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PootieTang posted:Didn't the destroy thing just destroy all reaper tech? The geth were freed from it right? And EDI was never infected with reaper tech was she? I understood Destroy to mean the destruction of all synthetic life, AIs, etc. I chose Control purely on the basis of the Geth being my favorite and not wanting to kill them, to be honest. Because ~*happy ending*~
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After successfully murdering Jacob I started up 3 yesterday. I have played so much MP that even at 50% readiness I have enough war assets to beat the game without having done any missions. gently caress you, Council, I don't need your help  I've taken all 3 endings and I've come to like Control more and more. Everybody already expects Shepard to solve all their problems, fight their wars, and fix their poo poo. Control is the logical extension of that, but now when you piss Shep off you don't get a right hook to the face, you get your planet melted. Plus that way everyone gets to live without being full of
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Lightning Knight posted:I understood Destroy to mean the destruction of all synthetic life, AIs, etc. I chose Control purely on the basis of the Geth being my favorite and not wanting to kill them, to be honest. I figured Destroy had the "Oh by the way the Geth and EDI die too!" stuff slapped on because otherwise every single player would just immediately do it without even thinking twice. Starchild: You have three options, one: shoot those wires and destroy the Reapers. Two: Co- Shepard shoots those wires
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I'm kind of wondering: Has anyone here actually done the "get so low a readiness rating that everything fucks up at the end" run of the series? Stuff like killing the Rachni Queen in 1, then saving her replacement, or letting Samara kill herself, then killing her daughter, for example.
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If you want a really low readiness, I think the best option is to simply not do side missions at all.
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Jerusalem posted:I figured Destroy had the "Oh by the way the Geth and EDI die too!" stuff slapped on because otherwise every single player would just immediately do it without even thinking twice. Pretty much. If Destroy hadn't had the caveat that it kills the Geth and to a lesser extent EDI I wouldn't have given the other two options a second thought.
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Regalingualius posted:I'm kind of wondering: Has anyone here actually done the "get so low a readiness rating that everything fucks up at the end" run of the series? Stuff like killing the Rachni Queen in 1, then saving her replacement, or letting Samara kill herself, then killing her daughter, for example. This is my preferred gently caress up run. I don't know how it rates with Galactic readiness but I think it gives a decent bad things happen score to the entire trilogy. quote:ME1.
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Jerusalem posted:I figured Destroy had the "Oh by the way the Geth and EDI die too!" stuff slapped on because otherwise every single player would just immediately do it without even thinking twice. It's consistent at least. I was pissed until I remembered that geth are part Reaper now, so now I'm just mad you have no option to stop the geth becoming part Reaper.
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Hank Morgan posted:Romance Diana Allers
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Lightning Knight posted:Pretty much. If Destroy hadn't had the caveat that it kills the Geth and to a lesser extent EDI I wouldn't have given the other two options a second thought. None of the Destroy ending slides actually shows the geth and EDI dying (aside from her name on the wall in the final scene with the crew) so you can easily just pretend this dumb thing never happened!
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Regalingualius posted:I'm kind of wondering: Has anyone here actually done the "get so low a readiness rating that everything fucks up at the end" run of the series? Stuff like killing the Rachni Queen in 1, then saving her replacement, or letting Samara kill herself, then killing her daughter, for example. If you search YouTube for 'mass effect 2 worst possible ending' there's one where he has 2 or 3 people left and the galaxy is pretty much hosed. There are a few videos of me3, but most of them just show the refuse ending from the extended cut in full. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Dec 2, 2013 |
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Pattonesque posted:None of the Destroy ending slides actually shows the geth and EDI dying (aside from her name on the wall in the final scene with the crew) so you can easily just pretend this dumb thing never happened! It does by exclusion, as Control and Synthesis show the Geth with the Quarians on Rannoch (assuming you saved both that is) and Destroy doesn't.
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I assume they don't actually show them being destroyed because Bioware was too terrified to inflict a negative emotion on their audience by that point. The whole extended destroy ending really lacks teeth.
