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So RiotMagus is backtracking on their pros streaming other games provisions in the LCS contracts. "Hey everyone, There’s been a ton of discussion around our LCS team contracts, which stipulated active LCS players couldn’t stream a variety of other games. First, background on why we did this: there’ve been instances of other game studios trying to buy access to League fans by using (or trying to use) LCS teams/players to promote their competing games on stream. The way we chose to deal with this was clearly an overreach. It hit our goal of preventing companies from advertising through LCS players, but it also encroached on pros’ ability to have fun and entertain viewers during long Challenger queues – and we realize that’s not cool. After reading all of your comments and having a LOT of internal debate over the last 24 hours, we’re going to be changing the LCS team requirement to something that more closely matches our intent. While under contract to the LCS, teams and players can’t accept sponsorship from other game companies to promote other titles. Besides that, they are free to stream any games they want. I'll be hanging around to answer questions if you guys have any. Thanks for helping us make a better decision on this." -- I'm still indifferent.
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Homura posted:MakNooN hasn't played in Champions for over a season now though -- KT Arrows didn't qualify last season and only finished 5th - 8th in NLB. I'm sure he has some confidence issues on top of the pressures you mentioned and the stress of trying to change positions. The big play potential is definitely there though, and he has a good track record of winning when he was on Sword. Wasn't the 2012 winter najin sword team largely built around maknoon though ?
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Dec 7, 2013 01:23
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Well I knew this was the real reason not "being afraid of advertisements of other games" or something silly like that. Still, I fear there might be problems with this, the player can still make contracts secretly, behind Riot's back, in some way, no? If the secret is revealed then there will be repercussions, yes, but that might take some time.
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Dec 7, 2013 01:24
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It's hilarious how frequently Riot gets overtly evil in the competitive gaming arena, and just as hilarious how quickly they get smacked down every time.
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Dec 7, 2013 01:25
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Savage Cracker posted:Wasn't the 2012 winter najin sword team largely built around maknoon though ? Yeah, the prime MakNooN top lane Najin Sword team was a loving insane lineup that I have no idea to this day why they ever split up.
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Dec 7, 2013 01:25
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Savage Cracker posted:Wasn't the 2012 winter najin sword team largely built around maknoon though ? He definitely carried them hard and was their shot caller. I still don't think any of them are able to shotcall effectively for Sword. Monte was speculating that Ssong switched to support just to have him ingame so he could shotcall, but that didn't really work out. I wonder what direction they go in next -- breaking up the Pray/Cain botlane wasn't the answer.
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Dec 7, 2013 01:27
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K8.0 posted:It's hilarious how frequently Riot gets overtly evil in the competitive gaming arena, and just as hilarious how quickly they get smacked down every time. Pretty sure most people in here thought that it was a fairly reasonable request. 'Overtly evil' might be a slight bit of hyperbole.
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Dec 7, 2013 01:35
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Zahki posted:Pretty sure most people in here thought that it was a fairly reasonable request. 'Overtly evil' might be a slight bit of hyperbole. Fairly reasonable if a bit dickish and controlling. Expectedly corporate Regardless, the amended version is better and more closely addresses the issue of competing sponsorships.
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Dec 7, 2013 01:40
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Homura posted:First, background on why we did this: there’ve been instances of other game studios trying to buy access to League fans by using (or trying to use) LCS teams/players to promote their competing games on stream. This seems pretty clearly what they wanted to prevent. Also, hard to call it backtracking when the initial contracts were a leak anyway.
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Dec 7, 2013 01:40
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Monte also has the benefit of having the most made-for-radio voice of any man alive. I could listen to him talk about paint drying.  Jatt/Rivington are probably the guys I hear the most often though. They can get kinda derpy but I usually just laugh when one of them fails at a joke and then admits it. I don't dislike any of the official casters which is pretty nice. (And while I really hope Krepo doesn't end up benched for a season, (wtf is going on EG?) I'd love to hear him as a permanent commentator too.)
