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Kirios posted:I will say that Dennis Allen coached circles around us that game. I think he'll be the head coach you guys have been desperately looking for since Gruden. The brutal second half collapses are starting to make me doubt that but whatever it's not like I know something.
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Lamadrid posted:The brutal second half collapses are starting to make me doubt that but whatever it's not like I know something. Part of that is lack of talent
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-1204-bears-emery-chicago-20131204,0,1272604.storyquote:"Ideally … (you want) somebody in that 6-5 range," Emery said, citing the need to see over linemen. "The taller, the better. If they're short, they have to have good arm strength, and they better be a heck of an athlete, or they better be Drew Brees (6-0) and get the ball out really fast." Welcome to Chicago, Logan Thomas!
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So they're just gonna let Cutler go then? Accept your fate in Cleveland, Jay. e: or Oakland if Al Davis was still alive
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Quest For Glory II posted:So they're just gonna let Cutler go then? Accept your fate in Cleveland, Jay. Long bombs to Josh Gordon constitutes a pretty good fate, I'd say.
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This isn't even relevant to the draft at this point but I could totally see Cutler signing with Oakland and replacing McGloin, if nothing else than to try and beat the Broncos twice a year, and the Patriots whenever possible (McDaniels). The Raiders could draft Sammy Watkins and go long all day every day.
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Parmesan Basil posted:Long bombs to Josh Gordon constitutes a pretty good fate, I'd say. He would actually be a pretty good fit. Until he tore his ACL and came back a bitter shell after 4 more names had been added to the jersey.
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Niwrad posted:I have a feeling he's going to sneak up into the 2nd round or so come draft day. Best QB I've seen in college football this year. I know people point to the level of competition he's faced, but he absolutely torched both FBS schools he played this year and that included a game against Northern Illinois in Dekalb. There's something in the water at Eastern Illinois.
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Benne posted:http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-1204-bears-emery-chicago-20131204,0,1272604.story Phil Emery loves guys with great measurables regardless of their skill levels. Oh god, the Bears are going to draft Logan Thomas, aren't they. Logan Thomas is going to need a great QB coach to be anything besides Blaine Gabbert with speed so I guess we'll see how far Trestman's QB coaching skills can go. KIM JONG TRILL posted:There's something in the water at Eastern Illinois. Their coach started running the air raid the past few years so Garoppolo's stats are going to be inflated. Garoppolo has looked good against decent competition though. Emanuel Collective fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Dec 5, 2013 |
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Emanuel Collective posted:Logan Thomas is going to need a great QB coach to be anything besides Blaine Gabbert with speed so I guess we'll see how far Trestman's QB coaching skills can go. To use Fiz's nickname the Blinger has pretty good speed (just short of Cam if I remember right), is Logan Thomas abnormally fast as well as huge and terrible at football?
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Emanuel Collective posted:Phil Emery loves guys with great measurables regardless of their skill levels. Oh god, the Bears are going to draft Logan Thomas, aren't they. It's clearly just Romo's lingering influence.
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Grittybeard posted:To use Fiz's nickname the Blinger has pretty good speed (just short of Cam if I remember right), is Logan Thomas abnormally fast as well as huge and terrible at football? Yes. Check out some of these throws https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrFMmtcTd20&t=34s e: and here's probably the best game of his career. He can hit short reads at least https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrkYDG0FzIM Emanuel Collective fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Dec 5, 2013 |
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Emanuel Collective posted:Phil Emery loves guys with great measurables regardless of their skill levels. Oh god, the Bears are going to draft Logan Thomas, aren't they. We're going to find out that Emery defeated the Lichking Al Davis and trapped his soul inside his own body, gaining both the powers of an analytic college scout and a crazy man who loves fast people. Emery talks about "drafting athletes, not drafting for position" all the time
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GNU Order posted:We're going to find out that Emery defeated the Lichking Al Davis and trapped his soul inside his own body, gaining both the powers of an analytic college scout and a crazy man who loves fast people. In order to retain eternal life, Al Davis needed vessels to hold parts of his soul. What we don't know is that something went wrong with the process and Al died. Once we see Emery wearing jumpsuits, we will know the transfer is complete.
