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Suspicious Dish posted:It's one of the many things that make women feel excluded. There's a lot of work to be done, certainly, but every little bit helps. If there's 50 small things that all combine to make them excluded, well, remove one here, remove one there, and suddenly we're down to 20 things, and they'll feel a lot better. Men and women pursue and enjoy different things. You're making up a non-existing "problem" (that there are too few women in software). I myself will fully respect any woman in IT who does a good job, like I will respect a man. "There's a lot of work to be done", haha.
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Pilsner posted:Give me a break. Have you seen the share of women on a tech engineering course? They don't even attempt to sign up, and you can't tell me it's because the male students are scaring them off, because how would the women even know before they got there?
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See women are more drawn to the color pink which looks like red, the color of compiler errors, so women are more subconsciously inclined to make mistakes while programming. I'm sorry, it's a scientific fact.
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Pilsner posted:Men and women pursue and enjoy different things. You're making up a non-existing "problem" (that there are too few women in software). I myself will fully respect any woman in IT who does a good job, like I will respect a man. I'd like to think we're all on the same team but statements like these are hilariously out of touch with actual reports made by actual women in software and related fields. And this is ignoring the fact that the original programmers were women, because it was erroneously thought to be low level clerical work. Reports are they were pretty damned good at it too and ended up going well beyond their station as simple 'coders' because the managers really didn't understand what the tasks would entail.
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Pilsner posted:Give me a break. Have you seen the share of women on a tech engineering course? They don't even attempt to sign up, and you can't tell me it's because the male students are scaring them off, because how would the women even know before they got there? Sorry dude, no one arguing here is saying anything remotely to this, and I doubt anyone would agree. Maluco Marinero posted:I'd like to think we're all on the same team but statements like these are hilariously out of touch with actual reports made by actual women in software and related fields. And this is ignoring the fact that the original programmers were women, because it was erroneously thought to be low level clerical work. Reports are they were pretty damned good at it too and ended up going well beyond their station as simple 'coders' because the managers really didn't understand what the tasks would entail. Strong Sauce fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Dec 2, 2013 |
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Good to know bikeshedding isn't applicable to business matters only.
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Maluco Marinero posted:I'd like to think we're all on the same team but statements like these are hilariously out of touch with actual reports made by actual women in software and related fields. And this is ignoring the fact that the original programmers were women, because it was erroneously thought to be low level clerical work. Reports are they were pretty damned good at it too and ended up going well beyond their station as simple 'coders' because the managers really didn't understand what the tasks would entail. Sorry, but I cannot dig up one ounce of care with regards to the lack of women in computing. Like shrughes said, try focusing on some real problems instead.
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Pilsner posted:Referring to how the job field used to be 40-50 years ago is pretty irrelevant. I'm gonna leave it at this cause this is meant to be CoC, not D&D, but your disregard is pretty telling. A lack of representation heavily contributes to racial and sexual discrimination within a given field, be it politics or business. From your lack of care I imagine you've never been on the business end of that discrimination otherwise you'd class it as a real problem. It is about as real as problems get mate.
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I already know this is going to turn into a ha-ha, fooled you guys, I was trollin yalls good kind of thing, but I can't resist saying it, Pilsner's posts on this page are honestly the stupidest poo poo I've seen in my entire 12+ years on these very forums, and god drat there has been a lot of stupid poo poo in that timeframe.
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You see when you post like Shrughes, you're now the black person in an alley and
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Pilsner posted:Give me a break. Have you seen the share of women on a tech engineering course? They don't even attempt to sign up, and you can't tell me it's because the male students are scaring them off, because how would the women even know before they got there? Maybe they've read your posts. Pilsner posted:Men and women pursue and enjoy different things. You're making up a non-existing "problem" (that there are too few women in software). I myself will fully respect any woman in IT who does a good job, like I will respect a man. I sincerely doubt the latter sentiment. Someone tell me when we go back to awful code and not awful dave winer impressions tia.
