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Bit off topic but has anyone read the Warmachine/Hordes books by whatever Privateer Press uses to publish them? Are they any good?
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For whomever missed it the first time, Aurelian is back on sale. So hopefully we can expect the other limited edition releases in the future.
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Nov 30, 2013 14:06
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Any new on the Night Lords omnibus? Or, as I call it, "How the Night Lords Got Their Groove Back". As a side note, ADB writes the best apothecaries. I want Variel and Kargos to have a TV series together, House MD style. Sephyr fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Nov 30, 2013 |
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Nov 30, 2013 15:50
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Sephyr posted:Any new on the Night Lords omnibus? Or, as I call it, "How the Night Lords Got Their Groove Back". Talos was also an Apothecary!
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Nov 30, 2013 18:47
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ADB talks about playing an Apothecary in his RPGs a lot, so it's no surprise he makes the Apothecaries the best characters.  I'm sure in his upcoming Black Legion series there will be at least one insanely awesome Apothecary character.
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Nov 30, 2013 19:04
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Finished Angel Exterminatus, it was one of the better books. But i am really getting sick of reading about strange objects being shoved into Fulgrim's body.  Anyways my thoughts: - I found the whole subplot with the loyalists more or less pointless - Why is there a random short story about Ferrus Manus's childhood? It felt so out of place and random. - Kroeger feels like a clone of Uzas from ADB's Night Lord Trilogy, just more poorly done. - Perturabo is awesome, and he definitely a much more sympathetic traitor primarch. What i don't understand: - I don't understand how the loyalists were able to navigate the maze, since only apparently Perturabo could figure out the maze? - What exactly was the Eldar who was helping fulgrim's goal? I get the one helping the Loyalists was a dark eldar. But why did the other one want to help fulgrim? - Why did Perturabo smashing fulgrim with a hammer cause fulgrim to become Angel Exterminatus?
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Nov 30, 2013 21:03
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UberJumper posted:What i don't understand: 1) Secret back door. 2) You got me on that one. 3) It required a sacrifice of note, and Perturabo killing him worked, then Slannesh happened.
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Dec 1, 2013 00:19
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Hey, find your way through this deadly maze, which is basically impossible to navigate, and may very we'll make you get lost for all eternity... Or just take the back door which takes you straight to the end, you know, whatevs
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Dec 1, 2013 00:25
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Kegslayer posted:Bit off topic but has anyone read the Warmachine/Hordes books by whatever Privateer Press uses to publish them? Are they any good? I've read In Thunder Forged as well as the five novellas from the Kickstarter. Brief impressions: In Thunder Forged: Decent mix of combat and espionage. Less compelling than the BL Holy Trinity (Abnett, ADB, Wraight), ahead of the other stuff. Butcher novella: Awesome, provides a good backstory to Butcher. Skips around time to different parts of his life, but not too hard to follow. Makeda novella: Interesting, fleshes out Skorne society a bit more and it makes sense to me now. Caine novella: Another good one. Big twist in the story that made me go  when I realized what happenedDevil Dogs novella: Eh. It was ok. Feels like it was written mostly to hype up the coming of Cyriss. Moving Targets: Pretty bland. Felt like the PP equivalent of bolter porn. Overall I'd definitely recommend Butcher/Makeda/Caine novellas, maybe In Thunder Forged if you're getting some stuff from Amazon anyways. If you want to check about the other ones, I suggest going to the WMH thread in Trad Games, or the IKRPG thread there. People discuss Black Library stuff in the WH40k thread on occasion anyways, so it's not like there isn't precedent.
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Dec 1, 2013 03:36
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UberJumper posted:Finished Angel Exterminatus, it was one of the better books. But i am really getting sick of reading about strange objects being shoved into Fulgrim's body. Kroeger was first introduced in Storm of Iron, fyi. Many, many years ago.
