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Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Alter Ego posted:

If recent history has taught me anything, it's that our media will keep stories that embarrass Democrats alive for as long as possible--and as the poster above pointed out, the ACA that passed in March of 2010 killed Democrats in November 2010. It's not entirely unreasonable to think that it will still be an issue.

If the website gets fixed and millions of people sign up by the middle of March then ACA is something Democrats are bringing up. If enrollment ends with the website still loving up and nowhere near the target numbers are reached, it'll be the first and last thing every Republican says withing earshot of a camera or a voter. Of course we've also got a bunch of picture perfect opportunities lined up for the Republicans to just completely poo poo all over their chances by letting Ted Cruz and the Suicide Caucus ride again.

Chances are pretty good that ACA just joins the rest of the issues in the witches cauldron of GOP issues alongside Benghazi, Fast and Furious, and the tyrant Michele forcing healthy food on our kids. Maybe we'll get real lucky and it'll be about those traitorous Democrats and their hatred of all Jews after a nuclear deal gets worked out with Iran.

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bassguitarhero
Feb 29, 2008

Paul MaudDib posted:

What context do you mean? Have American wages improved sufficiently (or have fixed expenses diminised sufficiently) that two incomes are no longer necessary to make ends meet?

Because that's the "context" of that chart - rising housing prices, insurance costs, etc forced a second household member into the workplace to make ends meet. This left families in a precarious spot - now that both adults are in the workforce (which is of course significantly less stable than it was then, as well), a single illness or loss of a single job could send them into bankruptcy. What you're seeing there isn't anything positive, it's people falling out of the middle class and into working poverty or bankruptcy.

The big problem you have is that, while there was a time when having two members of the household in the workforce was feasible, automation is removing a lot of these jobs and leaving nothing in return. Some automation creates new jobs (repairing the automatons) but a lot of the jobs will be lost forever. Rising housing prices, insurance costs etc may force second household members to look for work, but the decline of people participating in labor will continue as we replace human labor with automated labor. It's going to get a lot worse.

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,

StarMagician posted:

So, are women supposed to be staying home making the house or not? It used to be that we were advocating for them to leave the restriction of the nuclear home and make their way in the working world but I can never tell these days.

We as a society have not actually done much to make it feasible for women not to have to work full time domestically and vocationally at the same time. Obviously this really needs to change instead of just telling women to stop having careers and children, but that doesn't obviate the actual fact that it hasn't changed (and that there really isn't much pressure for it to change in the future).

ReV VAdAUL
Oct 3, 2004

I'm WILD about
WILDMAN
The thing is automation and women being allowed to work could both be good things the problem is instead of letting automation give everyone a lower work load capital has used the efficiency automation creates for decades to make a smaller and smaller work force (still paid same low wages) do all the work and capital hoovered up all the benefits. Women were forced to enter the work force due to frozen (and now dropping) wages to meet the rising cost of living but capitalist exploitation of automation means wages are depressed AND there are fewer jobs available.

So we are caught in the trap of two worker households being all but a necessity but there not being enough jobs. This means people either have to go into debt or not afford as much stuff, lowering demand. If we had decent minimum wage laws or an approach to employment that didnt solely benefit the 1% based on c19th ideas this would be much less of an issue.

But yes Republicans, keep blocking even the most milquetoast attempts at demand side recovery, pretend identifying the problem of too many people needing to participate in labour is sexist and propose further tax cuts for the super rich. That will fix everything.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

De Nomolos posted:

Which issue hits people more closely at home: Benghazi, the budget, immigration, or health care?

All of them depending on whose home it is. Benghazi impacts the fewest people, but the budget (in terms of government employees and employees of contractors) impacts a shitton of people, as do immigration and healthcare.

However, you can arrange those last three in a hierarchy. Failure to reform immigration laws means families get shattered, budgetary fuckery means millions of people go without pay for the duration of shutdowns or get laid off due to cuts, healthcare shittiness means people can be driven into bankruptcy by pneumonia, but without a paycheck or a family it's a passing concern.

