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GentlemanofLeisure
Aug 27, 2008

General Wiggles posted:


From the BMW tumblr.
Chris Harris recently drove one of those, its on /Drive on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLTxwpsj3Y4

e: top of page, have an e30 one.

GentlemanofLeisure fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Dec 7, 2013

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IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





General Wiggles posted:


From the BMW tumblr.

Proof that tumblr is still only useful for porn.

travisray2004
Dec 2, 2004
SuprMan

leica posted:

It's hilarious to want to drive a car without dying in a fire?


He meant that they're not bought to be driven but showcased.

Binge
Feb 23, 2001

GentlemanofLeisure posted:

Chris Harris recently drove one of those, its on /Drive on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLTxwpsj3Y4

e: top of page, have an e30 one.


The sounds that car makes. Clearly I have chosen the wrong path in life. I want to drive that thing to work, through rush hour and everything.

Boomerjinks
Jan 31, 2007

DINO DAMAGE

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


I have no idea where these came from, I found them while browsing randomly on Imgur.



BurgerQuest
Mar 17, 2009

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

anonumos posted:

The best F1:


Or the worst? You decide.

Best. V8 Supercars today too.

BurgerQuest fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Dec 8, 2013

Insanely Sikh
Aug 26, 2009

Winner, SA's Sikh Of the Year, 2013

Pretty mesmering this gif

Preoptopus
Aug 25, 2008

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KozmoNaut posted:

I have no idea where these came from, I found them while browsing randomly on Imgur.

\

Can it do this tho?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFs9mjPauus

Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

This turned out in front of me coming home from the grocery store:



That V10 does sound glorious. They were really winding it out, even in traffic, but when they first dropped the hammer turning at that light... :swoon:

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.

Boomerjinks
Jan 31, 2007

DINO DAMAGE
Shhhhiiiiiii

dr cum patrol esq
Sep 3, 2003

A C A B

:350:

anonumos posted:

The best F1:


Or the worst? You decide.

The purple tinge of this years car is nice.


Love the Redbull DTM cars

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.
Not too many of these left on the road:

Bob NewSCART
Feb 1, 2012

Outstanding afternoon. "I've often said there's nothing better for the inside of a man than the outside of a horse."

Boomerjinks posted:

Shhhhiiiiiii


Neo as a bird

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
There are not enough 60* V8s in the world.



quote:

Volvo 2014 V8 Supercar engine makes its debut at Sydney 500

• Volvo Polestar Racing debuts its first ever V8 Supercar engine
• Race engine developed by Polestar with support from the same Volvo engineering team behind
upcoming Drive-E engines
• Unique engine promises distinctive sound

Volvo has unveiled the engine that will power its two Volvo Polestar Racing S60s in the 2014 V8 Supercars Championship.

Volvo Car Australia Managing Director Matt Braid lifted the covers on the race engine, with Volvo Car Group Motorsport Technical Director Martin Persson and Commercial Director Alexander Murdzevski Schedvin in attendance.

"As the first luxury car manufacturer to field a factory team in the V8 Supercar Championship, we're delighted to share this milestone moment with you and reveal our race engine for the 2014 V8 Supercar season," said Matt Braid, Managing Director of Volvo Cars Australia.

"The race team at Polestar have worked hand-in-hand with the engineering team at Volvo Cars to design, build and develop a race engine in Gothenburg, Sweden, to compete in Australia's premier motor racing category."

The global resources of the Volvo Car Group and Polestar, Volvo's performance and motorsport partner since 1996, are being fully utilised to facilitate the development of the Volvo Polestar Racing V8 Supercars in readiness for the 2014 season.

The Volvo B8444S 4.4-litre production V8 has been modified and built specifically for racing in the V8 Supercar Championship by Polestar – supported by the same people in Volvo Car Group who are behind the innovative four-cylinder Drive-E road car engines, which debut in Australia next year.

Thanks to its compact size and narrow 60 degree vee configuration, the B8444S is a truly unique engine on today's racing grid. With this in mind, motorsport fans can expect to instantly recognise the Volvo Polestar Racing S60s in 2014 thanks to the engine's distinctive soundtrack.

Christian Dahl, Managing Director of Polestar, said of the race engine: "We have completed a number of high-rev simulations and long-distance runs and we're very happy with the figures and outcomes we've achieved. The next step is to fit the engine to the race car and continue the pre-season development timetable."

Development of the race engine began back in May 2013. The first block was completed in late October and had its first run on the dyno in mid-November.

"So far, everything is on track with the race engine," said Volvo Car Group Motorsport Technical Director Martin Persson.

"On paper, this race engine and the new Drive-E engines are quite different. But from an engineering perspective it is a very similar process, and that is to push your imagination and creativity to the limit within a specific set of targets.

"For instance, whether you are aiming for leading efficiency or the most powerful race engine ever to be heard in the Australian V8 Supercars Championship, you will strive to reduce weight, friction, heat and to maximise power."

