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Narcissus1916 posted:So, is the particle accelerator going to be where Barry gets his powers? e X posted:That and/or lighting. There were an awful lot of thunderstorms in this episode. What if the particle accelerator is struck by lightning? 
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bbf2 posted:I thought for some reason she was bluffing and had somehow found out about Ra's Al Ghul but hadn't actually been in contact with him. Especially since the part about Ra's not being on board with the Undertaking seemed odd, the Undertaking sounds like exactly the type of thing the League of Assassins would do and be a-ok with. It's not too far off from what they did to Gotham in Batman Begins (e.g try to destroy the whole city. Nah, there was that super suspicious scene early in the episode where she was talking to some shady dude and he's all "I'll tell him what you said." Which implies that she totally got ahold of Ra's.
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Dec 5, 2013 13:33
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muscles like this? posted:Nah, there was that super suspicious scene early in the episode where she was talking to some shady dude and he's all "I'll tell him what you said." Which implies that she totally got ahold of Ra's. This was the only thing about the episode that I hated by the way. I can kind of understand why they wanted to have that scene to show us that hey, she really talked to someone, but it was completely ridiculous for it to happen the way it did and I think would've been better off being cut. That way there's still some mystery as to whether or not she's bluffing (which, to be fair, she still might be in a way) and we don't have this ridiculous exchange happen: "Hey Mom, why was that mysterious man that we've never met before in our house talking to you?" "Oh don't worry about it." Yeah, cause it's not like you just barely dodged getting the loving death sentence for secretly conspiring with a madman. Yeah, no big deal, I'm sure you meet random strangers in your home all the time. No more lies or secrets, right? Yay Mom, so good to have you back! Oh, you also just want to randomly tell me you love me as well? Great, I love you too! Yup, nothing weird about this entire scene at all. Who wants shots?
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VDay posted:This was the only thing about the episode that I hated by the way. I can kind of understand why they wanted to have that scene to show us that hey, she really talked to someone, but it was completely ridiculous for it to happen the way it did and I think would've been better off being cut. That way there's still some mystery as to whether or not she's bluffing (which, to be fair, she still might be in a way) and we don't have this ridiculous exchange happen: That is so true, I was pretty put off by this exchange for exactly the reasons you listed. Still this was an awesome episode, as I am saying nearly every time. Even better than the last episode. Barry Allen is adorable. And gently caress you Ollie, I'm 29 and people are still asking for my ID when I buy alcohol.
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Dec 5, 2013 14:50
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I let that exchange with a shady unknown man slide. Thea and Oliver were both distracted by phone calls, and as far as they are concerned, other than "cooperating out of fear" with Meryln, their mother is exactly who they thought she was before the whole Undertaking reveal. It's plausible that she simply has a lot of social life housekeeping to attend to after coming out of prison, rather than the fact that she has jumped straight into conspiring with more shadowy figures after escaping the death penalty a week ago. Moira clearly has a lot of knowledge of the criminal underworld, and history with people on the list - such as Isobel Rochev, but her kids don't have a clue, or reason to suspect anything at the moment.
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Dec 5, 2013 15:04
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VDay posted:This was the only thing about the episode that I hated by the way. I can kind of understand why they wanted to have that scene to show us that hey, she really talked to someone, but it was completely ridiculous for it to happen the way it did and I think would've been better off being cut. That way there's still some mystery as to whether or not she's bluffing (which, to be fair, she still might be in a way) and we don't have this ridiculous exchange happen: I actually assumed it was one of Malcolm's goons, and never gave it another thought till now.
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Dec 5, 2013 15:24
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bbf2 posted:I thought for some reason she was bluffing and had somehow found out about Ra's Al Ghul but hadn't actually been in contact with him. Especially since the part about Ra's not being on board with the Undertaking seemed odd, the Undertaking sounds like exactly the type of thing the League of Assassins would do and be a-ok with. It's not too far off from what they did to Gotham in Batman Begins (e.g try to destroy the whole city. I think there is a key difference you are overlooking. Gotham was a totally corrupt city and the League's plan was cause enough chaos and damage that the city tore itself apart. Whereas Malcolm's plan wasn't to clear a corrupt city off the map but to specifically target just the poorest part of the city where his wife was killed. Maybe Ras isn't fond of his underlings using LoA resources to kill filthy poors in personal vendettas.
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Something I thought was kind of goofy about the episode was during the party Oliver was standing at the bar talking to Isobel, walked away, then after Isobel and Moira started talking walked back. All in the space of about a minute.
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Dec 5, 2013 15:48
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muscles like this? posted:Something I thought was kind of goofy about the episode was during the party Oliver was standing at the bar talking to Isobel, walked away, then after Isobel and Moira started talking walked back. All in the space of about a minute. Well there was practically no one there. 