De Nomolos
Jan 17, 2007

TV rots your brain like it's crack cocaine

The Entire Universe posted:

All of them depending on whose home it is. Benghazi impacts the fewest people, but the budget (in terms of government employees and employees of contractors) impacts a shitton of people, as do immigration and healthcare.

However, you can arrange those last three in a hierarchy. Failure to reform immigration laws means families get shattered, budgetary fuckery means millions of people go without pay for the duration of shutdowns or get laid off due to cuts, healthcare shittiness means people can be driven into bankruptcy by pneumonia, but without a paycheck or a family it's a passing concern.

Let me rephrase that: which one effects the most people that consistently vote in midterms?

Even if the budget trickles down, it's effects aren't readily seen in the mail or in your bank account daily unless you're a vet, contractor, or fed. And that's assuming they don't all first focus on health care instead.

Of course, they may see benefits from the ACA by then, and this is all moot.

No one is going to vote based on Benghazi. Don't kid yourself.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

De Nomolos posted:

No one is going to vote based on Benghazi. Don't kid yourself.

Rather, no one is going to vote based on Benghazi who wasn't already going to vote Republican despite protestation they were really an independent swing voter.

De Nomolos
Jan 17, 2007

TV rots your brain like it's crack cocaine

Install Windows posted:

Rather, no one is going to vote based on Benghazi who wasn't already going to vote Republican despite protestation they were really an independent swing voter.

And they were already mad because of Obamacare. Obama could have saved everyone at Benghazi himself and they'd still be voting against Obamacare.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
On the bright side, we have our first wave of scandals in some time that the press hasn't attached the word "gate" to, so we're making progress.

ReV VAdAUL
Oct 3, 2004

I'm WILD about
WILDMAN

De Nomolos posted:

And they were already mad because of Obamacare. Obama could have saved everyone at Benghazi himself and they'd still be voting against Obamacare.

Why is he wasting time having a vacation in Libya when there's real work to do!? :mad:

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

ReV VAdAUL posted:

Why is he wasting time having a vacation in Libya when there's real work to do!? :mad:

Ha ha I bet he played a round of golf while he was there also please never check how much vacation the last president took

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

crowfeathers posted:

Ha ha I bet he played a round of golf while he was there also please never check how much vacation the last president took

He was TOTALLY working during those vacations, so they don't count. Checkmate libs :smug:

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
Mountain bikin', brush clearin' Bush was great because he couldn't do much governin' when he was showin' off his new ranch. Unfortunately, it turned out that while daddy's lil' helper was funnin' in Crawford, daddy's big helper was busy governin' from the Naval Observatory.

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

whoa, what just happened here?







College Slice

ReindeerF posted:

Mountain bikin', brush clearin' Bush was great because he couldn't do much governin' when he was showin' off his new ranch. Unfortunately, it turned out that while daddy's lil' helper was funnin' in Crawford, daddy's big helper was busy governin' from the Naval Observatory.

*an undisclosed location.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
Haha. Yeah, when the Russians update their targeting computers for the nukes, they just target every black square or fuzzy blob on Google Earth.

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

crowfeathers posted:

Ha ha I bet he played a round of golf while he was there also please never check how much vacation the last president took

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3p9y_OEAdc

Jackson Taus
Oct 19, 2011

ReindeerF posted:

Haha. Yeah, when the Russians update their targeting computers for the nukes, they just target every black square or fuzzy blob on Google Earth.