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If you played Leviathan Destroy has the added bonus of an organic Reaper race with those loving mind control balls everywhere. God-Emperor Shepard alldayerryday
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Bobby Deluxe posted:If you search YouTube for 'mass effect 2 worst possible ending' there's one where he has 2 or 3 people left and the galaxy is pretty much hosed. Somebody recently posted a video of an ME3 ending where EVERYBODY but Joker died. That little plaque with Shepard's name floats over to the memorial wall all by itself.... or maybe Joker just finally reveals that he had super-awesome biotic powers all this time and never mentioned it.
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Jerusalem posted:Somebody recently posted a video of an ME3 ending where EVERYBODY but Joker died. That little plaque with Shepard's name floats over to the memorial wall all by itself.... or maybe Joker just finally reveals that he had super-awesome biotic powers all this time and never mentioned it. I don't think this is possible without a hacked save - Traynor can't die, unless you have a really low EMS in which case everyone on the Normandy is dead.
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2house2fly posted:It's consistent at least. I was pissed until I remembered that geth are part Reaper now, so now I'm just mad you have no option to stop the geth becoming part Reaper. Which is really stupid because in Me2 Legion makes a big deal about how the Geth want to build their own future rather than advance thanks to Reaper tech. Then suddenly in Me3 they're a-okay with Reaper tech. I get that they initially used it for survival but once the Quarian-Geth war was over there's no reason for the Geth to keep using Reaper tech as that's against what they wanted, but they do it anyways.
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Vigilance posted:Which is really stupid because in Me2 Legion makes a big deal about how the Geth want to build their own future rather than advance thanks to Reaper tech. Then suddenly in Me3 they're a-okay with Reaper tech. I get that they initially used it for survival but once the Quarian-Geth war was over there's no reason for the Geth to keep using Reaper tech as that's against what they wanted, but they do it anyways. I agree with this, but I think there's an argument to be made that Legion had that glimpse of sapience, true sapience, and what it would mean for his people, and how the Quarians were so ready and so close to destroying them, and I think it's meant to be taken as a value judgement. That the Geth are so desperate to be free, of both material, physical things like the Quarians, but also of their own personal limitations, their lack of true free will and independent personality. I found that to be rather compelling, when I thought about it, and it's part of why I found the Quarians to be so monstrous when I played that section of the game. I was completely ready to sink the Migrant Fleet until I realized there was an option to save both.
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But I don't think that in ME2 the geth were portrayed as not having "true sapience", just sapience in different, non-individualistic form. ME3 decided not to work with that and instead make them pine for individualism, and some fans of the geth didn't like that and felt like it made them less interesting.
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It also raises a lot of questions. Like, is every Geth process a full individual? If so, what happens to all the ones who are already in platform bodies? If not, and it basically makes Legion an 'I' instead of a gestalt, wouldn't that be an ethical mindfield because you're forcefully subsuming Geth processes into a whole that they might not want to be in? etc. etc.
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I agree that it's a complicated direction I don't really like that they went in, but I think it also has merits in its own right and couldvr been interesting if it weren't there to both force a stupid moral dilemma and somehow make the Quarians having any shot at beating the Geth in open war not laughable stupidity.
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Regalingualius posted:I'm kind of wondering: Has anyone here actually done the "get so low a readiness rating that everything fucks up at the end" run of the series? Stuff like killing the Rachni Queen in 1, then saving her replacement, or letting Samara kill herself, then killing her daughter, for example. Actually, this is my favorite ending out of all of them, and it's a shame that it's so hard to get. Sure, the Crucible destroys the Reapers, but it also kills everyone on Earth, and possibly the other planets. Maybe next time, you idiots won't play with doomsday devices that you don't understand!
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Pattonesque posted:None of the Destroy ending slides actually shows the geth and EDI dying (aside from her name on the wall in the final scene with the crew) so you can easily just pretend this dumb thing never happened!
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SubponticatePoster posted:poo poo, if you don't download the extended cut she disembarks from the Normandy on Blue Lagoon planet! If you don't download the extended cut, it looks like the remnants of the entire fleet is stuck at Earth due to the destroyed mass relay, and the Turians/Quarians will starve because it's likely that most of the Quarian Liveships were shot down due to being sitting ducks, and there isn't enough dextro food to get them anywhere. And Blue Lagoon planet is Earth, Bioware said so  VVVV - Destroy always takes out the Reapers. monster on a stick fucked around with this message at 08:10 on Dec 2, 2013 |
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Mr. Cool Ice posted:Actually, this is my favorite ending out of all of them, and it's a shame that it's so hard to get. Sure, the Crucible destroys the Reapers, but it also kills everyone on Earth, and possibly the other planets. Maybe next time, you idiots won't play with doomsday devices that you don't understand! Hell, if I'm remembering the descriptions of it right, you gently caress up so badly that it doesn't take the Reapers out at all, just destroys all galactic civilization.