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Dec 5, 2013 16:23
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Blackchamber posted:Maybe Ras isn't fond of his underlings using LoA resources to kill [...] in personal vendettas. That's like 90% of all LoA plans.
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Dec 5, 2013 16:30
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Grant Austin was pretty great, seems like he'll do fine as Flash. As for the League of Assassins, I'm not going to assume they're going to act exactly like their comics incarnation or the Batman Begins version, I wouldn't be surprised if this show threw something different at us. From what Moira said, it seems the LoA's beef with Malcolm was about the Undertaking and not just with the fact that he faked his death. Wild speculation: Cyrus Gold is a red herring. Slade's going to be this show's Solomon Grundy.
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Dec 5, 2013 16:40
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Torrannor posted:And gently caress you Ollie, I'm 29 and people are still asking for my ID when I buy alcohol. You babyface people got the better deal, people have thought I was 30 since I was 16. 
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Dec 5, 2013 17:48
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I wonder if they are going to turf Felicity over to the Flash if the show gets picked up. I feel like they actually might, since they might think it'll make Felicity fans tune in, and because shippers are going to hate Laurel as long as Felicity is around. They might force a show change on her just in an attempt to make Laurel relevant.
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Error 404 posted:You babyface people got the better deal, people have thought I was 30 since I was 16. It's not as if the carding ever actually stops. My dad is 68 and still gets carded.
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Dec 5, 2013 17:50
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Shakugan posted:I wonder if they are going to turf Felicity over to the Flash if the show gets picked up. I feel like they actually might, since they might think it'll make Felicity fans tune in, and because shippers are going to hate Laurel as long as Felicity is around. They might force a show change on her just in an attempt to make Laurel relevant. I'd be reasonably certain Arrow isn't going to pull a Glee and let tumblr/twitter users effectively dictate important financial/showrunning decisions like that. That's not to say they might not add her to the Flash cast regardless, either for a few episodes at launch or for an actual full season+. Using familiar faces to launch tv shows isn't unheard of, but if they do that, it won't be because they need to get rid of Felicity to salvage Laurel. (Or rather, getting rid of Felicity won't suddenly make people begrudgingly like Laurel, so doing that explicitly for that reason would be pretty dumb.)
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xeria posted:I'd be reasonably certain Arrow isn't going to pull a Glee and let tumblr/twitter users effectively dictate important financial/showrunning decisions like that. If anything she will show up every now and then to give him tech support.
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Dec 5, 2013 17:57
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She could do both. I'm sure her filming for the show takes about 2 days per episode.
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Dec 5, 2013 18:14
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Blackchamber posted:
WHO'SE been using my Lazarath Pit? BARROWMAN!!! 
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Dec 5, 2013 18:46
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No Butt Stuff posted:She could do both. I'm sure her filming for the show takes about 2 days per episode. This show has the feel of one where the cast hangs out all the time.
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Dec 5, 2013 18:59
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sbaldrick posted:This show has the feel of one where the cast hangs out all the time. Katie Cassiday has no chemistry with anyone so I bet they tell her they're all going one place and then go somewhere else.
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Dec 5, 2013 19:06
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Rhyno posted:Katie Cassiday has no chemistry with anyone so I bet they tell her they're all going one place and then go somewhere else. In that case they should perhaps export Laurel to the Flash spin-off.
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Dec 5, 2013 19:17
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Torrannor posted:In that case they should perhaps export Laurel to the Flash spin-off. I never knew how much I wanted this to happen until right now. Now I'm sad because it won't happen.
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Dec 5, 2013 19:19
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Torrannor posted:In that case they should perhaps export Laurel to the Flash spin-off. Why would you do that Barry?
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Dec 5, 2013 19:21
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Rhyno posted:Why would you do that Barry? Barry joins the Arrow team and commutes from Central to Starling. Thus, while he's in the Flash show, he's only there for half an episode and the rest is Laurel Lance, Central City ADS. Then, when it gets canceled for low ratings, Barry joins Arrow fulltime and Laurel is gone. Ohgod, I just wrote actual fanfiction. And I'm not sure it's that bad.
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Dec 5, 2013 19:25
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I know this is a ploy to get rid of Laurel, but Barry really should be able to be in both series without any problems explaining how he manages it  And I ma so looking forward to the Rogues, Flash really has one of the best Rogue galleries in all of comicdom, especially when they work together. The are basically one big, evil family. e X fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Dec 5, 2013 |
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Dec 5, 2013 19:33
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e X posted:I know this is a ploy to get rid of Laurel, but Barry really should be able to be in both series without any problems explaining how he manages it I wonder who they are going to have as the supporting cast. I hope they have Pied Piper.
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While we're talking about Flash, casting calls for Iris West and her father have supposedly surfaced: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=49531 If that's true, is interesting that they're making them african-american.
