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Mark Levin had a great special guest today after learning that Nelson Mandela died. The guy was a "South African Expert" from Bloomington Post. Said straight up that while Mandela was 'accomplished', that we can't forget that he was a Stalinist, and that his predecessor was even MORE of a Stalinist (for which Mandela should be blamed). He (the guest) worked in about how Mandela's predecessor used religion to prevent HIV/AIDS patients from receiving medical benefits as an example of how Obama would use Obamacare to prevent YOU from receiving treatment, going so far as to use the phrase "Stop me if you've heard this one". It was touching.
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Dr Christmas posted:I'm an ex-Christian atheist, but somehow I still manage to be offended on Jesus' behalf by the anti-poor rhetoric offered by ostensible right wing Christians. You don't have to believe he's magic to respect his message. The most atheist of atheists should still be bothered by the way these fucks try to twist it.
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Dec 6, 2013 05:13
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RadicalR posted:Hahahaha, are you serious? They just put that on Twitter? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Fix nation is basically a blogging tool for Fox News watchers.
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Dec 6, 2013 05:32
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Wet and ready posted:So Fox thinks they can go after the Papa? 25% of the US population is Catholic. I know Fox rallies the base by demonizing everyone else, but it's getting to the point that the US population pretty much IS everyone else. Few of those Catholics are Fox News viewers, and the ones who are probably weren't fans of Vatican II. They got their (slowly dying off) audience, and that's all they need. PeterWeller posted:You don't have to believe he's magic to respect his message. The most atheist of atheists should still be bothered by the way these fucks try to twist it. That and there's a much better chance as an atheist you've at least skimmed the bible at some point.
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Dec 6, 2013 05:32
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RadicalR posted:Hahahaha, are you serious? They just put that on Twitter? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Shouldn't any Catholic who takes the Pope seriously already have one foot out of the GOP?
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Dec 6, 2013 05:55
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I think any Catholic who watches Fox News is ready to talk poo poo about the pope at a moment's notice.
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Dec 6, 2013 05:59
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:Shouldn't any Catholic who takes the Pope seriously already have one foot out of the GOP? Depends on the pope
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Dec 6, 2013 06:02
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From Americans Against the Tea Party, but I'd believe Orielly would say it: http://aattp.org/bill-oreilly-jesus-would-not-support-food-stamps-for-poor-people-because-most-of-them-are-drug-addicts-video/ quote:O’Reilly, of course, disagreed. “The problem I have, as I stated is that you’re helping one group by hurting another group and a bigger group, and so I don’t know if Jesus is going to be down with that,” O’Reilly told Dubois. O’Reilly added that poor people are at fault for their circumstances. Characterizing “millions and millions” of food stamp recipients as drug users who can’t hold jobs (causing them to be unable to care for their children), O’Reilly said that ”it’s your fault, you’re bringing the havoc, that you’re asking people who may be struggling themselves to put food on the table to give their tax money to you. And then you’re not even going to buy food with it, you’re going to buy booze and drugs with it. - See more at: http://aattp.org/bill-oreilly-jesus...h.RTUGo6ic.dpuf
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Dec 6, 2013 06:03
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comes along bort posted:That and there's a much better chance as an atheist you've at least skimmed the bible at some point. I sincerely doubt that. Misunderstandings and misinterpretations of its messages abound, but so do personal revelation and reading scripture.
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Dec 6, 2013 06:54
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So this is the front page of Breitbart right now They literally think Mandela's death deserves to be sidelined in favor of some dumbass Politico story about Obamacare. The sad thing is I was only momentarily surprised.
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Dec 6, 2013 07:04
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Gen. Ripper posted:So this is the front page of Breitbart right now What I want to know is why you thought Brietbart was more worthy of your attention than the Harry Potter fanfiction.
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Dec 6, 2013 07:08
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PeterWeller posted:I sincerely doubt that. Misunderstandings and misinterpretations of its messages abound, but so do personal revelation and reading scripture. http://www.pewforum.org/2010/09/28/u-s-religious-knowledge-survey/
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Dec 6, 2013 07:24
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:Shouldn't any Catholic who takes the Pope seriously already have one foot out of the GOP? Most conservative American Catholics don't care about what the pope says unless it already fits in with their ideology, at which point they become staunch ultramontanists. What puzzles me is that Francis isn't the first pope to express fiscal progressivism by a long shot; support for worker's rights were declared at the Vatican level at least from the reign of Leo XIII. I'm almost tempted to think that the media has narratives laid out for popes beforehand, and simply decided to make Francis "the liberal one" starting from the beginning of his pontificate, while reserving "hammer of the commies" and "reactionary old fart" for John Paul II and Benedict XVI respectively.
