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obeyasia
Sep 21, 2004

Grimey Drawer

Thermopyle posted:

I've got 4 family members all on their own phone contracts and packages that I'm not currently involved in in any way. Wife and I have two smartphones with one on contract.

Is it possible to move their phone contracts on to our package (and I'd increase data and minutes on our package) without paying ETF's or re-upping their contracts?

Yes.

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Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

Thermopyle posted:

I've got 4 family members all on their own phone contracts and packages that I'm not currently involved in in any way. Wife and I have two smartphones with one on contract.

Is it possible to move their phone contracts on to our package (and I'd increase data and minutes on our package) without paying ETF's or re-upping their contracts?

$18 transfer fee if done in store, no fee if done online. Either way it just transfers the liability of there remaining amounts on their contracts to where you are liable.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
Can anyone think of a reason why you couldn't sue AT&T over unlocking an iPhone? I canceled my service, paid the ETF and it's now been 20 days since I put in my unlock request with no resolution from AT&T. Apparently they changed their policies in September and all unlock requests have to go to some mythical department that is only reachable via their ticketing system. I've had 3 tickets escalate up to them and no one's contacting me back. Helpdesks and escalation managers just keep saying there's nothing else they can do. The initial request was supposed to take 7 days max and they've since sent up two more requests that shouldn't have taken more than 72 hours each. I think there's a glitch somewhere, but no one seems interested in figuring out the problem.

Since AT&T is essentially depriving me of my phone, why not sue them for the value. Worst case scenario I'm out 76 bucks in magistrate court.

hotsauce
Jan 14, 2007

Krispy Kareem posted:

Can anyone think of a reason why you couldn't sue AT&T over unlocking an iPhone? I canceled my service, paid the ETF and it's now been 20 days since I put in my unlock request with no resolution from AT&T. Apparently they changed their policies in September and all unlock requests have to go to some mythical department that is only reachable via their ticketing system. I've had 3 tickets escalate up to them and no one's contacting me back. Helpdesks and escalation managers just keep saying there's nothing else they can do. The initial request was supposed to take 7 days max and they've since sent up two more requests that shouldn't have taken more than 72 hours each. I think there's a glitch somewhere, but no one seems interested in figuring out the problem.

Since AT&T is essentially depriving me of my phone, why not sue them for the value. Worst case scenario I'm out 76 bucks in magistrate court.

Well worded executive email bomb? I did just that earlier this week with Marriott. I booked the wrong night on a cyber monday promotion and they flat out would not refund or change the reservation.

One well worded email to several executives and the CEO later, I got a call from Bill Marriott's office at 8am the next morning. Taken care of instantly.

I don't know if this would work in your scenario, but I've done it a few times with 100% success.

SeaborneClink
Aug 27, 2010

MAWP... MAWP!

Krispy Kareem posted:

Can anyone think of a reason why you couldn't sue AT&T over unlocking an iPhone?

Yes. You signed a binding arbitration clause :science:

You could still file in small claims, which you should anyway since the value of your iPhone isn't worth the cost of a real case anyway.

obeyasia
Sep 21, 2004

Grimey Drawer

Krispy Kareem posted:

Can anyone think of a reason why you couldn't sue AT&T over unlocking an iPhone? I canceled my service, paid the ETF and it's now been 20 days since I put in my unlock request with no resolution from AT&T. Apparently they changed their policies in September and all unlock requests have to go to some mythical department that is only reachable via their ticketing system. I've had 3 tickets escalate up to them and no one's contacting me back. Helpdesks and escalation managers just keep saying there's nothing else they can do. The initial request was supposed to take 7 days max and they've since sent up two more requests that shouldn't have taken more than 72 hours each. I think there's a glitch somewhere, but no one seems interested in figuring out the problem.

Since AT&T is essentially depriving me of my phone, why not sue them for the value. Worst case scenario I'm out 76 bucks in magistrate court.

You should just lawyer up and find out. This question is typically beyond anything a self identified retail worker is allowed to touch. As a matter of fact, if a customer even mentions litigation, we're supposed to cease all contact with them and direct them to their legal council to contact AT&T through the appropriate channels.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

obeyasia posted:

You should just lawyer up and find out. This question is typically beyond anything a self identified retail worker is allowed to touch. As a matter of fact, if a customer even mentions litigation, we're supposed to cease all contact with them and direct them to their legal council to contact AT&T through the appropriate channels.