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Pattonesque posted:None of the Destroy ending slides actually shows the geth and EDI dying (aside from her name on the wall in the final scene with the crew) so you can easily just pretend this dumb thing never happened! Adams: "EDI doesn't pilot the Normandy; she is the Normandy." The last shot in the Destroy ending (before the tag) is of the Normandy taking off, good as new. Q-E-fuckin-D.
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Kibayasu posted:No, it's pretty true. Feel free to try using Avenger over the Vindicator for the entire game. Or the Viper over the Mantis. Or the Predator over the Carnifex. The damage upgrade alone of those over the previous is significant, unlike in ME3 where there's an attempt to use recoil, accuracy, rate of fire, etc, to introduce pros and cons. I love the viper. With a soldier it's fantastic. I take it every time.
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epenthesis posted:Adams: "EDI doesn't pilot the Normandy; she is the Normandy." Edi's dead, bro. sassassin posted:I love the viper. With a soldier it's fantastic. I take it every time. Word. ME2's weapons might have had less variation than Mass Effect 3's, but they're definitely not straight upgrades. The Vindicator is one of the best guns in the game and you get it super early on. Not to mention that ME2 introduced the idea of recoil, accuracy, rate of fire and such as distinctly different options to the series, rather than blips on a slider as in the first game.
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epenthesis posted:Adams: "EDI doesn't pilot the Normandy; she is the Normandy." 
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Dan Didio posted:Edi's dead, bro. The Vindicator is the only other assault rifle in the game if you don't take the Revenant (or buy the DLC) and it has a massive damage increase. That's basically the definition of "straight upgrade."
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Kibayasu posted:The Vindicator is the only other assault rifle in the game if you don't take the Revenant (or buy the DLC) and it has a massive damage increase. That's basically the definition of "straight upgrade." Except it isn't, because there are other considerations within the mechanics of the game such as full-auto vs. burst fire and the various defences that influence decisions towards the other options. Granted, the Vindicator is, unfortunately, rather overpowered, but it's not the definition of a straight upgrade, by definition.
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Dan Didio posted:Except it isn't, because there are other considerations within the mechanics of the game such as full-auto vs. burst fire and the various defences that influence decisions towards the other options. It does more damage to all types of defence then the Avenger, it has better accuracy, and if you tap the fire button it fires faster while still being more accurate.
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Kibayasu posted:It does more damage to all types of defence then the Avenger, it has better accuracy, and if you tap the fire button it fires faster while still being more accurate. Yeah, it's their lop-sided balancing that's the problem there, not the underlying weapon definitions, classes and variety as defined by the game's mechanics. On paper it works perfectly, in practice, like I said, the Vindicator is an unfortunate outlier in the vein of the Mattock. Maybe Bioware are just bad at balancing Assault rifles.
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Dan Didio posted:Yeah, it's their lop-sided balancing that's the problem there, not the underlying weapon definitions, classes and variety as defined by the game's mechanics. On paper it works perfectly, in practice, like I said, the Vindicator is an unfortunate outlier in the vein of the Mattock. There's only 6 rifles in the entire game, 3 if one excludes the weapon DLC. The Vindicator isn't an "outlier" it's a third of the default weapons of its class.
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It's an outlier in terms of the intended design of the game and what the mechanics support.
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If you've not beaten ME2 with the Avenger and Predator to maintain cut scene integrity then I guess you're not as autistic as I am.
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Dan Didio posted:It's an outlier in terms of the intended design of the game and what the mechanics support. Oh, I see. I'm arguing against a perfectly balanced fantasy version of ME2, not the game we actually got. All the games I create in my head are perfect too.
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Shotguns would be a better example of what Dan Didio is talking about, I think!
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GenericOverusedName posted:Shotguns would be a better example of what Dan Didio is talking about, I think! Pretty much anything except the Assault Rifles.
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