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What are the cultures that are completely homogenized? Because I can't think of a single one that doesn't borrow huge chunks out of each others cultures through food, music, art, literature, inventions etc. I mean I guess there are some tribes untouched by outside cultures in rainforests somewhere that would fit this category but I wouldn't go basing my entire political belief system on them. Ketchup. posted:I think in Great Britain it will return to the 80's anti-immigrant fascist culture. They did a BBC Poll which I saw on youtube last weekend and it Backfired. 89% of the UK voters were against immigration. I love it when Silly Zionist, with their anti-White propaganda fail so bad. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-public-wrong-about-nearly-everything-survey-shows-8697821.html
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Obdicut posted:"Everyone fears the Other" is not, in fact, a biological statement, except if you use dumb-rear end Nazi semi-mystical science, which you do. Still haven't read E. O. Wilson, eh? Maybe you'll get around to it some day. Raskolnikov38 posted:Please point out a homogenous Someone upthread mentioned Japan, which is good. Obviously not 100% the same but close enough. The goal would be to get as close as possible of course.
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Emden posted:Still haven't read E. O. Wilson, eh? Maybe you'll get around to it some day. Japan nicked huge chunks of it's culture from China. Karate is a bastardized version of Kung Fu, for example.
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Emden posted:And if anything it has been the multiracial, multicultural empires that have fallen time and time again. Guess what other thing has fallen time and time again: homogenous empires. Guess what things fall time and time again: all empires because all empires fall eventually regardless of their social makeup you idiot.
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Are you morons seriously debating with emden, the literal nazi? Really? You didn't get the memo? I mean his custom title is right there, and it's not an exaggeration. You think people would learn.
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It's more interesting than debating when and where is exactly the right moment to bash the fash.
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Emden posted:Still haven't read E. O. Wilson, eh? Maybe you'll get around to it some day. You neither actually understand Wilson, nor is Wilson a pre-eminent authority on human biology. His specialty is ants. rudatron posted:Are you morons seriously debating with emden, the literal nazi? Really? You didn't get the memo? I mean his custom title is right there, and it's not an exaggeration. Or people think that, regardless of the trolling or non of a poster, that making the counterarguments is still worthwhile. It's best to simply not invite Nazis or pretend Nazis or whatever the gently caress along, but a long as they can speak, it's best to show how dumb they are. What's weird to me is people who buy custom titles saying "don't respond to this guy" because it never works.
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Emden posted:That's BS. There are some people that offer nothing at all; they may even be a negative drain on the world. And if anything it has been the multiracial, multicultural empires that have fallen time and time again. The United States is still young and therefore on a high point but just wait until poo poo starts to slow down. We're not going to be a world power forever. The imperialism is going to dry up soon enough. And then we're gonna balkanize. Just like literally every other empire ever. ...so? Who cares exactly if the people of the USA want to break up the nation? Oh no, a country takes up less space on the map than it did previously, the horrors  . Unless there's an implied "and then the foreigners invade because you know how THEY are", your nightmare scenario is about as bad as "And then there will be a .05% increase on all tin imports!!!  ".Raskolnikov38 posted:It's more interesting than debating when and where is exactly the right moment to bash the fash. This, and accusing people of being fascist for the crime of not wanting a derail.
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Look Emden, stop it with this line by line response thing. The best you can do is to make a longer post where you explain yourself more broadly. For starters - what do you hope to achieve? How do you think society is going to stop being stagnant and decadent?