Further information about Volvo Polestar Racing will be released in due course.

Technical information

Block: Modified Volvo B8444S, 60 degree aluminium cylinder block
Heads: Modified Volvo B8444S, aluminium
Bore x Stroke: 95.5 x 87.1
Capacity: 4989cc
Compression Ratio: 10:1
Max revs: 7500rpm
Induction: Naturally aspirated, eight throttle bodies
Fuel: E85
Liners: Cast in steel liners
Valve Train: Double overhead camshafts, direct acting tappets, chain drive
Ignition: Volvo B8444S coil on plug
Injection: Port injection, one injector per cylinder, injection pressure: 5.5 bar

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Throatwarbler posted:

There are not enough 60* V8s in the world.



I need that in a Volvo 245.

Boaz MacPhereson
Jul 11, 2006

Day 12045 Ht10hands 180lbs
No Name
No lumps No Bumps Full life Clean
Two good eyes No Busted Limbs
Piss OK Genitals intact
Multiple scars Heals fast
O NEGATIVE HI OCTANE
UNIVERSAL DONOR
Lone Road Warrior Rundown
on the Powder Lakes V8
No guzzoline No supplies
ISOLATE PSYCHOTIC
Keep muzzled...

IOwnCalculus posted:

I need that in a Volvo 245.

I was just thinking Amazon.

Patrocclesiastes
Apr 30, 2009

That rally heaven video posted a few pages back reminds me of myself when I got to meet with Ari Vatanen and learning that my grandpa is actually pals with Hannu Mikkola and Timo Mäkinen.



And heres a couple more of rally photos Ive taken http://imgur.com/a/TPfFD, I have a huge bunch of these, should I make imgur albums for these or hotlink them to the thread?

Mighty Horse
Jul 24, 2007

Speed, Class, Bankruptcy.
Best Interior Ever?



In this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monteverdi_Hai_450

I'd totally drive around with the engine cover off.

Boaz MacPhereson
Jul 11, 2006

Day 12045 Ht10hands 180lbs
No Name
No lumps No Bumps Full life Clean
Two good eyes No Busted Limbs
Piss OK Genitals intact
Multiple scars Heals fast
O NEGATIVE HI OCTANE
UNIVERSAL DONOR
Lone Road Warrior Rundown
on the Powder Lakes V8
No guzzoline No supplies
ISOLATE PSYCHOTIC
Keep muzzled...

Mighty Horse posted:

Best Interior Ever?



In this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monteverdi_Hai_450

I'd totally drive around with the engine cover off.

Where every attempted conversation quickly dies with a series of "WHAT?!"s.

Glorious

Artemis J Brassnuts
Jan 2, 2009
I regret😢 to inform📢 I am the most sexually🍆 vanilla 🍦straight 📏 dude😰 on the planet🌎
This is why you should never claim we've hit peak AI - it can always get more insane.

Bajaha
Apr 1, 2011

BajaHAHAHA.



It honestly looks like one of the most accessible engine "bays", must be fun to work on and comfy too. Plus you really wouldn't need to worry about heat in the winter, who needs a stupid heater core anyway?

rscott
Dec 10, 2009

Bajaha posted:

It honestly looks like one of the most accessible engine "bays", must be fun to work on and comfy too. Plus you really wouldn't need to worry about heat in the winter, who needs a stupid heater core anyway?

I noticed the lack of vents in the dash and drew the same conclusion

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Throatwarbler posted:

There are not enough 60* V8s in the world.



Does anyone know how they're establishing horsepower parity between the DOHC 32V Nissan, merc and Volvo engines and the pushrod 16V ford and holden engines?

rscott
Dec 10, 2009
There's no replacement for displacement!

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

They're all 5.0L...?

DoLittle
Jul 26, 2006
Don't know about V8 supercars but usually it is achieved with intake restrictors. Almost surefire (not including TTE) way to limit a car to a desired number of horsepower.

Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

Slavvy posted:

They're all 5.0L...?

Yes but for a given bore and stroke, it's a lot harder to get pushrod motors to rev higher (and make more power) compared to OHC; that big flexible rod wants to bend when the forces get high enough, and just using a thicker, stiffer one increases the valvetrain mass the engine has to move. It takes some serious work to even it up. I don't have time to look right now, but look at the development costs for NASCAR engines, which are all pushrod.

Das Volk
Nov 19, 2002

by Cyrano4747

rscott posted:

There's no replacement for displacement!

Except when you turn the engine faster and have ITBs trumpeting glorious induction sound :v:

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Fucknag posted:

Yes but for a given bore and stroke, it's a lot harder to get pushrod motors to rev higher (and make more power) compared to OHC; that big flexible rod wants to bend when the forces get high enough, and just using a thicker, stiffer one increases the valvetrain mass the engine has to move. It takes some serious work to even it up. I don't have time to look right now, but look at the development costs for NASCAR engines, which are all pushrod.

I know all that, I was asking in the sense of how do they make the engines all make the same power. V8SC is practically a one-make race series, they all have a control chassis and so on so they must have some measure In place.