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Dec 1, 2013 04:17
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Theparker posted:
So does that mean Fulgrim is now possessed by something again? Also if they needed a sacrifice why didn't he just remove Perturabo's head? Why try and sap all of perturabo's strength into a crystal then want to kill him? I thought that was the strength he needed for the ascension. Better yet what was the point of him packing himself with eldar gems. Dravs posted:Hey, find your way through this deadly maze, which is basically impossible to navigate, and may very we'll make you get lost for all eternity... Or just take the back door which takes you straight to the end, you know, whatevs Plotdoor Shroud posted:Kroeger was first introduced in Storm of Iron, fyi. Many, many years ago. Its been awhile since i read it, but wasn't he more or less a mindless khorne bezerker? UberJumper fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Dec 1, 2013 |
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Dec 1, 2013 06:45
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UberJumper posted:So does that mean Fulgrim is now possessed by something again? Also if they needed a sacrifice why didn't he just remove Perturabo's head? Why try and sap all of perturabo's strength into a crystal then want to kill him? I thought that was the strength he needed for the ascension. Better yet what was the point of him packing himself with eldar gems. No, he has taken his final form, much like Angron, as a deamon prince. I have no clue for that second part, chalk it up to McNeil being full of plot holes. I think by being destroyed with the soul stones inside of him, he gave them to Slannesh upon death, and Slannesh rewarded him with his new deamon prince body for it, much like how Lucius destroyed the first ones on the world, and resurrected, but this is all speculation.
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Dec 1, 2013 08:05
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Just finished the night lords trilogy by ADB. I enjoyed it very much. The perspective of traitor marines after the heresy was refreshing. I liked the banter between Talos and his squadmates, or the kind of flippant attitude they have towards anything that isn't them. Although they treat their slaves alright(kind of), ADb makes sure that you never consider them actually unquestionable good in nature or morals. Like its really sobering when they engage in excessive violence against mortals. It reminds you that these character, no matter how nice they appear at one moment, hold the rest of the galaxy in contempt. I still appreciated that they weren't mustache twirling villains. So far ADB is consistently good in my opinion. Cant wait for his book about the emperor.
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Dec 1, 2013 23:01
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ADB is indisputably the best Black Library author when it comes to characterization, which is something wh40k fiction was severely lacking in. Abnett and Wraight are alright at narrating characters, but the former tends to focus more on the plot while the latter goes for more simplistic characters.
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Dec 1, 2013 23:15
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"These are the men of First Claw, and they shall die as they lived...running away from battle while trying to stay alive."
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Dec 2, 2013 01:51
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There's currently a 30% coupon on Amazon. This will allow you guys to purchase the Visions of Heresy book on Amazon for $35ish if you guys are interested. Edit: Code is BOOKDEAL Edit2: Its not for the original collector's edition book. Shadowhand00 fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Dec 2, 2013 |
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Dec 2, 2013 05:56
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So hey, that Black Library Advent Calender thing has decided that Be'lakor is back, but also in 40k this time. Good job keeping things seperate there guys.
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Dec 2, 2013 06:55
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Named demons spanning both settings isn't anything new. Every special character in the demon codex and army book, for example.
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Quick 2-book review: Deathwatch is really fuckin' bad, Ahriman: Exile is pretty darn good.
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UberJumper posted:Its been awhile since i read it, but wasn't he more or less a mindless khorne bezerker? He was also badly outnumbered and about ready to buy the farm before Perturabo and his Iron Circle showed up. Perturabo then promoted Kroeger on the spot because he saw that Kroeger fought because he enjoyed it, not because he wanted glory or kudos. Kroeger is pretty awesome.
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Dec 2, 2013 14:42
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Big Willy Style posted:Named demons spanning both settings isn't anything new. Every special character in the demon codex and army book, for example.
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So i was thinking of buying Pariah by Dan Abnet. What's the consensus on that?
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Dec 4, 2013 04:18
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Kharn_The_Betrayer posted:So i was thinking of buying Pariah by Dan Abnet. What's the consensus on that? Top tier for BL books, not too bad even by grown-up standards.