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GNU Order posted:Emery talks about "drafting athletes, not drafting for position" all the time Emery has also had two embarrassingly bad drafts that with the one saving grace being the Alshon pick.. I know people have taken Emery's comments to mean they won't bring back Cutler next year, but I just don't see that happening. Everything they've said and done this year seems to imply they want Cutler long term. Cutler has expressed his desire to stay and even mentioned taking a hometown discount. At worst they'll franchise him and draft someone to develop as his backup. I'd be shocked if he wasn't back in some capacity next year. It'd be such a risky move for a GM who has not gotten off to a good start in Chicago already.
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Niwrad posted:Emery has also had two embarrassingly bad drafts that with the one saving grace being the Alshon pick.. I've already started ignoring the people who think Cutler is going to leave this offseason. w/r/t Emery's drafting, I know a lot of people have been saying "it's too early to evaluate him" but we do know that McClellin was "his guy" from KC and after two drafts it seems like Emery's fairly hit or miss (more miss honestly) and his big strength is getting value out of his late, late round picks. 2012 was a failed draft outside Jeffery, who he traded up to go get (and arguably Frey). I appreciate his forward-thinking attitude towards metrics and player evaluation but the time-window for his immunity to criticism w/r/t the draft is closing soon. I may be stubborn but I'm not ready to write off 2013 as a bad draft.
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Goons have stupidly high standards for how they think rookies should perform out of the gate. Jimmy Smith was widely regarded as a bust for his first two seasons and now he grades out as one of the better CBs in the league. The three year rule on grading drafts stands.
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Am I allowed to judge if half the picks from last year's draft aren't even on the roster right now? It is too early to write off this year's draft although it's off to a bad start. And I'm not entirely sure that some of the fault doesn't fall to the coaching staff (especially in regards to Bostic and Greene). Lovie made McClellin look halfway decent last year and now he looks like he has no business in the NFL. So maybe under a better coaching staff Bostic and Greene would look more prepared. I guess my problem with his drafting is he gets too unconventional with too many picks. Drafting undersized or oversized players. Guys with personal histories. Sure you take a shot at someone once in awhile and hope it pans out, but it feels like every pick is him trying to go against the grain. And so far almost none of them have worked out. When everyone is saying a guy is a 3-4 linebacker, it might just mean he's a 3-4 linebacker.
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Niwrad posted:Am I allowed to judge if half the picks from last year's draft aren't even on the roster right now? Yes, you can absolutely judge it and should. Jeffery is looking like a perennial all star, but it's very likely he'll be the only 2012 draftee with the team in two years. Picking McClellin looks even worse when considering Chandler Jones went two picks after him. Chandler Jones, who was rated as a much better player than McClellin across the board, who plays the same position, has 10.5 sacks, and just won Defensive Player of the Month. If Chandler Jones is on the field instead of Shea McClellin, this entire season looks a lot different. Also McClellin only looked better last year because he was a purely situational pass rusher, and only occasionally was used as a down lineman. Speed was his lone outstanding attribute, but it's totally worthless. He has no agility. No moves to beat a tackle. He can't fight off blocks. He gets trucked by tight ends. Unless the Bears are switching to a 3-4 system next year, I don't even see how he sticks with the team.
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McClellin was a reach but Chandler Jones was no safe bet either. He was a workout warrior who got some good guidance by an accomplished D-line and LB coach on the Pats.SlipUp posted:Goons have stupidly high standards for how they think rookies should perform out of the gate. Jimmy Smith was widely regarded as a bust for his first two seasons and now he grades out as one of the better CBs in the league. The three year rule on grading drafts stands. The waiting rule is nebulous at best and there are many factors that go into prospects succeeding. I do find that most CBs deserve a three year cushion, Amukamara certainly needed it as did Corey Webster. Centers and QBs also deserve a waiting period of about a year due to both positions being required to make pre-snap reads. Still though, there's always the eye test, and sometimes you can just tell when a prospect has no game early into their rookie season.