Well it's small claims so no lawyer necessary. I've already talked with AT&T's subpoena department so I know exactly who to sue so they get serviced properly.

hotsauce posted:

Well worded executive email bomb? I did just that earlier this week with Marriott. I booked the wrong night on a cyber monday promotion and they flat out would not refund or change the reservation.

I used to work for AT&T so you'd think I'd know someone who could help. I could send emails to Stephenson and de la Vega but since I'm no longer a wireless customer I kind of doubt it'd work. And anyway, suing might be fun. Although it means I definitely won't be getting my iPhone unlocked for another month at least.

Krispy Wafer fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Dec 5, 2013

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

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Toilet Rascal
The new chairman of the FCC strongly suggested that carriers unlock phones at contract end but I'm not sure it's required.

Also it's now illegal under the DMCA to unlock phones but I would guess that just means by 3rd parties.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57612483-94/new-fcc-chairman-presses-carriers-to-unlock-cell-phones/

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

NOM NOM NOM

Krispy Kareem posted:

Well it's small claims so no lawyer necessary. I've already talked with AT&T's subpoena department so I know exactly who to sue so they get serviced properly.


I used to work for AT&T so you'd think I'd know someone who could help. I could send emails to Stephenson and de la Vega but since I'm no longer a wireless customer I kind of doubt it'd work. And anyway, suing might be fun. Although it means I definitely won't be getting my iPhone unlocked for another month at least.

Email whoever your VPGM is. If you worked wireless you shook there hand at some point unless your VPGM was a cock knob.

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

Krispy Kareem posted:


I used to work for AT&T so you'd think I'd know someone who could help. I could send emails to Stephenson and de la Vega but since I'm no longer a wireless customer I kind of doubt it'd work. And anyway, suing might be fun. Although it means I definitely won't be getting my iPhone unlocked for another month at least.

I know they kind if cracked down so it's slower to process, but there should still be someone online who can get unlock codes?

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
I know they aren't legally required to unlock my phone but its their policy to unlock it as long as you meet certain requirements. So it all depends on the judge ruling whether company policy is enforceable in court. I'm not really sure what the answer there is. I'm wagering a company violating their written policy is grounds for a lawsuit without a corresponding broken law.

EbolaIvory posted:

Email whoever your VPGM is. If you worked wireless you shook there hand at some point unless your VPGM was a cock knob.

Unfortunately I worked on the internet side so I don't know anyone on the wireless end.

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I know they kind if cracked down so it's slower to process, but there should still be someone online who can get unlock codes?
[/quote]

From what I've seen AT&T clamped down on mass wholesale unlocking so the cost of getting an unlock code has jumped to at least $100. Odd thing is, at one point AT&T tried to shift blame and transferred me to AppleCare who told me they couldn't see a lock on the phone. Do the unlock codes come from Apple or AT&T?

Krispy Wafer fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Dec 5, 2013

obeyasia
Sep 21, 2004

Grimey Drawer
This just in, AT&T will discount your (mobile share only) plan by $15 when you do NEXT or bring your own device. Basically accounting for the difference for not having to subsidize your device. Hooray.

http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=25145&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=37330&mapcode=consumer|mobile-devices

obeyasia fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Dec 5, 2013

nimper
Jun 19, 2003

livin' in a hopium den

obeyasia posted:

This just in, AT&T will discount your (mobile share only) plan by $15 when you do next or bring your own device. Basically accounting for the difference for not having to subsidize your device. Hooray.

http://feedly.com/k/193iTIf

Good. Gooooood.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell



Duckman2008 posted:

$18 transfer fee if done in store, no fee if done online. Either way it just transfers the liability of there remaining amounts on their contracts to where you are liable.

Thanks.

Another related question.

What advantages, if any, does a small business plan bring over just using a family mobile share plan?

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
So much for suing. 20 days after the initial request, AT&T finally got around to unlocking my iPhone. Thank God. Android and I do not get along.