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Kharn_The_Betrayer posted:So i was thinking of buying Pariah by Dan Abnet. What's the consensus on that? It's a good 40k and Abnett novel but it's not a very good Eisenhorn v Ravenor novel due to a lack of those two characters.
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Kharn_The_Betrayer posted:So i was thinking of buying Pariah by Dan Abnet. What's the consensus on that? It needs more sequel.
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Dec 4, 2013 04:23
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I ran across a pretty great quote. The Lion is in the midst of his crusade against the beasts on Caliban, and he's having a chat with Z, and says "The Lion" posted:‘Then you are perceptive, Zahariel,’ said the Lion. ‘There is something wrong with the beasts. I don’t know what it is, but they are not just some other race of beasts like horses, foxes or humans, they are aberrations, twisted mistakes wrought from some early form that has not yet had the good grace to die out on its own. Can you imagine what it must be like to be so singular a creature? To go through life knowing, even on some animal, instinctual level that you are alone and that there will never be more of you. Think how maddening that must be. The beasts were not just driven by hunger, they were insane, driven to madness by their very uniqueness. Trust me, Zahariel, we are doing them a favour by destroying them all.’ and it just struck me that the same could be said of the Primarchs. I remember reading somewhere in a traitor legion novel how they were all flawed beings and everyone's dead and forgotten now, and what did it matter anyway? I just thought it was a very poignant quote. Cream_Filling posted:Top tier for BL books, not too bad even by grown-up standards.
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Pariah is good but it really is only the first part of a story. Also, don't bother if you haven't finished Eisenhorn and Ravenor already.
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Waroduce posted:I went in expecting Eisenhorn 2.0 (or at least some focus on the characters we know and love) and was extremely disappointed. My main problem was that it wasn't at all clear what the gently caress was going on with the eponymous pariah character for most of the book--her origins, why she has a familiar name, etc. etc. It's only towards the end of the end of the book that I stopped feeling quite so confused and lost, and that's not a good thing. Like you said, I'm sure if I had the second book in the trilogy to read right on into, I would feel a lot better about it, but it doesn't stand very well on its own.
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I finished Betrayer pretty much in a single sitting, and ADB is good. That was without a doubt my favorite Horus Heresy book. Poor Angron 
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UberJumper posted:I finished Betrayer pretty much in a single sitting, and ADB is good. That was without a doubt my favorite Horus Heresy book. Angron got pretty much the roughest deal among the primarchs, but the most pitiable character of that book is Argel Tal. ADB pretty much made him to be a decent person who gradually loses everything worth having and then finally dies to save a life that was never truly in particular danger. He and Asami Sato from Legend of Korra should compare notes.
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Sephyr posted:Angron got pretty much the roughest deal among the primarchs, but the most pitiable character of that book is Argel Tal. ADB pretty much made him to be a decent person who gradually loses everything worth having and then finally dies to save a life that was never truly in particular danger. I felt bad for Kharn the most. He gets the Nails in order to feel closer to Angron - who doesn't give a drat. His brothers put them in too, and they drop like flies because of their lack of cohesion and tactics. Every other legion has no respect for them because they're mindless berzerkers. His best buddy Argel Tal see above, gets offed by Erebus, who he can't even kill in retaliation because Chaos protects him.
