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It's not like the bits were cheap. You would often spend £1.50 to £3 for individual limbs or larger weapons. A fully converted individual mini could end up cost you nearly £10. It's not like they purposely cast the pieces either, they just had open set boxes/blister packs and picked and choose when needed. It was a specialist service no doubt, but it was invaluable for converters.
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And that £10 covered the cost of storing the left over parts for months because no-one else wanted them? It covered the cost of the staff that had to pick each individual piece which is a much more labour intensive process than chucking a box in a cart, and all the other associated costs of having a large pool of stock that isnt moving? I don't think so. It may have been an invaluable tool for converters, but what it tells you is that there aren't enough of them to justify it. Especially since the most popular bits are still available from the website (Wings, Jump packs, horses and specialist weapons). But thats the last I'll say on the subject since this thread is for cool pictures of models.
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Lethemonster posted:I now do all my spraying with my ears covered too because when I had ear surgery my surgeon found blue paint in my ear from spraying my phoenix Thanks for giving me a health reason to never again forget to wear my headphones while airbrushing! Edit: probably should cover my eyes as well Squibsy fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Dec 3, 2013 |
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Don't forget your rear end in a top hat. You don't want to explain your proctologist what "typhus corrosion" is and how it ended up in your butt.
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Not a viking posted:Don't forget your rear end in a top hat. You don't want to explain your proctologist what "typhus corrosion" is and how it ended up in your butt. Is Nurgle's Rot even treatable, for that matter?
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serious gaylord posted:So what you're saying is a company should prop up a side of the business that is costing them massive amounts of money so that the 1% of customers that use that service can spend minute amounts of single sword arms and shields. How do you suppose they'd keep that going? By raising prices in other parts of their business. You haven't seen a Games Workshop product catalogue, have you? I'm referring to the kind that only store owners are allowed to see. Monster said the rest.  
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Dec 3, 2013 14:42
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Maybe we should start up our own trade group for bits and pieces.
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I ended up with a really nice black by just pouring water into my Abbadon Black and it's about the only useful thing I can figure out for it.
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Monster w21 Faces posted:Maybe we should start up our own trade group for bits and pieces.
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berzerkmonkey posted:There was a thread, but nobody ever really used it. So, just like the GW one? 
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Post 9-11 User posted:You haven't seen a Games Workshop product catalogue, have you? I'm referring to the kind that only store owners are allowed to see. Yeah, only store owners and every dork they chose to show it to. Aside from wholesale pricing and ordering information, that thing didn't have anything that wasn't on the site back in the days of bits.
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So I wanted to customize my IG Company Commander a bit and on a fluke decided to make her female just because but after trying out with one of the Glade Guard heads I'm really not sure about it as they are probably a tad too small which makes it looks somewhat off. Most likely the thick legs that does it as well as the head being a size too small as well. And then I tried giving her one of the Glade Guard swords because of the better pose and with one of the loose shoulder pads to cover up the fact that the arm is really small.  Still uncertain if I wanna keep going with this or just scrap the idea since it just looks somewhat off. And it's not like I can use the Glade Guard chest pieces because GW in their infinite wisdom decided that you are not allowed to mix and match some parts and made them way too small proportionally.  
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Keep at it, conversions can always look a little iffy until they're finished.
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PeterWeller posted:Yeah, only store owners and every dork they chose to show it to. Aside from wholesale pricing and ordering information, that thing didn't have anything that wasn't on the site back in the days of bits. And was no different to those catalogues you could buy in store up until 2004 or so.
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I thought so. It's not a tightly kept secret, but the wholesale prices will make you weep, especially considering how they are making a colossal profit even before the 50%+ retail markup.
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Dec 3, 2013 18:46
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GW's trade price is 50% off retail.
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GW's trade price is more in the vicinity of 60% of retail. Most retailers, if they charge full price, make 40% of that retail price. If they go through a distributor instead of dealing with GW directly, they make less. Tangent: Why would you deal with a distributor rather than GW? GW dictates to the retailer how much stock they must have on the shelves, regardless of the store size or sales. They also dictate that, as a GW stockist, you must carry all new releases, regardless of if you think a $20 Hobbit will sell. I've seen (and worked at) stores drop GW entirely because of their draconian policies and lovely margins. Post 9-11 User posted:I thought so. It's not a tightly kept secret, but the wholesale prices will make you weep, especially considering how they are making a colossal profit even before the 50%+ retail markup. berzerkmonkey fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Dec 3, 2013 |
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And then what? How many people are buying Infinity figures at stores? I have literally never seen one. Hell, my FLGS doesn't even carry Privateer Press. A store further away but much bigger is still 3 wall shelves of GW, and then everything else combined only has 2 shelves. If you're not going to sell GW you're going to miss selling to like 60 percent of the market.