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AIDS
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OK, here's some old school code. It's from an application developed on mainframe, which moved to OS/2, then DOS, then Windows. Written in Pascal and Delphi. It was started in the 80's, and this code probably hasn't changed much. Behold the content of the "EDSGSEU_.SKM" file, one of hundreds of such types in the system: code:
This system lived in production until around 2010. I found a comment in a file from 1982. In other horrors, it required about 5 different mapped network paths just to compile, because it had C #includes with hardcoded network paths (like X:\blah). The whole system had pieces in Pascal, Delphi, C, C++, VB6 and .NET. Most files were in 8.3 name format. breaks posted:I already know this is going to turn into a ha-ha, fooled you guys, I was trollin yalls good kind of thing, but I can't resist saying it, Pilsner's posts on this page are honestly the stupidest poo poo I've seen in my entire 12+ years on these very forums, and god drat there has been a lot of stupid poo poo in that timeframe.
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Blinkz0rz posted:You're actually trying to argue that "he" is gender neutral. This is a thing you're doing. God loving drat that's some dumb poo poo. Seriously. gently caress, man. Goddamn. Yes, this has been literally true in this sort of context since the late Old English period (ca. AD 1000 or so, although extant written works are reasonably scarce so it's difficult to trace when exactly the usage began, besides the normal problems with determining informal/spoken usage from formal/written works and the vast number of dialects typical of languages from that era). The rule for the unambiguously neuter use of 'he' has been termed 'the male embracing the female' in the past (Churchill mentioned this once). The use of 'they' for a similar purpose dates from just a little bit later, and both forms have both been in continuous use as a neuter third person singular pronoun for hundreds of years now. Both have their problems, as do more recent attempts to crack this particular egg by using the feminine pronoun throughout in a neuter context ("the female embracing the male"), alternating between masculine and feminine pronouns, etc. The use of 'he' in this context may be related to a general mixup of masculine and neuter nouns and pronouns that occurred starting a few hundred years before the Norman conquest (if you were translating a Latin document which contained 'homo' and 'vir' into "English" circa AD 500, and translated the same document in AD 900 and AD 1300, you would have translated both terms differently two or three times. 'Man' and 'wer' switched(!) meanings in that period, English lost gender for most nouns and lost some of its special and neuter cases, etc; this is the same time period ).
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This is why the first step to fixing education is to restore the classical trivium of grammar, logic and rhetoric as the basis of education, btw
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Otto Skorzeny posted:This is why the first step to fixing education is to restore the classical trivium of grammar, logic and rhetoric as the basis of education, btw I'd prefer mnemonics, coding and fencing.
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Pilsner posted:Men and women pursue and enjoy different things. Never thought I'd see in the Coding Horrors thread, but then I'm pretty naive about these things. Maybe this thread should be like gamers.txt - post codehorrorgrog or get banned. --- No nice sample code to post, but my coworkers insist on using php's extract. Everywhere. For those not familiar with this fantastic function, it lets you dump the keys of an associative array into the symbol table as variables. In practice, this means you have no clue where the hell a particular variable came from, even in an IDE, since lovely code quality means variables are referenced and re-assigned multiple times. Hours spent looking through functions with signatures and code like this: php:<? function shit_function() { global $database, $library; extract($library) ... } ?>
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The fact that this thread has derailed into D&D is the real horror. More coding horrors, please.
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Volmarias posted:The fact that this thread has derailed into D&D is the real horror.
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Pilsner posted:Give me a break. Have you seen the share of women on a tech engineering course? They don't even attempt to sign up, and you can't tell me it's because the male students are scaring them off, because how would the women even know before they got there? Yes. I occasionally along with the OPW organizer to college visits to announce the mentor program. In the freshman university courses, there's consistently a 30-40% female markup. Pilsner posted:Men and women pursue and enjoy different things. You're making up a non-existing "problem" (that there are too few women in software). I myself will fully respect any woman in IT who does a good job, like I will respect a man. Holy poo poo, how is your posting worse than shrughes?