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Dusz posted:Look Emden, stop it with this line by line response thing. The best you can do is to make a longer post where you explain yourself more broadly. For starters - what do you hope to achieve? How do you think society is going to stop being stagnant and decadent? His answer may very verbose or quite terse, but will in essence be only fourteen words long.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:His answer may very verbose or quite terse, but will in essence be only fourteen words long.  E: Emden, I like you because you make things interesting here every now and then. Which one of the two "Fourteen Words" versions is your favorite and why? quote:We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children. quote:Because the beauty of the White Aryan woman must not perish from the earth. SaltyJesus fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Nov 26, 2013 |
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Dusz posted:Look Emden, stop it with this line by line response thing. The best you can do is to make a longer post where you explain yourself more broadly. For starters - what do you hope to achieve? How do you think society is going to stop being stagnant and decadent? You make a good point, Dusz. I respect your posting style so I will reveal to you that I have been cooking up something like this since I joined. Expect a thread soon-ish.
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 Raskolnikov38 posted:It's more interesting than debating when and where is exactly the right moment to bash the fash. "Wait, fascists don't have a material basis for their ideology? It's just rooted in vague concepts that are ultimately meaningless, such as 'decadence' and 'stagnation'?  "
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rudatron posted:
If you give a long-winded speech to a wall, and other people are standing around that wall, then they get to hear it too. It's really not off-topic to talk about the bankruptcy of Fascist ideology in a thread about Fascism.
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Emden posted:There's no way it'll be a "sudden shift". Regardless, I'm not sure how they'll be treated. Probably very poorly no matter where they live. Racial mixing will definitely be frowned upon. Next important question: do you think this is a bad thing? Or would it be better if we hosed around until we're all beige and the racism problem disappears?
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Jedit posted:Next important question: do you think this is a bad thing? Or would it be better if we hosed around until we're all beige and the racism problem disappears?
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Emden posted:That's BS. There are some people that offer nothing at all; they may even be a negative drain on the world. And if anything it has been the multiracial, multicultural empires that have fallen time and time again. The United States is still young and therefore on a high point but just wait until poo poo starts to slow down. We're not going to be a world power forever. The imperialism is going to dry up soon enough. And then we're gonna balkanize. Just like literally every other empire ever. Continuing to prove the old adage that white supremacists tend to be the dumbest/worst examples of the race, I see. I mean, every empire is impermanent; to claim that a racially homogenous empire would last forever is so stupid it's astounding. Most empires even were the type where the dominant group kept all the others as second class (or worse) citizens (or slaves). Hell, possibly the most resilient empire is China which, if you happen to be an ignorant fuckwit Nazi ignorant of history, has a long history of dynasties from various cultures ruling over a multicultural/racial empire. Seriously, what is an example of an empire falling apart cause it gets too rich/lazy/fat? Racist shitbags keep saying "decadence" is what kills empires, yet they keep failing to bring up examples (or lie when they do).
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Captain_Maclaine posted:His answer may very verbose or quite terse, but will in essence be only fourteen words long.  All this talk of Emden and walls is kinda giving me a semi.
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QUILT_MONSTER_420 posted:Hey Emden FYI as far as science goes race is not an accurate or productive way to describe human biological variation. You don't mean to suggest that race is a social construct! 
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You know Japan was a loving joke under the shogun, and became a serious player after lifting humongous chunks of culture, technology, and philosophy from Prussia, right? There is no homogenous monoculture. As far as I see it, the only people with nothing to contribute or who are negative drains on the world are close-minded idiots who want the world to fit into their D&D-alignments-level understanding of the world. Address my central point from before: if you fascists think conflict is what makes people strong, why are you trying to wipe out all conflict and create a stagnant, close-minded monoculture?
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If society thrives under conflict and violence then why is an homogeneous society favorable? They either create stable, happy societies due to having natural racial closeness or this stability and happiness mellows them and invariably corrupts them and makes them weak. Why are the longest empires in each era dominated by multicultural metropolis that can absorb everything new they receive? Emden posted:Someone upthread mentioned Japan, which is good. Obviously not 100% the same but close enough. The goal would be to get as close as possible of course. Unless you think it's homogeneous because they all have slant eyes and speak Japanese. But that's a bit racist Emden.