The DOHC Nissan and euro engines would theoretically make way more power than the pushrod holden/ford mills, so they must have some manner of restriction.

DoLittle posted:

Don't know about V8 supercars but usually it is achieved with intake restrictors. Almost surefire (not including TTE) way to limit a car to a desired number of horsepower.

Doing this would be questionable, I think, because there would be endless arguments about how much restriction is too much. I'd be interested to know either way.

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!



This guy's pretty good with photoshop. I like a lot of the other stuff in his collection.


Mighty Horse posted:

Best Interior Ever?



In this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monteverdi_Hai_450

I'd totally drive around with the engine cover off.

Good Lord - a mid-mounted 426 Hemi? Wow.

wallaka
Jun 8, 2010

Least it wasn't a fucking red shell

Darchangel posted:

This guy's pretty good with photoshop. I like a lot of the other stuff in his collection.


Good Lord - a mid-mounted 426 Hemi? Wow.

2749 pounds, 725+ of that is the engine. Conserving that polar inertia.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

Slavvy posted:

I know all that, I was asking in the sense of how do they make the engines all make the same power. V8SC is practically a one-make race series, they all have a control chassis and so on so they must have some measure In place.

The DOHC Nissan and euro engines would theoretically make way more power than the pushrod holden/ford mills, so they must have some manner of restriction.


Doing this would be questionable, I think, because there would be endless arguments about how much restriction is too much. I'd be interested to know either way.

I think there may be some ECU based restrictions or a hard rev limit. Actually yes, now I recall, there is a hard rev limit no motor is allowed to go over - IIRC 7500rpm. All the motors can make waaaaaay more without restriction than the 630-650 that they do now and all of them are designed to rev a lot harder so this I believe gives you a pretty natural equaliser - you are looking for a fat torque curve rather than have any real concern for peak hp. I think the quad cam motors are struggling to match the OHV engines because of that rev limit, it cuts off their natural advantage.


It also makes the engines quite reliable as they just simply arent working to the levels they can do.

Fuller9x
Feb 15, 2005

Gimme Milk

Slavvy posted:

I know all that, I was asking in the sense of how do they make the engines all make the same power. V8SC is practically a one-make race series, they all have a control chassis and so on so they must have some measure In place.

The DOHC Nissan and euro engines would theoretically make way more power than the pushrod holden/ford mills, so they must have some manner of restriction.



Doing this would be questionable, I think, because there would be endless arguments about how much restriction is too much. I'd be interested to know either way.


^^What CT said.
Compression ratio's are capped at 10:1 as well as rev limited to 7500 rpm to match the pushrod engines. All teams also run Motec ECU's with a common code which allow the officals to "snoop" on what the teams are doing. Erebus had issues in the beginning of the year with their drive by wire system and had to roll back to the more conventional 8 butterfly setup to get a more linear delivery of power.

Fuller9x fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Dec 10, 2013

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Aren't V8's typically 90 degrees because they balance naturally at that angle?

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


There are two "angles" with V engines. The bank angle and the degrees of rotation between firing events. Usually a 90-degree V8 means that it fires every 90 degrees of crank rotation. That's most US-style V8s. Ferraris,other exotics, and a lot of racing V8s are 180-degree engines. The two sound completely different, both good, in my opinion. Bank angle is a design choice - I'm not sure of what the trade-offs are beyond packaging, but there likely is some advantage to the 90-degree bank angle, given how many engines use it. Or how many I seem to recall use it, anyway.

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!
Yes they are typically 90 degrees. The Volvo V8 is 60 degrees because, though significantly changed, it's based on a Ford V6.

Darchangel posted:

Bank angle is a design choice - I'm not sure of what the trade-offs are beyond packaging, but there likely is some advantage to the 90-degree bank angle, given how many engines use it. Or how many I seem to recall use it, anyway.

Angle almost always refers to bank angle when people talk about engines in this kind of context. The other angle you mentioned is usually referred to as either a cross plane crank (90 degrees) or a flat plane crank (180).

Different engine configurations have different angles they "like" better. V8s like 90, V6s and V12 like 60 (though Ferrari V12s are 65) and I think V10s are most naturally balanced at 72 degrees.

edit: I'd bet you see 90 a lot because, especially in America, they base a lot of stuff off of V8s. GMs 3.8 and 4.3 V6s, the Dodge and Ford V10s among others are all 90 degrees because they're just V8s that either lost or gained a pair of cylinders.

Q_res fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Dec 10, 2013

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Darchangel posted:

Usually a 90-degree V8 means that it fires every 90 degrees of crank rotation. That's most US-style V8s. Ferraris,other exotics, and a lot of racing V8s are 180-degree engines. The two sound completely different, both good, in my opinion.

You're describing cross plane:



versus flat plane:

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Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Weren't the original V6es 90degree engines but they had a loping idle because an uneven number of cylinders were firing in each ignition cycle so they switched to 60?

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