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:And then what? How many people are buying Infinity figures at stores? I have literally never seen one. Hell, my FLGS doesn't even carry Privateer Press. A store further away but much bigger is still 3 wall shelves of GW, and then everything else combined only has 2 shelves. If you're not going to sell GW you're going to miss selling to like 60 percent of the market. That's pretty circular though. Of course no one is buying Infinity figures in stores that don't carry them. My LGS has GW stuff and Privateer stuff, but they have a half dozen regular Infinity and Malifaux players (each) but can't stock that stuff because they have literally no more room, and are not allowed to lower their GW stock even though people don't buy 80% of it. No one plays LOTR, but they have to stock it anyway because GW won't let them sell paint or 40K otherwise.
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I'm a huge butt for mixing this thread up with general 40k. I'll be selling some of my painted armies on eBay so I can make space for a painting table, will post links later today. It's been about six months since I had a painting space at all. 
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JoshTheStampede posted:That's pretty circular though. Of course no one is buying Infinity figures in stores that don't carry them. My LGS has GW stuff and Privateer stuff, but they have a half dozen regular Infinity and Malifaux players (each) but can't stock that stuff because they have literally no more room, and are not allowed to lower their GW stock even though people don't buy 80% of it. No one plays LOTR, but they have to stock it anyway because GW won't let them sell paint or 40K otherwise. Obviously, but that's not the point. Your local store has half a dozen each of Infinity and Malifaux players, but how many WH40k players does it have? My crappy store in East Jesus Nowhere, NJ, still moves old GW poo poo that I'm amazed sells. I don't know any Hobbit players but I still think you're going to do better selling GW and moving Tac Marine boxes and taking the Hobbit loss than relying on selling someone 5 infinity models.
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ijyt posted:Keep at it, conversions can always look a little iffy until they're finished. We'll see, though I think I need to find a better sword and pistol combo.
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:Obviously, but that's not the point. Your local store has half a dozen each of Infinity and Malifaux players, but how many WH40k players does it have? My crappy store in East Jesus Nowhere, NJ, still moves old GW poo poo that I'm amazed sells. I don't know any Hobbit players but I still think you're going to do better selling GW and moving Tac Marine boxes and taking the Hobbit loss than relying on selling someone 5 infinity models. Well, I can only comment on who shows up for their mini gaming nights to play in the store, but it's usually 4 or 5 40k players, 2 fantasy players, 2-4 Warmahordes and some combination of the infinity and malifaux groups. Obviously there's some people who come in to buy things and don't play but the GW policies have the immediate effect of freezing other games out of the market by forcing retailers to fill their shelves with garbage no one wants just to be allowed to sell the stuff they do. Obviously it's "smart" for GW to do this, rear end it kills competition games, and once that is in place retailers have no choice but to comply or lose the 40k business, but in terms of how it affects the hobby and the gaming community it's really lovely.
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Games Workshop Retail and Logistics Management Megathread: sometimes we talk about painting too.
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polyfractal posted:Games Workshop Retail and Logistics Management Megathread: sometimes we talk about painting too. I'd suggest moving it over to the how not to run a gaming business thread, but I think in there they want to have fights over whether selling 300 copies of an RPG book is respectable or not.
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I find it very hard to believe that GW is forcing people to sell Hobbit minis with the express purpose of attempting to burn shelf space from other companies. We aren't talking about GW sending people 1000 Frodo figures or something, and the amount of space I've seen dedicated to LotR would probably not even satisfy most small mini companies. It's GW trying to sell less popular product on the back of popular ones, they aren't trying to inundate shelf space. On topic, how hard is it to convert Khan to ride something? I accidentally bought two and I guess one will be mounted and one will not, and I'm thinking of maybe converting one of the 30k jetbikes to a Moondrakkan, but how much of Khan can I actually expect to be using? It doesn't seem like much will transfer well.
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:I find it very hard to believe that GW is forcing people to sell Hobbit minis with the express purpose of attempting to burn shelf space from other companies. We aren't talking about GW sending people 1000 Frodo figures or something, and the amount of space I've seen dedicated to LotR would probably not even satisfy most small mini companies. It's GW trying to sell less popular product on the back of popular ones, they aren't trying to inundate shelf space. Seems like you could just cut him of at the waist and stick him on some biker legs.
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JerryLee posted:I'd suggest moving it over to the how not to run a gaming business thread, but I think in there they want to have fights over whether selling 300 copies of an RPG book is respectable or not. His big fur cape is separate, so just cut the legs off and glue his torso onto a set of biker legs. Looks easy to do, especially since his holster seems to be mostly separate from the torso: 
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Caddrel posted:Does anyone have suggestions for painting in a small apartment? I'd like to do some painting but I'm worried I wont be able to air out the apartment enough. I forgot to ask about gluing as well. Aren't the fumes from plastic glue harmful? I'm guessing I should just super-glue everything rather than have plastic glue fumes filling up my studio apartment.