I bet the NSA has already thought of that and randomly blacked out a few random abandoned facilities while sticking Cheney in a secret room in some small-town library that's opened by touching the 3rd book from the left on the encyclopedia rack.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Good news, 2015's Obamacare signups will start after the midterm election, not before. I'm sure you can imagine what the reaction is going to be of Republicans hoping to have that remind everyone about Obamacare just before the election.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
No, really you guys, Liz Cheney is from Wyoming. And here are her daughters, none of whom were born in Wyoming, to tell you about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtMOK_hCt9g

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc

Joementum posted:

No, really you guys, Liz Cheney is from Wyoming. And here are her daughters, none of whom were born in Wyoming, to tell you about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtMOK_hCt9g

It worked for Bush, but he wasn't as obviously evil as Liz.

ufarn
May 30, 2009
This blog post has two good primary calendars for 2014. Might want to put them in the OP.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
Bqhatevwr: Scott Brown has dropped the "MA" from his Twitter handle.

StarMagician
Jan 2, 2013

Query: Are you saying that one coon calling for the hanging of another coon is racist?

Check and mate D&D.
I seriously doubt Al Franken will lose his Senate seat, but it's worth mentioning that he's at 39% approval, 51% disapproval right now in his home state of Minnesota.

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2013/12/buyers_remorse_franken_loss_wo.php

Marcus Roberto
Dec 30, 2004

by exmarx

Joementum posted:

Bqhatevwr: Scott Brown has dropped the "MA" from his Twitter handle.

It's been a while since a Republican has lost a Senate race in more than one state. :allears:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_history_of_Alan_Keyes

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

StarMagician posted:

I seriously doubt Al Franken will lose his Senate seat, but it's worth mentioning that he's at 39% approval, 51% disapproval right now in his home state of Minnesota.

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2013/12/buyers_remorse_franken_loss_wo.php

That poll got absolutely shredded for being terrible, instead of using actual job approval it used a excellent/good/fair/poor scale that rated fair as disapproval, which creates garbage results. The perils of university pollsters and all.

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

War on women? What war on women? Michigan Right to Life wants to make women purchase "rape riders" to go with their health insurance.

http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/12/whitmer_blasts_rape_insurance.html

MLive posted:


State Senate Minority Leader Gretchen Whitmer on Monday blasted an abortion insurance bill backed by Right to Life of Michigan, suggesting it would force women to decide whether they want to purchase "rape insurance."

The citizen-initiated legislation, headed to the Legislature after the Board of State Canvassers certified an estimated 299,941 signatures collected by the nonprofit, would prohibit insurers from including abortion coverage as a standard feature in health plans they sell in Michigan.

Women who want abortion coverage could still obtain it by purchasing a separate rider. Employers who choose to offer abortion coverage would be required to inform all employees of that decision.

"Forcing women to decide whether they want to buy 'rape insurance' and even compelling parents to make the unfathomable decision about whether to buy it for their daughters is truly despicable," Whitmer, D-East Lansing, said in a release. "Requiring Michigan women to plan ahead for an unplanned pregnancy is not only illogical, it's one of the most misogynistic proposals I have ever seen in the Michigan Legislature."

The clock is ticking for Republican leaders in the state House and Senate, who have 40 days to decide whether or not they will take up the bill. House Speaker Jase Bolger of Marshall and Senate Majority Leader Randy Richardville of Monroe have not yet made any final decisions, according to spokespersons.

Legislative approval would make the bill law, bypassing the veto pen of Republican Gov. Rick Snyder, who rejected a similar measure last year -- in part because it did not make exceptions for rape or incest. If lawmakers do not act within 40 days, the proposal would head to the statewide ballot in 2014.

Democrats are the minority party in both chambers and would not be able to stop the bill from becoming law, but they've promised a robust floor debate if Republicans decide to take it up, as evidenced by Whitmer's comments.

Right to Life of Michigan has promoted the proposal as a way to ensure that taxpayer-subsidized policies available under the Affordable Care Act do not include abortion coverage as a standard feature. However, the bill would apply to any insurance plan sold in Michigan, whether or not it was offered on an Obamacare exchange.

"Michigan citizens do not want to pay for someone else's abortion with their tax dollars or health insurance premiums," Right to Life President Barbara Listing said Monday. "Abortion is not health care; abortion kills a living, developing human being."