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Dec 5, 2013 19:41
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e X posted:I know this is a ploy to get rid of Laurel, but Barry really should be able to be in both series without any problems explaining how he manages it I can see it now. At the end of an episode of the Flash, he gets a phone call from Ollie. Start of Arrow, Ollie calls him, and he shows up while they're still talking.
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Dec 5, 2013 19:42
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I must admit that i was a little disappointed in this episode, i found Barry to be super annoying, and it has made me a lot more hesitant to watch the Flash show, whenever that starts. Also Oliver's method for dealing with that minion with the super powers, was surprisingly similar to his way of dealing with the guy during their first encounter, why not bring along some special arrows when you know the regular kinds don't do anything?
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Dec 5, 2013 20:03
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Dead Snoopy posted:WHO'SE been using my Lazarath Pit? I can't read that without mentally hearing it in Bender's voice. Suddenly I want that to be R'as' voice so bad.
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Dec 5, 2013 20:04
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Oasx posted:I must admit that i was a little disappointed in this episode, i found Barry to be super annoying, and it has made me a lot more hesitant to watch the Flash show, whenever that starts. Also Oliver's method for dealing with that minion with the super powers, was surprisingly similar to his way of dealing with the guy during their first encounter, why not bring along some special arrows when you know the regular kinds don't do anything? Taser arrow probably won't slow him down much, and Ollie did use the... bola arrow? to trap Cyrus but he just ripped that off. And I don't quite think Ollie's thought of inventing super glue or freeze arrows yet. He could've tried poking him with two dozen tranq arrows, though. That might've done the trick.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:While we're talking about Flash, casting calls for Iris West and her father have supposedly surfaced: I like that call, all my new favorite tv shows this year have had quite a minority heavy cast. Brooklyn Nine Nine, Almost Human, Sleepy Hollow all have been excellent and shows that didn't like Tomorrow People and Shield have been pretty mediocre. I'm sure it's not a direct correlation but I'm using it as an excuse to get super jazzed about the Flash show.
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I really really hope they didn't just kill Slade. Like that, anyway. (I know Canary asked about him, but maybe they screwed up there.)Cityinthesea posted:That scene where Ollie shot Roy reminded me of Nikita shooting Alex in the leg. I also totally thought it looked like Ollie was fighting Bane in that last confrontation. (The stunt with the door in their previous fight was great too.)
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I found this episode rather exposition-heavy. There were three separate 'this is my backstory' monologues in this episode alone and they were all delivered rather clunkily (Barrowman's NanDA parBAHT pronunciation, ugh. He reminded me of that old SNL skit making fun of newscasters and their NICARAGUA and the CONTRAS said in the most outlandish Spanish accent ever). Barry's 'my mom is dead' speech and the thing with Roy's friend and her dead artist friend and... I understand there was a lot of information that had to get out this episode, but show don't tell, huh? Or maybe save some of it for later episodes. Everything just felt really rushed and not in a good way but in a 'we only have a two-part miniseries to get this guy's spinoff launched and get the audience familiar with him so here, barf out this two paragraph long backstory so we can include all the OTHER stuff we've got going on and still come in under 45m.' The episode wasn't bad (the truck fight was awesome, Ollie shooting Roy was eye-opening, Moira's turnabout on Barrowman was amusing if a bit far-fetched, hopefully they flesh out why she has one of R'as' dudes on speeddial or knew where to find him, Ollie getting a leg full of what I presume is ketamine, the actor playing Barry was good) but I'm beginning to agree with those who have said the show tries to cram a little TOO much into each episode. Which is a good problem to have until you blow your wad and run out of material.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:While we're talking about Flash, casting calls for Iris West and her father have supposedly surfaced: I am in full approval of this, both as a cast diversification measure and because it makes internet racists really mad every time they make usually white characters into minorities. 
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hcreight posted:I am in full approval of this, both as a cast diversification measure and because it makes internet racists really mad every time they do this. They should make Pied Piper the love interest and black.
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Dec 5, 2013 20:50
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If they move Felicity off Arrow I will stop watching ALL TV EVER.
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Dec 5, 2013 21:17
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Didn't Oliver and Felicia pretty much declare their love for each other a few episodes back? Just seemed a little weird how fast they went to Barry and Felicia together.
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Dec 5, 2013 21:18
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Oasx posted:Didn't Oliver and Felicia pretty much declare their love for each other a few episodes back? Just seemed a little weird how fast they went to Barry and Felicia together. No.
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Oasx posted:Didn't Oliver and Felicia pretty much declare their love for each other a few episodes back? Just seemed a little weird how fast they went to Barry and Felicia together. No, she said she didn't understand how he could bang fetus face when Felicity was standing right there. Ollie sort of shrugged it off and we all know he's in love with Laurel.
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