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Tony Montana posted:That Odo guy's 'turn into anything' ability is a bit lovely though. Data was at least an android and robot mens being hardcore is always welcome to a scifi nerd, but Odo is like magic and you can see how you can just write plot from it whenever you need to. Peter David wrote a pretty good* DS9 novel called "The Siege" about a shapeshifter serial killer coming to DS9, wreaking havoc and fighting Odo, in fact it was the first original DS9 book ever. That should get the changeling ex machina out of your system. *Take that assessment in context.
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Do not worry Odo being a shapeshifter is really not important to the series to all. It is something that they should have taken out.
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Nov 27, 2013 23:01
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bobkatt013 posted:Do not worry Odo being a shapeshifter is really not important to the series to all. It is something that they should have taken out.  what!?
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1st AD posted:
There is no way that lets say his people are going to be important to the series. Him being a shapeshifter is just them trying to make a Data like character.
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Nov 27, 2013 23:04
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CPColin posted:Move Along Home? Clearly the episode where Sisko builds a clock.
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Nov 27, 2013 23:06
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The shittiest plot twist was when Odo got sick and turned into black goo after being shot back through time by the Prophets. Poor Tasha. She never knew what hit her. 
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Nov 27, 2013 23:07
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bobkatt013 posted:There is no way that lets say his people are going to be important to the series. Him being a shapeshifter is just them trying to make a Data like character.  welp I'm too used to reading other people's bad opinions hereand my own 
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Nov 27, 2013 23:09
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Duet you pathetic targs. Followed closely by that board game episode you (we) all love.
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Tony Montana posted:I don't know who Gerrold is, without going and hitting up Memory Alpha, but I get the point that it's not all Gene. It's got Gene and only Gene's name on the front, but shall I guess this is a recurring theme (Gene taking credit for other peoples work)? If you go find Gerrold's book The World of Star Trek it's clear who wrote some of the most influential parts of that bible.
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Nov 27, 2013 23:57
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I'm going to assume it was Gene who put in the bit about "the female need to be needed" in Riker's more detailed description part of the bible.
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Guys, it was a different time. Heterosexuality was all the rage in the 60's and 70's.
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I love how there's very little description of the men but every single woman gets "her very feminine figure" stashed somewhere in their blurbs. Oh, Gene 
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Teri Hatcher's character:Memory Alpha posted:The script for "The Outrageous Okona" describes her as "the very feminine and graciously endowed Transporter Commander B.G. Robinson. Everything she has two of are perfectly matched, coordinated, and move with a wonderful grace that is called 'woman.'" It goes onto say she always displays a "very professional manner." 
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Nov 28, 2013 08:12
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Apollodorus posted:Teri Hatcher's character:  This is probably one of the creepiest things I've ever read. Creepy and rather unnecessary for the role. It reads like a goddamn fanfic.
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kelvron posted:
The line between profic and fanfic is much thinner than people like to believe. It all comes from the same creative impulse.
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kelvron posted:This is probably one of the creepiest things I've ever read. Creepy and rather unnecessary for the role. It reads like a goddamn fanfic. Aw comon, are you that much of a nerd? We were saying it before, Trek has beautiful women throughout it. Gene loved beautiful women. I love beautiful women. We all remember Teri Hatcher from that episode, she was a complete knockout. The women don't have to be frumpy so you're not intimidated or it maintains some level of 'realism'. It's American TV, American TV is all beautiful people and still is today. Yay for Trek being cool and fun and also pretty consistently hot. Sorry, but I just read you reply as whiteknighting in a bloody Trek thread (we're mostly middle aged males). Gene probably did take it too far, but I think you also get my point. If we need an extra to hand the Captain a thing, and I see the headshots, this TV. A terrible place where aesthetics trumps all, bloody glad I don't work in it, but I'm going to pick the hottie.
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Nov 28, 2013 10:22
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Male Gaze: The Next Generation.
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I was really pissed about Alice Eve having such a tidy body in Into the Darkness. She looked like a model or something.. geez!
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Tony Montana posted:Aw comon, are you that much of a nerd? We were saying it before, Trek has beautiful women throughout it. Gene loved beautiful women. I love beautiful women. We all remember Teri Hatcher from that episode, she was a complete knockout. The description just seemed really over the top creepy to me.  They could've just said "Attractive woman" without describing her specific attributes and endowments. Maybe I've just been reading too many mock threads recently.
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It is a bit detailed, I'll give you that, but don't forget you're reading internal stuff on what they want to the actors to look like. I assure you for Into the Darkness on the headshots of the other actresses to play Alice Eve's role would have been scribbled 'boobs too small' or 'not HOT enough' and then it all would have been trashed and they moved on. edit: basically, Hollywood Objectifies Women. News at 11 Tony Montana fucked around with this message at 11:42 on Nov 28, 2013 |
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Nov 28, 2013 11:32
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Tony Montana posted:(we're mostly middle aged males). Speak for yourself. I plan to live forever. And Farecoal is 8
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Yeah, it was the details that weirded me out. Seemed like too much for me. Doesn't help that I've read that poo poo unironically in mock threads. I'm not disputing that any of that stuff happens, just seemed a bit much to write it down where anybody could get a hold of it. Liability purposes and all that. Then again acting jobs fall under slightly different rules than say, a corporate job.