The nonprofit has scheduled a press conference for Tuesday morning at the Michigan Capitol that will feature "sexual assault victims and individuals conceived in rape" who represent Save the 1, a national group that argues against exceptions in abortion policies.

"Save the 1 members advocate on behalf of themselves and others like them who have experienced the social biases and stigma that promote abortion as an appropriate, even desirable response to pregnancy resulting from rape," according to a Right to Life release.

Right to Life volunteers collected upwards of 315,000 signatures for the citizen-initiated bill, and lobbyists for the organization say that a majority of Michigan lawmakers also signed the petition.

Still, critics point out that those signatures represent only three percent of the state's population, and they are urging lawmakers to let voters decide the issue in 2014

This is the old "Obamacare will force us to pay for abortions(it won't) so let's force women to purchase more insurance to punish them for having sex." The rub of it is they don't want this petition to go to a referendum vote in 2014, they want the Michigan legislature to vote on it instead. So far no decision to do that has been made, which is a good thing.

Nth Doctor
Sep 7, 2010

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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:

War on women? What war on women? Michigan Right to Life wants to make women purchase "rape riders" to go with their health insurance.

http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/12/whitmer_blasts_rape_insurance.html


This is the old "Obamacare will force us to pay for abortions(it won't) so let's force women to purchase more insurance to punish them for having sex." The rub of it is they don't want this petition to go to a referendum vote in 2014, they want the Michigan legislature to vote on it instead. So far no decision to do that has been made, which is a good thing.

Ugh. gently caress this state. :smithicide:

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
Scott Brown has a new editorial about Obamacare and its impact on states, well on one state at least.

quote:

For example, in New Hampshire, only 16 of the state’s 26 hospitals are available on the federal exchange, meaning patients must either pay more to keep their current doctor or seek inferior care elsewhere.

Neither is a good option.

New Hampshire is not alone. Across the country, some of the best hospitals are not available on plans on the exchange, leaving patients with difficult choices and unwanted sometimes, life threatening decisions.

Hmm. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

khazar sansculotte
May 14, 2004

Last week, Florida's Secretary of State issued a "directive" to county supervisors of elections saying that they can't allow absentee ballots to be dropped off anywhere but the central office. This is the latest effort in a fairly long and consistent history by Rick Scott's administration of suppressing the vote (and pissing off said supervisors of elections), and many think that the timing of the order is related to the race for Bill Young's seat.

Fortunately, Pinellas County's supervisor of elections basically told him to gently caress off:

quote:

TALLAHASSEE — Pinellas County's chief elections official firmly put Gov. Rick Scott on notice Monday: She will refuse his administration's order and will continue to urge voters to drop off their absentee ballots at satellite locations.

Supervisor of Elections Deborah Clark said her 6-year-old system of drop-off sites is "in full compliance with the law" and the state has known about them because they are included in plans she sends to the state to get federal voter education money.

"I plan to continue using them, including in the impending special primary election," Clark told Secretary of State Ken Detzner, Scott's chief elections adviser.

Detzner last week issued a surprise directive in which he ordered elections officials not to "solicit return" of absentee ballots at locations other than an elections office or branch, because it's not allowed by law. He said he acted after questions from supervisors Brian Corley in Pasco County and Chris Chambless in Clay County.


In Clark's response, she voiced disappointment that Detzner never sought the opinions of the 67 county supervisors of election before he issued his Nov. 25 directive.

Clark said her drop-off sites are staffed by her deputies, who by law have the same power as a supervisor and who keep watch over locked ballot boxes with numbered seals. The boxes are transported nightly to her headquarters to be canvassed, she said.

"I am confident that the drop-off locations maintained throughout Pinellas County are secure," Clark wrote.

The state had no immediate response to Clark's letter.

In Florida, voting absentee or by mail is growing in popularity and nowhere is it more popular than Pinellas, where Clark promotes it at every opportunity as an alternative to early voting, emphasizing the term "voting by mail" to voting absentee.