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SSJ2 Goku Wilders posted:Welcome back buddy. Hey man, glad to be around. rudatron posted:Are you morons seriously debating with emden, the literal nazi? Really? You didn't get the memo? I mean his custom title is right there, and it's not an exaggeration. Well maybe I am wrong but I think there is some point to talking with him. To explain myself, I don't think debate is some kind of ritual where the two parties come together to agree that the answer is in the middle at the end. It's much more like a war - the only way debates seem to conclude is either capitulation or retreat of one side or the other. From that perspective I think debating him is actually a good idea. I think people should let him open himself up, it's only to our advantage. After all - does anyone here think he is going to be able to stand his ground? We all agree that fascism has already proven itself wrong, he obviously has no chance of winning. Sure enough, there is nothing morally wrong with going after him more directly. However, I don't think it will work online. He obviously doesn't care about bans, or about what you think of him. Maybe in real life such a measure would have some power, as he would have to face some real consequences. Not here though.
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Not for the proud (white) man apart From the raging moon you write But for the lurkers. I agree that no-one's going to change Emden's mind, but considered, well-cited and thorough rebuttals to all of his points are an incredibly useful resource for everyone else, especially if they have to deal with this kind of poo poo in real life.
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Mans posted:If society thrives under conflict and violence then why is an homogeneous society favorable? They either create stable, happy societies due to having natural racial closeness or this stability and happiness mellows them and invariably corrupts them and makes them weak. Japan isn't linguistically homogeneous, since there are four different "native" languages spoken on the main islands besides Ainu and Ryukyuan. It also isn't ethnically homogeneous, since you have the Ryukyuans, Ainu, Burakumin etc. even without getting into immigrant populations. Culturally, there are all sorts of differences that were even broader before the Meiji attempted to enforce homogeneity on the populace. And this is all recent history, and without getting into any of the issues Japanese society has arguably produced from this desire for homogeneity. I'm actually not sure if you can find stable homogeneous societies outside of tiny, isolated ones. They seem fairly prone to breaking up into multiple units and absorbing elements of their neighbors.
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Emden posted:I never said I agreed with any of it. Just clarifying. Only a socialist world order would be capable of preventing cultures clashing by eliminating sources of potential strife like competition over resources, wars between imperialist powers and economic migration. Any Fascist attempt to resolve cultures clashing would be co-opted by national capitalists into an attempt at imperialism and would never resolve the underlying issues of scarcity.
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Enjoy posted:Only a socialist world order would be capable of preventing cultures clashing by eliminating sources of potential strife like competition over resources, wars between imperialist powers and economic migration. Any Fascist attempt to resolve cultures clashing would be co-opted by national capitalists into an attempt at imperialism and would never resolve the underlying issues of scarcity. But that's a good thing according to fascism. His complaints about how he'll never get an utopian future are exactly because in his dream world said conflicts are promoted. I loving love Emden, he's like a mal-functioning robot. Most of the fash i know of just likes it because it's a powerful way of saying you hate blacks arabs jews gays and leftists. Emden actually thinks about fascism! Effectronica posted:Japan isn't linguistically homogeneous, since there are four different "native" languages spoken on the main islands besides Ainu and Ryukyuan. It also isn't ethnically homogeneous, since you have the Ryukyuans, Ainu, Burakumin etc. even without getting into immigrant populations. Culturally, there are all sorts of differences that were even broader before the Meiji attempted to enforce homogeneity on the populace. And this is all recent history, and without getting into any of the issues Japanese society has arguably produced from this desire for homogeneity.
