And goddamn, I think Yosuke's head would explode if he met Jun aka Fantabulous Flowers Dude
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Would he, though? He seems to have mostly got over it by the night at the inn and if memory serves me right, entirely by the "Where are they now" part in Golden. I mean, not that he isn't a huge jackass for a good chunk of the game, he is, but he does improves over the course of the game.
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Hell, his relationship with Naoto is even more proof of that. He liked her before he knew she was a girl because he liked her as a *person*, not a gender. Which as far as lessons go, that is a drat good one He didn't know her as a person at all. He thought she was cute and was confused, then relieved when it turns out she's a girl.
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The_Frag_Man posted:He didn't know her as a person at all. He thought she was cute and was confused, then relieved when it turns out she's a girl. Maybe they had some small talk after she was done questioning him about the murders during both times he talked with her. Even though Kanji kind of has a hard time speaking without getting agitated, he can still hold a decent conversation, especially if it's going to be with someone who's working with the cops. Who can really say?
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The_Frag_Man posted:He didn't know her as a person at all. He thought she was cute and was confused, then relieved when it turns out she's a girl. Fair enough, I meant that in the sense that he was attracted to her as a "man" and didn't *completely* lose his poo poo over it because boys are gross. He was more worried about what that would make him than anything else, which is a common worry with that kind of thing (seeing that he was already insecure about his adorable bunnies). I always wrote off him being relieved as him being glad that he could still say he was a totally hetero guy forever, rather than have to deal with all of that right then. Which is reasonable, that stuff can be scary at the start.
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BrightWing posted:Yeah, Yosuke is cool in that you can just watch him grow over the entire game from a stupid high school boy to a kinda alright dude. This is one of the few things I sort of liked about Arena's story is that you could see Yosuke is clearly just tired at that point and just wants to chill out. Compared to the start of Persona where he's bored so he's using the deaths of girls to try and play hero.
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