More people voted absentee in Pinellas in the 2012 presidential election than in any other Florida county, and turnout in Pinellas has exceeded the statewide average in four of the past five state general elections.

Many voters in Pinellas can cast ballots in the upcoming race to replace the late U.S. Rep. C.W. Bill Young in Congress. A three-way Republican primary will be held Jan. 14, and the general election will be March 11. The GOP candidates are Mark Bircher, David Jolly and Kathleen Peters.


Every Pinellas voter who asks Clark's office for an absentee ballot in the upcoming election for Young's seat gets a flier with instructions for "mail ballot drop-off locations."

In the Republican primary, Clark will use five drop-off sites from Jan. 4-14 in addition to her three offices. They include two tax collector offices in Clearwater, on U.S. 19 N and on Gulf-to-Bay Boulevard; on 66th St. N in St. Petersburg; and at branch libraries in Pinellas Park and Seminole.

Clark's colleagues quickly rallied around her Monday as they continued to accuse the state of acting against the voters' best interests.

In Pasco, where elections chief Corley uses eight library branches as drop-off sites, all supervised by deputized election workers, he said Clark's actions, unlike Detzner's, "are clearly aimed at helping the most important stakeholders in this process: the voters."

Hillsborough Supervisor Craig Latimer said Detzner's directive "is outside the bounds of (his) legal authority, and I know it is not in the best interest of our voters."

Deirdre Macnab, president of the League of Women Voters of Florida, said: "It would seem poor timing for Gov. Scott to squash the vote on the eve of an election year, but it's hard to draw any different conclusion."

Macnab said the state order "unjustifiably interferes with absentee voting."

By defying the state's directive on absentee ballot returns, Clark appears to have put the state in a political box: It now must let her ignore its advice or take her to court, provoking a much bigger confrontation.

Under the election laws, the secretary of state may seek a court order "to enforce the performance of any duties" of a supervisor, and if such action is taken within 60 days of an election, the judge must give it top priority.

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

Joementum posted:

Bqhatevwr: Scott Brown has dropped the "MA" from his Twitter handle.

I look forward to Scott Brown's upcoming Carpetbaggin' Senate Candidate persona, where if the GOP needs a guy to run for Senate in the North or Northeast they just have him move there and run.

If he tries to run against Shaheen, the ads will write themselves. She'll turn him into the next Alan Keyes so fast his head will spin. Plus, I can't imagine folks in New Hampshire will take kindly to a guy who just moved there and is pretending to be one of them.

Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Dec 3, 2013

fade5
May 31, 2012

by exmarx

Ronald McReagan posted:

Last week, Florida's Secretary of State issued a "directive" to county supervisors of elections saying that they can't allow absentee ballots to be dropped off anywhere but the central office. This is the latest effort in a fairly long and consistent history by Rick Scott's administration of suppressing the vote (and pissing off said supervisors of elections), and many think that the timing of the order is related to the race for Bill Young's seat.

Fortunately, Pinellas County's supervisor of elections basically told him to gently caress off
God drat I hope Charlie Crist beats him. Even back when Crist was a Republican, he signed an executive order in 2007 that restored ex-felons' voting rights automatically. Rick Scott repealed that executive order, because of course he did; can't have people exercising their right to vote after they've completed their sentence, they might use that vote. Oh, and the fact that a disproportionate number of those convicted felons who don't have the right to vote are black, a group that votes overwhelmingly Democratic is a nice bonus too.

fade5 fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Dec 3, 2013

The X-man cometh
Nov 1, 2009
Considering that Florida is a solid battleground state, why don't the Democrats have anyone better than Crist?

khazar sansculotte
May 14, 2004

Because the Florida Democratic Party has been basically worthless as a political and organizational force for at least a decade.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Ronald McReagan posted:

Because the Florida Democratic Party has been basically worthless as a political and organizational force for at least a decade.