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Dec 7, 2013 01:44
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Zahki posted:Pretty sure most people in here thought that it was a fairly reasonable request. 'Overtly evil' might be a slight bit of hyperbole. On top of which, there is definitely a difference between 'getting paid to stream another game' and 'randomly filling queue time at 5AM EST because Dyrus doesn't sleep a normal schedule.' Also, while they may not have gone about it the best way, there are not a ton of companies out there that would change their stance or even acknowledge the fanbase complaints when it comes to contracts.
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Dec 7, 2013 01:48
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http://www.twitch.tv/wellplayed NA Promotional group stages starting now, with Complexity vs TBD Jintae on mid for Complexity - surprising nobody, he picks up Orianna for game one. M eye A taking Fiddle, looking forward to see what he'll do. Edit: Complexity's positioning is terrible, they keep getting caught. Megazero what are you even doing PlaceholderPigeon fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Dec 7, 2013 |
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Dec 7, 2013 02:06
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Epic burn on MZ from the casters, daaaaamn.
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Dec 7, 2013 02:29
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K8.0 posted:It's hilarious how frequently Riot gets overtly evil in the competitive gaming arena, and just as hilarious how quickly they get smacked down every time. I'd like to thank Totalbiscuit. His crusade and 30 minute video assisted in defeating the dark colossus we know as Riot. Evil has been vanquished today. We will call upon his sword of justice when we require it and unleash Reddit once again. The only reason any of this became public to begin with was a leak by some LCS young idiot with a bone to pick, and detractors leaped onto it like stink on poo poo. Reddit got thrown into the fray, and because they're a bunch of young adults with no comprehension of business, they assume it's end times and Riot is destroying all competitors when it's a simple business move.
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Dec 7, 2013 02:47
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Corbeau posted:Epic burn on MZ from the casters, daaaaamn. Guess I turned in too late, what happened?
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Dec 7, 2013 02:48
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Freaksaus posted:Guess I turned in too late, what happened? Something along the lines of "He really is a MegaZero! Zero kills, Zero assists, Zero kill participation" EDIT: Even bigger burn on Locodoco. "Gunza always carries Locodoco around like a sack of worthless potatoes." AdjectiveNoun fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Dec 7, 2013 |
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Dec 7, 2013 02:49
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Servaetes posted:Lit-trolly the most obsurd plahye I've evah seen. This means war Servates, you thought 1812 was bad. But seriously, I did a riot event once in France, and have done some Challenger level stuff now and then.
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Dec 7, 2013 02:57
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AdjectiveNoun posted:Something along the lines of "He really is a MegaZero! Zero kills, Zero assists, Zero kill participation" And then Loco finishes like, 7/0/6.
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Dec 7, 2013 03:37
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Vequeth posted:This means war Servates, you thought 1812 was bad. Ahem, buddy, it's Servets. Also that really freaking owns, dude  After the Riot thing in France, have they bugged you about doing more, or was it a one time gig? ps I'm still scared of your Cassiopeia
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Dec 7, 2013 03:46
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Servaetes posted:Ahem, buddy, it's Servets. Also that really freaking owns, dude One time really, they were short on casters as Quickshot was off casting some tournament in Italy that weekend. There are younger, more attractive, less cynical casters than I out there.
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Dec 7, 2013 04:05
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theystolemyname posted:People who watch esports are in general children and overly entitled. I stopped reading your awful post after this sentence. EDIT: Actually the number of awful generalizations in this thread is hilarious. "Anyone who holds an opinion that conflicts with mine is dumb/naive/ignorant." NaanViolence fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Dec 7, 2013 |
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Dec 7, 2013 05:10
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This Cog/Complexity game is boring as sin. 1 kill in 22 minutes.
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Dec 7, 2013 05:45
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Zhent posted:On top of which, there is definitely a difference between 'getting paid to stream another game' and 'randomly filling queue time at 5AM EST because Dyrus doesn't sleep a normal schedule.' Also, while they may not have gone about it the best way, there are not a ton of companies out there that would change their stance or even acknowledge the fanbase complaints when it comes to contracts. Yeah, there was a significant amount of discussion about the initial explanation internally with a significant majority of Rioters agreeing with the sentiment that the wording preventing pro players from streaming other games was a bad idea for a myriad of reasons. I'm really happy about the backlash from the playerbase (wide and internal) at keeping us honest in sticking to whats important.