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People call Miamis draft a bust and point to dion Jordan and his lack of snaps. Hell no point to our 2nd and 3rd rounders who will likely be out of the league in 3 years
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GNU Order posted:I appreciate his forward-thinking attitude towards metrics and player evaluation but the time-window for his immunity to criticism w/r/t the draft is closing soon. W/r/t the draft, unless Bostic or any other 2013 defensive picks break out next year, its starting to feel like Emery is great at identifying offensive talent but dog poo poo at identifying defensive talent. Jeffery and Long own, and Mills is playing at about as good as a rookie 5th rounder would be expected to. I'm really really hoping the Bears switch to a new scheme and this "mimic Lovie's defense" experiment loving ends.
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Kareem Jackson is another prime example of the three year rule. Dude was historically bad his rookie year and pretty bad the second. Now, he's actually a pretty respectable second CB. He'll never be an elite cornerback, sure, but for the 20th pick in the draft I can't complain about that selection anymore. He's been as advertised.
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DupaDupa posted:W/r/t the draft, unless Bostic or any other 2013 defensive picks break out next year, its starting to feel like Emery is great at identifying offensive talent but dog poo poo at identifying defensive talent. Jeffery and Long own, and Mills is playing at about as good as a rookie 5th rounder would be expected to. At least Bostic's issues are all things that can be coached. McClellin needs both coaching and to gain 6 inches and/or 80 pounds of muscle without losing his speed
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What are Bostic's issues now? Because coming out he was pretty much destined to be a gap plugger and a run thumper while not bringing much else to the table.
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Emanuel Collective posted:Also McClellin only looked better last year because he was a purely situational pass rusher, and only occasionally was used as a down lineman. Speed was his lone outstanding attribute, but it's totally worthless. He has no agility. No moves to beat a tackle. He can't fight off blocks. He gets trucked by tight ends. Unless the Bears are switching to a 3-4 system next year, I don't even see how he sticks with the team. McClellin is just a weird case in general because he has two rookies totally outplaying him but they refuse to pull Shea because he's fast or something. Ghost of Al Davis
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AAA DOLFAN posted:People call Miamis draft a bust and point to dion Jordan and his lack of snaps. We do have a stacked d-line so I think the presumption is that Dion Jordan is exclusively a pass rushing specialist for now and will become more integrated into the defensive scheme as he becomes better at stopping the run. Then again the coaching staff is hopefully all getting fired so I don't know where that leaves us as far as a defensive scheme next year
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Doltos posted:What are Bostic's issues now? Because coming out he was pretty much destined to be a gap plugger and a run thumper while not bringing much else to the table. Can't shed blocks and bites on every play fake. Same poo poo he did at Florida. Has the tools so maybe with some good coaching he can be a fixture at LB. Not confident in Mel Tucker though. DupaDupa posted:W/r/t the draft, unless Bostic or any other 2013 defensive picks break out next year, its starting to feel like Emery is great at identifying offensive talent but dog poo poo at identifying defensive talent. Jeffery and Long own, and Mills is playing at about as good as a rookie 5th rounder would be expected to. I like Long but his height will always be an issue at guard. Still should be a good player and fills a need. Mills is garbage though. Trestman just does a good job of giving him help. The only thing he does well is not get called for holding.
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Declan MacManus posted:We do have a stacked d-line so I think the presumption is that Dion Jordan is exclusively a pass rushing specialist for now and will become more integrated into the defensive scheme as he becomes better at stopping the run. Eh that's what happens with rotational rookies. Even the best prospects don't get a lot of tread when there are established starters ahead of them. Damontre Moore has been an all world special teamer and blocked a couple of punts so far, and I still heard Cris Collinsworth talking crap because he couldn't penetrate the starting lineup with JPP and Tuck ahead of him.