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Dec 6, 2013 07:40
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Vertical Lime posted:I just found out as of next month, it's going virtually all-syndicated right wing talk including Rush and Hannity: As much as I'm "sad" to lose the liberal station, it's becoming pretty clear that talk radio is slowly sinking into the past. Progressive radio shows aren't even that good most of the time, Randi Rhodes or whatever always made my jaw clench because of how annoying her voice and mannerisms are.
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Dec 6, 2013 07:41
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I didn't mean to dispute the claim that atheists statistically possess more knowledge of the Bible, merely the claim that christians don't read it. They may not read it well, but they do read it.
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Dec 6, 2013 08:08
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PeterWeller posted:I didn't mean to dispute the claim that atheists statistically possess more knowledge of the Bible, merely the claim that christians don't read it. They may not read it well, but they do read it. They go to their brainwashing boxes and have it read to them because they're not intelligent enough to read, much less comprehend.
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Dec 6, 2013 08:10
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OG KUSH BLUNTS posted:They go to their brainwashing boxes and have it read to them because they're not intelligent enough to read, much less comprehend. This is as crass and thoughtless as any other lovely stereotype.
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Dec 6, 2013 08:16
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PeterWeller posted:You don't have to believe he's magic to respect his message. The most atheist of atheists should still be bothered by the way these fucks try to twist it. The more agnostic and less church going I've become, the more I've developed a huge respect for Jesus and his teachings and the less I've been a fan of God (well Old Testament God anyway). I feel like the GOP and right-wingers are basically modern day Pharisees.
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Dec 6, 2013 08:38
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PeterWeller posted:This is as crass and thoughtless as any other lovely stereotype. "All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years."
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Dec 6, 2013 08:50
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Joementum posted:Here, have a Fox News think piece titled Pope Francis is the Catholic Church's Obama. I clicked on that link and ended up meandering onto this amazing piece of hard hitting news. I guess it's at least in the opinion section rather than being passed off as news, but how can anyone give enough of a gently caress about this nonsense to write about it? Young ballerinas kicked out of theater for MSNBC's Obama interview
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Dec 6, 2013 08:55
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ReindeerF posted:Actually I'd never thought about it, but I'd be really interested to see an honest survey of reading habits of AM Talk Radio listeners vs. NPR listeners. I can pretty much guess the result. AM Talk Radio won't read the bible until Conservapedia finishes unskewing the
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Dec 6, 2013 08:57
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PeterWeller posted:I didn't mean to dispute the claim that atheists statistically possess more knowledge of the Bible, merely the claim that christians don't read it. They may not read it well, but they do read it. Yeah, I probably should've worded that as "there's a much better chance as an atheist you've at least skimmed the bible largely free of denominationally specific interpretations reinforced by a strong ingroup dynamic which may or may not have anything to do with what's actually in the text at some point." ReindeerF posted:Actually I'd never thought about it, but I'd be really interested to see an honest survey of reading habits of AM Talk Radio listeners vs. NPR listeners. I can pretty much guess the result. A whole lot of Harry Turtledove and significant chunks of the Zondervan and Regnery catalogs. Alec Bald Snatch fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Dec 6, 2013 |
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Dec 6, 2013 09:04
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comes along bort posted:Yeah, I probably should've worded that as "there's a much better chance as an atheist you've at least skimmed the bible largely free of denominationally specific interpretations reinforced by a strong ingroup dynamic which may or may not have anything to do with what's actually in the text at some point." Not really, no. While the non-religious side is better about memorizing the verse-numbers of "ha! gotcha!" biblical lines: both camps are mostly dumb motherfuckers who don't know poo poo about poo poo.
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Dec 6, 2013 09:11
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If you legitimately think most atheist 'better knowledge of the bible' doesn't come from stupid 'so there' memorization of poo poo like the Leviticus ban on blended clothing and sending women out of the village on their periods, I don't know what to say. Also if you think 'how often do you sit down and read your holy book cover to cover' means anything to the non scholarly components of faith I also don't know what to say.
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Dec 6, 2013 09:23
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To be clear, I was referring to reading anything in a book format, though I waded into the Bible discussion.
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ReindeerF posted:To be clear, I was referring to reading anything in a book format, though I waded into the Bible discussion. Like I said, tons of Regnery publications. Those Politically Incorrect guides make great Christmas gifts.
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Dec 6, 2013 10:59
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Tatum Girlparts posted:If you legitimately think most atheist 'better knowledge of the bible' doesn't come from stupid 'so there' memorization of poo poo like the Leviticus ban on blended clothing and sending women out of the village on their periods, I don't know what to say. A Sizeable chunk of Atheists are people who did exactly that and came away with the only logical conclusion, so I'd say yeah, a good number of us actually do have better knowledge of the bible.