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Effectronica posted:Japan isn't linguistically homogeneous, since there are four different "native" languages spoken on the main islands besides Ainu and Ryukyuan. It also isn't ethnically homogeneous, since you have the Ryukyuans, Ainu, Burakumin etc. even without getting into immigrant populations. Culturally, there are all sorts of differences that were even broader before the Meiji attempted to enforce homogeneity on the populace. And this is all recent history, and without getting into any of the issues Japanese society has arguably produced from this desire for homogeneity. Culture homogeneity isn't an absolute Yes/No thing, it works like a gradiant (and thus pure homogeneity is impossible to achieve). Because as already said, each area is influenced by other areas that are close from a geographical, economical, or societal point of view. Keeping Japan as exemple, you can certainly find plenty of differences between someone from Tokyo and someone from Okinawa. But if you add a Finnish or a South African to the comparison, suddenly the two japaneses are much more similar, because the cultural exchange between two regions of Japan is way stronger than between far away countries. The bigger the cultural difference is, the harder it'll be for a immigrant to integrate. I can't tell for other countries, but I can say they didn't take this into account when designing my country's immigration policy, so it's not exactly a suprpise poo poo is rising as a consequence.
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This thread has convinced me that race and culture-mixing don't work. Please exterminate the abominations that are Anglo-Saxons and the English language immediately.
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Cake (the band) posted this article on their Facebook page. I was surprised because it's not in English. Any Turkish-speaking goons want to give this a go? enraged_camel, I know you know the language. http://www.radikal.com.tr/turkiye/sarisuluk_davasinda_mahkeme_davadan_cekildi-1164083
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Y-Hat posted:Cake (the band) posted this article on their Facebook page. I was surprised because it's not in English. Any Turkish-speaking goons want to give this a go? enraged_camel, I know you know the language. I think its about some dude who got shot by cops, and the court dropping the case because they didnt think he (the cop?) could get a fair trial? edit: English language story about it http://www.bianet.org/english/human-rights/151753-court-panel-withdraws-from-ethem-sarisuluk-case duck monster fucked around with this message at 09:46 on Dec 4, 2013 |
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Isn't Japan's population plummeting right now? Not really a good example.
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duck monster posted:I think its about some dude who got shot by cops, and the court dropping the case because they didnt think he (the cop?) could get a fair trial? Basically, yes. Radikal also mentions the judge and the prosecutor was sleeping during the proceedings. The shooting of Sarisülük was captured by several cameras and it's pretty obvious the cop was not acting in self defense.
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In the Netherlands our newest fascists, called Identitair Verzet, put up banners on two bridges called Mandela bridge, after Nelson Mandela. The banners said 'Murderers bridge'. It seems they were even up for several minutes before being removed by angry citizens. Now that's some quality fascisting, guys.
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rudatron posted:Are you morons seriously debating with emden, the literal nazi? Really? You didn't get the memo? I mean his custom title is right there, and it's not an exaggeration. No bashing the fash in the bashing the fash room. As for Japan, wasn't it basically a Korean colony at some really early point in written history?
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ekuNNN posted:In the Netherlands our newest fascists, called Identitair Verzet, put up banners on two bridges called Mandela bridge, after Nelson Mandela. The banners said 'Murderers bridge'. It seems they were even up for several minutes before being removed by angry citizens. The Identitäre bewegung has finally reached the Netherlands then? I remember being involved in a chat with McCaine about them a year or so ago. Aside from France and Austria, they were relatively unknown in Europe. A scary prospect it is to see them pop up like this, because as far as mobilizing the far-right goes, these people could be one of the few groups that would be relatively successful at executing its agenda. Comrades over at the KPÖ Wien and Graz know all about these idiots.
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I remember running into the Paris Identitaires at one point while I was living there. They seemed like a bunch of complete incompetents, though. From what I understand they're actually fairly organised in Southern France, but in Paris they got run off right quick by what I think were anarchists. Can't remember what they were doing, though - I think it was some 'anticommunist' rally or something. Basically what I'm saying is that Paris is a great city, if you can stomach the massive poverty that is very visible everywhere.
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SSJ2 Goku Wilders posted:The Identitäre bewegung has finally reached the Netherlands then? Yeah, the first time I heard of them was in the beginning of the year when they wanted to protest the vluchtkerk (a squatted church for asylum seekers who have been refused residence). They called it off when antifa planned a counter-demonstration though.
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