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Caddrel posted:I forgot to ask about gluing as well. Aren't the fumes from plastic glue harmful? I'm guessing I should just super-glue everything rather than have plastic glue fumes filling up my studio apartment. The amount you'll need is pretty modest as long as you don't eat it or something. Best lesson of glue is that less is more; you want part : glue: part, not part : glue : paint: glue : more glue : paint: part. Keep it simple and it should be easy. Actually, if I were you, I'd just superglue all your models for now, because plastic cement welds a bond. If these are your first models, some day you are gonna come back and want to re-do them, and you'll be pissed if you welded everything together all retarded. I speak from experience. If you don't like a superglue bond, you can just toss the model in the freezer for a half hour and it'll snap right off. Plastic cement, on the other hand, is forever.
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Caddrel posted:I forgot to ask about gluing as well. Aren't the fumes from plastic glue harmful? I'm guessing I should just super-glue everything rather than have plastic glue fumes filling up my studio apartment. This depends on how much glue you use, I doubt you are slathering glue all over every piece or doing hundreds of minis in one go.
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:And then what? How many people are buying Infinity figures at stores? I have literally never seen one. Hell, my FLGS doesn't even carry Privateer Press. A store further away but much bigger is still 3 wall shelves of GW, and then everything else combined only has 2 shelves. If you're not going to sell GW you're going to miss selling to like 60 percent of the market. Hold on, you guys don't have game stores like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go5WlI2tXr4 Admittedly they've remodeled since then so they have more space for magic, there's a store tour video on YouTube too that shows their new decorations.
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Caddrel posted:I forgot to ask about gluing as well. Aren't the fumes from plastic glue harmful? I'm guessing I should just super-glue everything rather than have plastic glue fumes filling up my studio apartment. They are, but they don't fume up enough for it to be a worry unless you do your hobbying in a literal closet with zero ventilation and huddle your face right over the model. You'd have to be basically huffing it for it to be dangerous.
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Caddrel posted:I forgot to ask about gluing as well. Aren't the fumes from plastic glue harmful? I'm guessing I should just super-glue everything rather than have plastic glue fumes filling up my studio apartment. Don't spraypaint in a house or apartment. I would sometimes spraypaint in the garage during Winter, since sub freezing temperatures will cause paint bubbling. Other than that, there is no excuse for painting indoors, it will stink up the whole place and is generally unpleasant. In general, gluing is always done indoors. Non-toxic plastic cement sucks but well worth the longer curing time in order to avoid unhealthy fumes. When using super glue I hold my breath before applying the glue to a miniature, then set the mini far away for curing.
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On the topic of less is more, I want to share my rattlecan method because I've been spraying a lot of dudes lately. I used to piss through a lot of spray paint because I'd stand the models up (usually taping them down so they wouldn't tip over) on a box top and spray them like that. I've saved an awful lot of spray paint by laying them down in a circle, bases pointed inward. Doing that, you can spray in gentle arcs rather than off into space, and you can rotate the box top with your wrist and make sure that all the time you are spraying, you're getting a model, and not the bottom of a base or nothing. It's easy to piss through primer if you aren't thinking about it.
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Jonny Nox posted:Hold on, you guys don't have game stores like this? Aww yeah, the Sentry Box  Under 15 posted:On the topic of less is more, I want to share my rattlecan method because I've been spraying a lot of dudes lately. I used to piss through a lot of spray paint because I'd stand the models up (usually taping them down so they wouldn't tip over) on a box top and spray them like that. I've saved an awful lot of spray paint by laying them down in a circle, bases pointed inward. Doing that, you can spray in gentle arcs rather than off into space, and you can rotate the box top with your wrist and make sure that all the time you are spraying, you're getting a model, and not the bottom of a base or nothing. It's easy to piss through primer if you aren't thinking about it. Great tip, I noticed how quickly I tended to burn through cans of primer.
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JoshTheStampede posted:They are, but they don't fume up enough for it to be a worry unless you do your hobbying in a literal closet with zero ventilation and huddle your face right over the model. You'd have to be basically huffing it for it to be dangerous. I use a lot of plastic cement when I'm scratch-building. The most important thing is to not huddle over your work and inhale the fumes directly. If I'm not careful I get headaches after a few hours of building.
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Hey, I'm extremely new to wargaming (first ever minis bought today) and was wondering about two things. 1) With what should I attach the parts. I've heard a lot about pinning, but is that the only/best way to do things? 2) Painting comes after piecing together the little blokes, right? Wouldn't that make the little nooks and crannies beneath arms and such a serious pain to paint? (Additionally, I'm painting Infinity miniatures, if this makes any difference.)
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Jade Mage posted:Hey, I'm extremely new to wargaming (first ever minis bought today) and was wondering about two things. The short answer to both is "depends". Generally you can use superglue for everything. Pinning is only needed when a joint is too heavy or finicky to hold up under superglue. That said, it depends on you being able to drill a tiny hole in whatever it is you are pinning and Infinity minis are pretty loving spindly, so its not easy to do. I would wager you would be fine with superglue. As far as assembling vs painting, you'll find people who are diehards either way. I always assemble everything before priming and painting, some people paint on the sprue and then assemble and touch up afterwards. Just do whichever feels right to you, both have pros and cons.
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