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer
The new plans for Next are great and I am drat excited so far. Next now looks like a legit deal.

Thermopyle posted:

Thanks.

Another related question.

What advantages, if any, does a small business plan bring over just using a family mobile share plan?

Anything under 5 just customer service and no activation fees. 5+ you can get a small 8% discount. 10+ you can have more than 10 lines on certain mobile share.

Overall not much, but you get more support, flexibility and ATT tends to treat business customers like gold.

obeyasia
Sep 21, 2004

Grimey Drawer

Duckman2008 posted:

The new plans for Next are great and I am drat excited so far. Next now looks like a legit deal.


Anything under 5 just customer service and no activation fees. 5+ you can get a small 8% discount. 10+ you can have more than 10 lines on certain mobile share.

Overall not much, but you get more support, flexibility and ATT tends to treat business customers like gold.

Be prepared with an actual tax ID.

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

zoom-zoom
Toilet Rascal

obeyasia posted:

This just in, AT&T will discount your (mobile share only) plan by $15 when you do NEXT or bring your own device. Basically accounting for the difference for not having to subsidize your device. Hooray.

http://feedly.com/k/193iTIf

This link isn't working for me.
Here's an L.A. times article about it though: http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-att-no-contract-plans-20131205,0,7667708.story#axzz2mdHYy3uf

Beefstorm
Jul 20, 2010

"It's not the size of the tower. It's the motion of the airwaves."
Lipstick Apathy

I'm about to do a write up of the new plans and what to expect. AT&T NEXT isn't a HORRIBLE option anymore. But it is still technically more economical to do two year.

obeyasia
Sep 21, 2004

Grimey Drawer

Edited to direct link to Press Release.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Duckman2008 posted:

The new plans for Next are great and I am drat excited so far. Next now looks like a legit deal.


Anything under 5 just customer service and no activation fees. 5+ you can get a small 8% discount. 10+ you can have more than 10 lines on certain mobile share.

Overall not much, but you get more support, flexibility and ATT tends to treat business customers like gold.

Questions:

1. As far as I can tell from the website, the business mobile share plans cost the same amount as regular family mobile share plans, correct?

2. And then the discount comes off of that?

3. I'm looking at a hotspot, 2 dumb phones, and 4 smartphones on a 10GB plan. When you say 5+ you can get a small discount, do you mean just 5 devices, or does it have to be 5 smartphones or something?

4. Can I set this up online, including moving multiple devices from multiple other packages into this new small business package?

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

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Toilet Rascal

obeyasia posted:

Edited to direct link to Press Release.

Thanks. What was weird was I could see the title of the new release at the top of the browser but the body said 404.

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

Thermopyle posted:

Questions:

1. As far as I can tell from the website, the business mobile share plans cost the same amount as regular family mobile share plans, correct?

2. And then the discount comes off of that?

3. I'm looking at a hotspot, 2 dumb phones, and 4 smartphones on a 10GB plan. When you say 5+ you can get a small discount, do you mean just 5 devices, or does it have to be 5 smartphones or something?

4. Can I set this up online, including moving multiple devices from multiple other packages into this new small business package?

You really should go into a store to go over all the options, and quite honestly it'll likely get someone paid so it would be a win win. Plus they'll make sure it's set right.

Discount goes off the base mobile share plan, not the whole thing. Same with any current family plan. Discounts go off older $25 2GB plans, but not $30 3GB. It's 8% off the base once you have 5 devices on there, a hot spot counts as a device.

The plans are the same otherwise.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Duckman2008 posted:

You really should go into a store to go over all the options, and quite honestly it'll likely get someone paid so it would be a win win. Plus they'll make sure it's set right.

Discount goes off the base mobile share plan, not the whole thing. Same with any current family plan. Discounts go off older $25 2GB plans, but not $30 3GB. It's 8% off the base once you have 5 devices on there, a hot spot counts as a device.

The plans are the same otherwise.

Sweet, that takes care of me. Thanks.

adorai
Nov 2, 2002

10/27/04 Never forget
Grimey Drawer
So if I have two subsidized lines on a mobile share, and want to bring my own phone for a third line, is it the same price or can I get a discount on that?