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Volmarias posted:More coding horrors, please. Here's the "password" "hash" function from a $4000 product (actually C rather than C++ but the code tag on this forum doesn't have syntax highlighting for C) C++ code:
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Pilsner posted:you can't tell me it's because the male students are scaring them off, because how would the women even know before they got there?
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Freakus posted:(Hint: check their openssl dependency). What does this mean?
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Someone please explain this smiley, or, if you think I would be happier being totally ignorant of what it means, please don't. Suspicious Dish posted:I've witnessed several times where a male sneer in disgust at women walking into a BoF at FOSDEM and claim that this is a geek-only establishment That is incredibly lovely behavior.
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Dren posted:Someone please explain this smiley, or, if you think I would be happier being totally ignorant of what it means, please don't. It's got a pretty thorough SAclopedia entry.
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Dren posted:Someone please explain this smiley, or, if you think I would be happier being totally ignorant of what it means, please don't. its shorthand for "science/genetics/whatever dictates that women like baking cookies and only men belong in the workplace.
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Okay, so, back to the topic of coding horrors... I can't even make this stuff up. Ever want to make sed or grep worse? Check this out: https://github.com/harthur/replace
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shrughes posted:Okay, so, back to the topic of coding horrors... Are you deliberately trolling given the previous topic? http://jaxenter.com/my-code-is-so-bad-it-makes-people-s-eyes-bleed-46072.html / http://harthur.wordpress.com/2013/01/24/771/
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No, it was a complete coincidence that I quoted verbatim two of the tweets.
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So who's gimmick shitpost account are you again?
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shrughes posted:No, it was a complete coincidence that I quoted verbatim two of the tweets. Cool just checking
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prefect posted:It's got a pretty thorough SAclopedia entry. thanks.
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shrughes posted:No, it was a complete coincidence that I quoted verbatim two of the tweets. I know you're desperately trying to take back the "Worst Poster Award" from Pilsner, but you're going to have to try harder. Maybe compare 9/11 and buffer overflow attacks? Or try to establish a correlation between programming languages and political ideologies?
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Suspicious Dish posted:Or try to establish a correlation between programming languages and political ideologies? Somebody who's really funny and creative should do something with this idea. I'd read it.
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Suspicious Dish posted:I know you're desperately trying to take back the "Worst Poster Award" from Pilsner, but you're going to have to try harder. Maybe compare 9/11 and buffer overflow attacks? Or try to establish a correlation between programming languages and political ideologies? Pot kettle etc
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prefect posted:Somebody who's really funny and creative should do something with this idea. I'd read it. It was a reference to this piece of poo poo that Steve Yegge cranked out one day.
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prefect posted:Somebody who's really funny and creative should do something with this idea. I'd read it. Here is the post from Steve "Fred Lowenol" Yegge that suspicious dish was referring to in case you were blissfully unaware https://plus.google.com/110981030061712822816/posts/KaSKeg4vQtz
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Suspicious Dish posted:It was a reference to this piece of poo poo that Steve Yegge cranked out one day. Otto Skorzeny posted:Here is the post from Steve "Fred Lowenol" Yegge that suspicious dish was referring to in case you were blissfully unaware https://plus.google.com/110981030061712822816/posts/KaSKeg4vQtz Whoops. I had been unaware. There are a couple of interesting things in there, as long as you don't try to take it very seriously. (Also some stupid poo poo.) Although I tend to think of developers as a bunch of raving whackaloons who want to try crazy new poo poo, while DBAs and operations folks are dedicated to making sure nothing ever changes, because then something will break.
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Otto Skorzeny posted:Pot kettle etc If I ever make some lovely posting, please call me out on it. Don't have to be a Mr. Buttchin Jerkface about it.
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Suspicious Dish posted:Mr. Buttchin Jerkface Is this too long for a username?
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