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kelvron posted:Yeah, it was the details that weirded me out. Seemed like too much for me. Doesn't help that I've read that poo poo unironically in mock threads. An I'm sure every one of JJ's casting notes were shredded by an intern bound by a NDA and threatened with Universals (I don't even know the studio that did JJ Trek, and I don't care) lawyers if a word was breathed. It's a different time and you're reading the notes of a dead guy from decades ago. Trickjaw posted:Speak for yourself. I plan to live forever. He said 'and I saw 2009 in the cinema and I was 15' and I had to do a double-take. Hey, gently caress it, if there is a single youthful person seeing the value in Trek and not dismissing it as fuddy-duddy bullshit, I guess we got a chance.
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Heliotropic posted:Which series is the most similar to Lexx? Voyager for painful watchability DS9 for bondage-wear TAS for special effects
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TOS for over the top and camp.
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Nov 28, 2013 13:06
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TNG for sexy android  I just watched Who mourns for Morn and I wondered about the guy under that big loveable rubber face, and I think it's hysterical that the actor was in that episode as the unnamed Bajoran who Quark first plants in Morn's chair during his heartfelt plea that it never be empty. Great stuff.
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No, that description really is too over the top and gushy. It's also too vague to be useful as a physical description for an internal reference document. If that was what they were going for, it should've read something like: "Height: such and such; Eyes: So and so; Physical proportions: etc." It being Hollywood makes no excuse for it being one of the worst examples of male gaze, just like TOS being something from the 60s and 70s does not excuse it from accusations of sexism and homophobia.
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Yeah, it's extremely weird and over the top. "Everything she has two of moves with the grace known as woman" is pretty loving creepy. How do your kidneys move with the grace known as woman?
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Yeah, it's extremely weird and over the top. "Everything she has two of moves with the grace known as woman" is pretty loving creepy. How do your kidneys move with the grace known as woman? I am sure that her two big toes are extremely graceful. 
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I disagree. I think it's an imaginative way to describe a beautiful woman, beyond 'large tits and long hair'. "the very feminine and graciously endowed Transporter Commander B.G. Robinson. Everything she has two of are perfectly matched, coordinated, and move with a wonderful grace that is called 'woman.'" First part says she needs to have a chest. The second part is about being physically perfect, perfect symmetry, skin colour, proportions. This is what we commonly refer to as a model or a woman capable of selling her appearance alone. The last part is about a grace, a certain way a woman can carry herself that will make you notice her every move, and not forget. We are describing a beautiful woman, not a pretty girl. This takes some specifics to do. That fact it actually goes beyond simply 'long hair and big tits' indicates some thought into what a beautiful woman is, rather than completely a piece of meat. As for male gaze, I don't think Gene or whoever wrote really cares that they're putting their male, heterosexual view on it. Who is the target market for the show? We need to be able to identify and give our target market what they want. It's not an exercise in feminism or equality - it's network television. edit: on the other hand, I have no idea who I'm actually talking to and therefore I'll stop now. Is using colourful and striking language, perhaps a bit of hyperbole and insight creepy now? Oh hang on, you're actually taking the two of everything part literally.. haha holy poo poo.. Goons! Young guy: Everything she has two of are perfectly matched, coordinated, and move with a wonderful grace Steve Urkel from Family Matters: I bet her kidneys aren't graceful! *audience laughs* Young guy: oh Steve! Tony Montana fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Nov 28, 2013 |
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Geez guys, give Gene a break. He only wrote that because legal nixed "She has to be young and hot and willing to sleep with me."
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Tony Montana posted:Sorry, but I just read you reply as whiteknighting in a bloody Trek thread (we're mostly middle aged males). Hey, watch it. 27 here. And, if you read Gerrold's The World of Star Trek you'll wonder who, exactly, wrote that description. Gerrold has (had?) a flair for the poetic and eve though it goes off the rails here, sounds a lot like his descriptions of the main TOS cast. Dammit I have to find my copy of that book again.
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The creepy part is knowing what Gene was thinking about when he...you know
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Also, Teri Hatcher wasn't given screen credit for that role. I wonder if B.G. Robinson is descended from A.G. Robinson? And if either of them is descended from Andrew G. Robinson?
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Apollodorus posted:Also, Teri Hatcher wasn't given screen credit for that role. Naw, given the pattern they would have to be descended from a Z. G. Robinson.
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Tony Montana posted:
That sounds more like Nicholas Meyer's version of Trek rather than Roddenberry's. Those classic war movie elements weren't introduced until Wrath Of Khan effectively rebooted the franchise, which was a movie Gene hated for being such a departure from his vision. From what I've read Roddenberry's own proposed sequel storyline was something about Klingons going back in time and trying to assassinate JFK. That would've been an interesting Trek movie, but it wouldn't have been WoK.
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Heliotropic posted:Which series is the most similar to Lexx? The only way I can think to replicate Lexx without watching Lexx is to chug cough syrup, chase it with hard liquor and try to watch that lovely Kevin Sorbo sci-fi show I can't recall the name of in the ensuing unpleasant delusion. If done right, all you should be left with is a blur of odd as gently caress and sometimes unpleasent memories, which is all you are left with having watched Lexx. So mission accomplished. EDIT: In all serious I remember.. things about Lexx.. I cannot remember an entire episode. Not much else to watch at 2AM before streaming media was popular.
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Blazing Ownager posted:The only way I can think to replicate Lexx without watching Lexx is to chug cough syrup, chase it with hard liquor and try to watch that lovely Kevin Sorbo sci-fi show I can't recall the name of in the ensuing unpleasant delusion. That would be Andromeda. It was not very good.
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