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

adorai posted:

So if I have two subsidized lines on a mobile share, and want to bring my own phone for a third line, is it the same price or can I get a discount on that?

On the new plans yes, and very likely that's the best option. Stop by a store when you get said 3rd phone and they would love to get you taken care of.

adorai
Nov 2, 2002

10/27/04 Never forget
Grimey Drawer

Duckman2008 posted:

On the new plans yes, and very likely that's the best option. Stop by a store when you get said 3rd phone and they would love to get you taken care of.
Thank you AT&T for giving the world another 8 year old with a cell phone.

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

NOM NOM NOM

obeyasia posted:

Be prepared with an actual tax ID.

Unless its 5 lines then you can use your personal social.

Grassy Knowles
Apr 4, 2003

"The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"

adorai posted:

Thank you AT&T for giving the world another 8 year old with a cell phone.

You can also make most smartphones usable w/o cell signal if you don't want your 8 year old running rampant with a full-fledged cell.

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

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Toilet Rascal

Duckman2008 posted:

On the new plans yes, and very likely that's the best option. Stop by a store when you get said 3rd phone and they would love to get you taken care of.

That's excellent as it's what I plan to do also.
By the way: was there ever actually a red Lumia 1020 for AT&T?

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

CharlesM posted:

That's excellent as it's what I plan to do also.
By the way: was there ever actually a red Lumia 1020 for AT&T?

I don't think so. I've only seen white, yellow and black, although someone like Best Buy may have had an exclusive.

Sticky
Jan 1, 2006

Pornhub. XTube. I know these names, better than I know my own grandmothers.

CharlesM posted:

That's excellent as it's what I plan to do also.
By the way: was there ever actually a red Lumia 1020 for AT&T?

I don't think we ever carried one. I think it may have only been available internationally.

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

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Toilet Rascal
I couldn't even find one on eBay so I guess not. I would have liked that :)

direspoon
Jul 8, 2006

Is that a spoon around your neck, or are you just happy to see me?

It looks like you can't add lines to old Family Plans without converting to Mobile Share now?

Doing some rough math, it'd probably be a little more to switch over, but with more minutes and data available to everyone. However, that doesn't include taxes or my current 20% FAN discount. How much does the FAN discount apply to in Mobile Share plans? Any hidden caveats to switching over? Thanks.

Sticky
Jan 1, 2006

Pornhub. XTube. I know these names, better than I know my own grandmothers.
You should be able to add lines to your family plan still. Unless you have 5 lines already in which case you've hit the limit on lines allowed on that plan.

Online it can be a little confusing sometimes. Go into a store and talk to a rep if need be.

direspoon
Jul 8, 2006

Is that a spoon around your neck, or are you just happy to see me?

Sticky posted:

You should be able to add lines to your family plan still. Unless you have 5 lines already in which case you've hit the limit on lines allowed on that plan.

Online it can be a little confusing sometimes. Go into a store and talk to a rep if need be.

Ah, that's it. I thought the limit was six, not five. So adding another line is beyond the limit, that's why it's kicking us over. Thanks. I'm definitely assuming that adding a sixth and switching to Mobile Share would be a better deal than keeping our current Family Plan and then setting up an independent account for the other line.

Bunk Rogers
Mar 14, 2002

I want to upgrade from my old iPhone to a Moto X. My plan is one of the Grandfathered unlimited data family plans. What is the easiest way to upgrade and still keep my old plan? It does not appear to be possible through AT&T's website.

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

Bunk Rogers posted:

I want to upgrade from my old iPhone to a Moto X. My plan is one of the Grandfathered unlimited data family plans. What is the easiest way to upgrade and still keep my old plan? It does not appear to be possible through AT&T's website.

Anywhere on go you will keep the plan, ordering it should be fine too. Care can fix any issues with 14 days.

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

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Toilet Rascal
Are they any drawbacks to purchasing a refurbished phone from the site?

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Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

CharlesM posted:

Are they any drawbacks to purchasing a refurbished phone from the site?

Standard risk of refurbished not beig as good as new, lesser warranty on iPhones, etc. personally unless it's more than a $50 savings I don't think it's worth it.

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