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Sephyr posted:Angron got pretty much the roughest deal among the primarchs, but the most pitiable character of that book is Argel Tal. ADB pretty much made him to be a decent person who gradually loses everything worth having and then finally dies to save a life that was never truly in particular danger. Yeah i felt bad for Argel Tal, and it shows how broken the poor guy is, that his last real link to humanity was Cyrene. I don't quite understand Asamai Sato tho? Shroud posted:I felt bad for Kharn the most. I felt Kharn and the other War Hounds tried too hard to please their gene-sire. They full well knew that no matter what they did could ever make Angron normal and adopt them as sons. The most moment, that shows how broken angron to me is when he makes the sash of skulls from his old gladiator buddies, conquering everything with them. It is really depressing mental picture. I also found it funny that he is more attached to those skulls than to Lorgar, he doesn't become enraged when Guilliman is beating up Lorgar, no he only looses it when Guilliman steps on one of his friends skulls. The one thing i don't get is why the gently caress didn't the emperor help out Angron on that night? If he had done that the odds are Angron would be loyal. If he can teleport Angron up, i don't see why he doesn't teleport himself down and cause everyone to bow. UberJumper fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Dec 4, 2013 |
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UberJumper posted:The one thing i don't get is why the gently caress didn't the emperor help out Angron on that night? If he had done that the odds are Angron would be loyal. If he can teleport Angron up, i don't see why he doesn't teleport himself down and cause everyone to bow. Nobody knows. For all we know Angron actually died there and was teleported up to be revived but just doesn't remember it.
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I got about a quarter of the way through Unremembered Empire when it dawned on me I have no idea how the Mechanicum fit into The 500 Worlds. Did Guilliman just end up having to donate some planets to be forgeworlds for them or ordered to by the Emperor cause allies or what? I have trouble letting little details go unresolved. And Euten is a fun character.
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Dec 4, 2013 21:39
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Lead Psychiatry posted:I got about a quarter of the way through Unremembered Empire when it dawned on me I have no idea how the Mechanicum fit into The 500 Worlds. Did Guilliman just end up having to donate some planets to be forgeworlds for them or ordered to by the Emperor cause allies or what? Euten was basically RG's governess right? If you read Know No Fear, it specifically mentions a forge world/moon that orbits Calth when the Word Bearers attack. I think there is also mention in that book how the planets within Ultramar are balanced between production, administration, and whatever meaning that there isn't much need for Forge Worlds as they appear in other parts of the galaxy.
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UberJumper posted:
The real reason is that in order for things to unfold the way we all know they do, the Emperor needs to be needlessly(?) undiplomatic at a number of key junctures. Give Angron a chance to be well/better adjusted, you might change the whole Heresy. Heresy fiction is basically an exercise in having a long-rear end chain of idiotic decisions [by more people than just the Emperor, to be fair] that have already been decreed by fiat to have taken place, and trying to tell a compelling narrative about them. They do a pretty good job, all things considered.
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UberJumper posted:
A character from Legend of Korra whose life tends to be a chain of vague hopes followed by crashing disasters. She wouldn't feel too out of place in some 40k fiction.
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UberJumper posted:
I think it was implied that the Emperor could have saved Angron and the rebels given that he was there along with his flagship but Nuceria was a technologically advanced world that was about to be willingly brought to compliance. The Emperor weighed Angron's pride and the lives of his enslaved friends against the benefits that Nuceria could bring to the crusade and the sector and chose like any pragmatist would. A utilitarian primarch like Guilliman or Cruze would have had no issue and would have understood the necessities of war but not so for honourable Angron.
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Kegslayer posted:I think it was implied that the Emperor could have saved Angron and the rebels given that he was there along with his flagship but Nuceria was a technologically advanced world that was about to be willingly brought to compliance. The Emperor weighed Angron's pride and the lives of his enslaved friends against the benefits that Nuceria could bring to the crusade and the sector and chose like any pragmatist would. But the whole place was abandoned and stricken from imperial archives so that doesn't make any sense.
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Cream_Filling posted:For all we know Angron actually died there and was teleported up to be revived but just doesn't remember it. That would be a nice twist i like that idea. Kegslayer posted:I think it was implied that the Emperor could have saved Angron and the rebels given that he was there along with his flagship but Nuceria was a technologically advanced world that was about to be willingly brought to compliance. The Emperor weighed Angron's pride and the lives of his enslaved friends against the benefits that Nuceria could bring to the crusade and the sector and chose like any pragmatist would. I would think the loyalty of a primarch. Would far outweigh the value of a single planet.
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