Also Crist is/was pretty popular as Governor. The only reason he isn't currently Governor is that he wanted to be a Senator and made the mistake of being friendly to Obama instead of spitting in his face and tossing him the bird. Even if the Democrats had someone ideologically better than Crist ready to run, there's little chance they'd be politically/electorally better.

Ballz
Dec 16, 2003

it's mario time

Crist's campaign manager just resigned, so already his campaign is off to fantastic start. :smith:

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Ronald McReagan posted:

Because the Florida Democratic Party has been basically worthless as a political and organizational force for at least a decade.

More than that - they basically withered away like an umbilical cord during Chiles' time as governor and when he dropped dead they were a dusty husk. They haven't recovered because the blue half of the state is basically hypersensitive jerseyites who replaced their tolerance of cold weather with childishness. There are of course a smattering of minorities but for the most part it's leatherfaced bleach blonde empty nesters who sound like Tom Waits with Down Syndrome.

De Nomolos
Jan 17, 2007

TV rots your brain like it's crack cocaine
Is there any state that has a well-organized Democratic or even Republican Party anymore? It seems like in the former case it's always a bunch of hacks playing like they matter and in the latter it's either a Senior Citizen Club or a shell for Tea Party or Ron Paul orgs. I know in VA the GOP is definitely swinging between Ron Paul and general Teabaggery (usually breaking down based on whether there's a military base nearby) and the DPVA is a handful of old line Civil Rights activists and a bunch of white guilt NoVA liberals, with a few Obamamaniacs from red areas who just want a friend thrown in. The white people with the money and their hack friends run things, which pretty much explains Terry McAuliffe.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

De Nomolos posted:

Is there any state that has a well-organized Democratic or even Republican Party anymore? It seems like in the former case it's always a bunch of hacks playing like they matter and in the latter it's either a Senior Citizen Club or a shell for Tea Party or Ron Paul orgs. I know in VA the GOP is definitely swinging between Ron Paul and general Teabaggery (usually breaking down based on whether there's a military base nearby) and the DPVA is a handful of old line Civil Rights activists and a bunch of white guilt NoVA liberals, with a few Obamamaniacs from red areas who just want a friend thrown in.

Rick Perry has made a very impressive machine here in Texas. I think by definition parties who are in states they don't control would be less organized though because good organization can make up for a lot of other deficiencies.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

computer parts posted:

Rick Perry has made a very impressive machine here in Texas. I think by definition parties who are in states they don't control would be less organized though because good organization can make up for a lot of other deficiencies.

Yeah but is that a Republican Party machine or a Rick Perry's Friends and Cronies machine?

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Sad Banana
Sep 7, 2011

De Nomolos posted:

Is there any state that has a well-organized Democratic or even Republican Party anymore? It seems like in the former case it's always a bunch of hacks playing like they matter and in the latter it's either a Senior Citizen Club or a shell for Tea Party or Ron Paul orgs. I know in VA the GOP is definitely swinging between Ron Paul and general Teabaggery (usually breaking down based on whether there's a military base nearby) and the DPVA is a handful of old line Civil Rights activists and a bunch of white guilt NoVA liberals, with a few Obamamaniacs from red areas who just want a friend thrown in. The white people with the money and their hack friends run things, which pretty much explains Terry McAuliffe.
New Jersey's Democratic Party is run by a handful of bosses and machines but it does the job as far as winning most elections and getting out their vote. That might have a lot to do with an underfunded and incompetent opposition though.

State parties that have survived against the national partisan tide at the state level like the West Virginia Democrats, or to a lesser extent the Kentucky Democratic Party, seem like they'd be the strongest state parties still in existence. But in the Obama years they've had a tough time keeping their conservative ticket-splitters. 5 years ago I would have said the Arkansas Democrats but they have completely imploded and lost almost everything as the state finally caught up with the rest of the South and re-aligned.

Also, state's with stable one party rule probably have strong organizations built. Vermont Dems, Utah GOP, Texas GOP, etc.

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