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Volkerball posted:Yeah, look at this. This is every skill position starter for the Raiders the last 2 weeks. This is the best post i have ever seen that points out exactly why a team sucks.
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Niwrad posted:Mills is garbage though. Trestman just does a good job of giving him help. The only thing he does well is not get called for holding. That's a bit disingenuous. He's not playing well, I'm not arguing that he's been good, he gives to hurries and hits all the time. What I'm please with it's that he is a starting RT 5th round pick rookie who isn't killing drives with penalties or sacks. He's playing better than his recent predecessors at the position.
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Volkerball posted:Yeah, look at this. This is every skill position starter for the Raiders the last 2 weeks. Still better than what the Jets used draft picks for.
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Just the last couple of days, I'm beginning to see UCF's Blake Bortles not only appear on draft boards, but rocket all the way up to QB#2. I haven't had a chance to see him at all this season...is he really even remotely this good, or what?
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Kirios posted:Kareem Jackson is another prime example of the three year rule. Dude was historically bad his rookie year and pretty bad the second. Now, he's actually a pretty respectable second CB. He'll never be an elite cornerback, sure, but for the 20th pick in the draft I can't complain about that selection anymore. He's been as advertised.
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thatguyclint posted:Just the last couple of days, I'm beginning to see UCF's Blake Bortles not only appear on draft boards, but rocket all the way up to QB#2. I haven't had a chance to see him at all this season...is he really even remotely this good, or what? Can agents purchase stickies for players, like we can for threads on the forums? Maybe that's it.
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thatguyclint posted:Just the last couple of days, I'm beginning to see UCF's Blake Bortles not only appear on draft boards, but rocket all the way up to QB#2. I haven't had a chance to see him at all this season...is he really even remotely this good, or what? I'd like him better if he were called Bort Blakeles.
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You guys are being way too hard on Emery for these draft. Bostic and Green have not been the problem on defense. Our defensive line has been terrible, and that has constantly put our linebackers in a bad spot. Honestly, I've seen more blown assignments from our safeties and McClellin than I have from Green and Bostic. Last years draft was definitely bad, but I would still give him the benefit of the doubt just due to the fact that he was working with the old staff at that point. He appears to have gotten a solid nickel corner and stud receiver out of it. Long looks like the best lineman in the draft thus far, which nobody would've thought after draft day. Mills has had problems, but I'd still take him over Webb, and there is the hope that he will be able to develop. Honestly, if you don't think this years draft has strong potential for growth, I think your expectations are unrealistic. Not every pick is going to be an all pro. Getting NFL players is enough, and this past draft looks like it has a lot of them.
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Doltos posted:McClellin was a reach but Chandler Jones was no safe bet either. He was a workout warrior who got some good guidance by an accomplished D-line and LB coach on the Pats. Jones was much more risky than McClellin. He wasn't the best player on his own defense, which was one of the worst in FBS. McClellin was one of a couple good players to get NFL contracts on one of the best defensive lines in the country at the time.
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thatguyclint posted:Just the last couple of days, I'm beginning to see UCF's Blake Bortles not only appear on draft boards, but rocket all the way up to QB#2. I haven't had a chance to see him at all this season...is he really even remotely this good, or what? Blake Bortles was low on many draft boards because everyone is assuming he's going back for another year. QB class is actually still pretty strong despite Mariota and Mettenberger. Also Bortles has a hot GF, which is the most important trait you can have in a rookie QB.
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Browns objectives Step 1: Sign Cutler Step 2: Trade up to draft Clowney Step 3: Draft Mike Evans Step 4: DRAFT MOTHAFUCKIN' KICKER EDIT:  Step 5: Renovate Step 6: Dominate Gatts fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Dec 6, 2013 |
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