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Dec 7, 2013 05:50
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Libertine posted:This Cog/Complexity game is boring as sin. 1 kill in 22 minutes. It's really strange. With an Evelynn on the field you'd think the engagements would be happening more.
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Dec 7, 2013 05:53
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At least it had an exciting and entirely unexpected ending.
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Dec 7, 2013 06:05
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RIP Complexity.
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Dec 7, 2013 06:05
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They were the favorites to break into LCS out of challenger... RIGHT until it started mattering. Poor guys.
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Losing their jungler had to hurt, and wasn't Prolly the one who made a lot of the calls for them?
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I feel really awful about it.
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Dec 7, 2013 06:43
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mastermind2004 posted:Losing their jungler had to hurt, and wasn't Prolly the one who made a lot of the calls for them? Prolly and Laute had a really great partnership going back to LgN, and I think Prolly only got along with him. When Laute stepped down, it sounded like there was a lot of friction between him and the others. I imagine Laute was the shotcaller (as captain), and everything seems to have fallen apart without him. Nis fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Dec 7, 2013 |
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Dec 7, 2013 06:43
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The more i watch skt1 games the less i believe in the korean hype train and the more i believe in the skt hype train. edit: and as i say that skt1 flops a bit in the second game :< Lucian so god tier and Vayne so poo poo tier that Piglet's Vayne is beating down Lustboy's Lucian earlyon. uaciaut fucked around with this message at 12:04 on Dec 7, 2013 |
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Dec 7, 2013 11:10
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Mandu is the best Nami in the world, god drat.
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Didn't see Game 1 of T1K vs Blaze but wow that second game was fantastic.
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Dec 7, 2013 12:30
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Spuddingtooon... whyyyy... I got up at 5 o'clock for you!
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Frgrbrgr posted:Spuddingtooon... whyyyy... I got up at 5 o'clock for you! Well we should be going soon! And neverstopping again it feels like
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A jargogle posted:Well we should be going soon! And neverstopping again it feels like Russian server >< good luck! I'll be tuned it all day.
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Dec 7, 2013 15:27
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curiousCat posted:I feel really awful about it. I don't. They did it to themselves by getting rid of a player who, even if he was underperforming or was a bit of problem internally, had been with them for literally a year. What an awful, awful move. I welcome our new Quantic overlords.
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Sexpansion posted:I don't. They did it to themselves by getting rid of a player who, even if he was underperforming or was a bit of problem internally, had been with them for literally a year. What an awful, awful move. I don't disagree, but what I (/we) do know is that Pr0lly doesn't have the best reputation for being an enjoyable dude to play video games with. Which is kind of weird with how likable he's on camera, but I don't have a hard time believing his camera persona could hide behind it all kinds of passive-aggressive skullduggery and primadonna bullshit. Going by what I've heard, not what I know, based on what I know I honestly want to like Pr0lly v  v. I'd like to think that Complexity knew better than anybody how big of a deal it was to lose two of their (three) "star" players in a month, one of them the team captain, both of them the primary shot callers, and that they're more qualified to consider the pros and cons of the situation than most. Like, let's say coL qualified for S4 LCS with Pr0lly who everyone wants to get rid of ASAP, I'd imagine he can't be kicked out quite so easily right after signing S4 contracts. At least if he or his agent can read and write.
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Dec 7, 2013 16:49
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Sexpansion posted:I don't. They did it to themselves by getting rid of a player who, even if he was underperforming or was a bit of problem internally, had been with them for literally a year. What an awful, awful move. I dunno about that. Getting rid of a player who is under performing/a problem internally is exactly the thing an organization should be doing if they want to be anything. Chaox and TSM is the most obvious example that comes to mind.
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Hypocrisy posted:I dunno about that. Getting rid of a player who is under performing/a problem internally is exactly the thing an organization should be doing if they want to be anything. Chaox and TSM is the most obvious example that comes to mind. I thought Prolly's issue was that he didn't think the team was taking practice seriously and stuff? If anything, Chaox was the complete opposite since the final straw was a night spent partying before a matchday at MLG.
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