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comes along bort posted:Like I said, tons of Regnery publications. Those Politically Incorrect guides make great Christmas gifts.
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Touché.
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My Q-Face posted:A Sizeable chunk of Atheists are people who did exactly that and came away with the only logical conclusion, so I'd say yeah, a good number of us actually do have better knowledge of the bible. I was interesting in seeing if any research was done on what portion of atheists were christian at some point, so I did some googling. I haven't found too much so far, but this site is worth a brief look. http://www.atheistcensus.com/ There is a breakdown of the religious background, with the ability to further filter results down by country and other parameters. Fairly large majority of the results, and over 3/4 for the USA in particular, are from various forms of christianity. edit: thought the data would be pertinent to the discussion, not making any implications related to the biblical understanding of ex-christian atheists. esto es malo fucked around with this message at 13:25 on Dec 6, 2013 |
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Dec 6, 2013 13:22
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So how long until the GOP makes up a tea party pope and fox news just drops all mention of the real one?
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Dec 6, 2013 14:50
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InternetJunky posted:So how long until the GOP makes up a tea party pope and fox news just drops all mention of the real one? It's been too long since we've had a good schism. Let us reform the Lombard League as they bring on their anti-pope!
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Dec 6, 2013 14:52
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The new Avignon papacy holds court from a Chick-fil-A in Branson, MO.
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Dec 6, 2013 14:55
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joeburz posted:I was interesting in seeing if any research was done on what portion of atheists were christian at some point, so I did some googling. I haven't found too much so far, but this site is worth a brief look. http://www.atheistcensus.com/ Christians are a little shy of 80% of the US, so 3/4 of American atheists being former Christians is actually just about right.
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Dec 6, 2013 15:04
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Regarding talk radio, I have Sirius/XM and they recently shook up their Progressive channel by shoving off some major shows like Thom Hartmann (who I enjoyed quite a bit, in ~30min doses) and some other shows that I only caught now and then. Their new lineup is ok, but it's much less fully-political now, and much more broad in its "Progressive" mindset - minority rights (Make it Plain) and LBGT rights (Michaelangelo Signorelli). Some of those shows were around before the purge, but they're showcased now. Ed Shultz is still on, who is basically the left's version of Rush minus the lying but plus the constant shilling for Carbonite and Goldline. The problem with Left radio is that it's easier to get an audience by ginning-up your listeners than maintaining a mindset. I feel like Right Wing radio really embraces the ANGRY WHITE BACKLASH culture, where Left Wing radio tends to occasionally poke fun at the really egregious people and spend most of their time being reasonable and agreeable - but hey, I'm biased obviously and I get my weekly check directly from G. Soros.
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Dec 6, 2013 15:28
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robotsinmyhead posted:
From what I've seen of Shultz he does this as well just with "Angry backlash to angry white backlash". Like, I distinctly remember a part where he said "[GOP Politician] said that all welfare users take drugs!" and then he played a clip where the guy clearly stated that he didn't think all or even a majority of welfare users took drugs. It's not the same intensity but it is the same direction.
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Dec 6, 2013 15:36
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InternetJunky posted:So how long until the GOP makes up a tea party pope and fox news just drops all mention of the real one? It's that one episode of South Park coming to life. First on the agenda is Ronald Reagan's Sainthood.
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Dec 6, 2013 15:37
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computer parts posted:From what I've seen of Shultz he does this as well just with "Angry backlash to angry white backlash". He definitely has his moments. I don't listen to his show often as it doesn't coincide with my commute, but his show is only tolerable for me in small doses. His show is as close to mirroring the right-wing radio model as possible. The only other show I ever caught was Alan Colmes' show, late night. That one was full-on poo poo talking towards the right. Angry as gently caress at times, but completely hilarious at times he'd open his phones to 'Anything Goes' and get every drunken idiot on the phone. It was 50% Politics and 50% Bum Fights.
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robotsinmyhead posted:Regarding talk radio, I have Sirius/XM and they recently shook up their Progressive channel by shoving off some major shows like Thom Hartmann (who I enjoyed quite a bit, in ~30min doses) and some other shows that I only caught now and then. I just feel like most liberal/left leaning folks prefer their local NPR affiliate or the local hipster independent radio station. At least that's what the Nielson Audio ratings for Seattle show.
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O'Reilly ("Why can't I criticize Mandela for being a communist!?") and Santorum ("Obamacare is literally an apartheid state  ") tag-teamed for some terrible opinions on Mandela last night. Wonder if Rush will be able to top them today? 
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