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OtherworldlyInvader posted:I just learned Star Trek Attack Wing exists, and those miniatures are giving me serious nostalgia for the Trek Micro-machines ships. I'll probably never buy them but I'm curious how the miniatures compare, anybody seen them?  As if spending $40 a month on these guys wasn't bad enough.Farmer Crack-rear end posted:And why? Because, at least to the minds of the 24th century Federation, "for five hundred years every ship that has borne the name of the Enterprise has become a legend."
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Trent posted:Just posting to say that I'm watching Field of Fire and it's really weird seeing Mitt Romney trying to get Ezri to stab a dude in the face. I got confused for a moment because I instantly thought of this:  DemeaninDemon posted:Enterprise's problem is they canceled it right when it got its footing. Like canceling DS9 when The Sisko gets the goatee. Ugh. Yesterday I heard a guy on a podcast say, "The only reason Enterprise got cancelled was because Season 4 sucked." Alchenar posted:The optimism of Star Trek just doesn't fit in a world in which the primary viewers have had one decade shaped by the war on terror Deep Space Nine did it.  Rutibex posted:They need to do a prequel to Enterprise where humanity is going out into the solar system and tackling the problems of creating a united planet/ending poverty/ending capitalism Now that is a concept I can get behind. Apologies for the multiple quotes. I'm in the worst time zone for this thread.
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Otisburg posted:The USS Enterprise seldom acts as the "flagship" of anything, and indeed spends the overwhelming majority of the time operating on its own very far from any type of other Federation vessels doing just... random poo poo. What is it supposed to mean when they say it's "the Flagship of the Federation?" I think they mean it in the way the Culture might if they only had one GSV.
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DrSunshine posted:And that's not all, in fact! We have documented statistics -- the U.N. and World Bank -- that show that across the world we're seeing fewer children per woman, increased literacy, higher GDP per capita, and longer life spans. The average person in Vietnam today has a life expectancy equal to that of someone in the USA in the 80s. The average number of children per woman in Bangladesh in 1960 was 7, with a life expectancy of only 47, now it is 2.2 children per woman with a life expectancy of 70. By almost every measure of human development, almost every country except those that are truly destitute and in social collapse, human lives have improved tremendously since the mid 20th century. Excellent username/post combo  Also, I blame sensationalist yellow journalism run amok and the political benefits it reaps for most of our western post-Kennedy cynicism. McSpanky fucked around with this message at 09:06 on Dec 10, 2013 |
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While global climate change is inevitable at this point, we won't have to worry about a runaway increase in temperatures- we'll run out of cheap energy far before that, and with it, the notion of permanent economical growth.
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Knormal posted:God dammit, now I just learned Star Trek: Attack Wing exist. Thanks a lot jerk, now I have more tiny ships to buy Great, now I looked up NX-01 models and realized there's a model of the Season 5 NX-01 Refit, only its like half the size and less detailed than their other NX-01 model. Now I'm stuck trying to figure out how I could modify the bigger model into a Season 5 Refit.
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Is it just me, or do they always colour the NX-01 more like the Columbia than the Enterprise on models.
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Man.. on the 'everything is hosed' bullshit. Sorry, but most of you are Americans. We've thought your poo poo is hosed for a long time.. you don't have any healthcare for crying out loud.. the dollar and capitalism are some of your most important values.. obesity and ignorance reigns supreme. We didn't even have a GFC in Austraila.. we dodged it completely because everyone doesn't have ridiculously credit card debit and the idea of going into massive, high interest debt to get yourself a degree is laughable here. Every country has it's issues, if you travel a little more widely and get some perspective outside your home country you'll see this. I'm in Italy now and despite politics that are seriously cartoonish (the American politics in comparison are a godsend) and certain cultural aspects, they've got other poo poo completely squared away. Noone is fat here, noone.. I've been looking for the last few months as I've noticed the lack of it and I can't find fat people. It's cultural, the quality of what they eat and you just get up and get off your rear end. Australia despite not having lots of the US bullshit around money ruining people's lives has big problems with being such a isolated backwater and hence breeding ideas of insularity, racism and ignorance. I watch Colbert fairly regularly and even just that gives me hope for America.. there is a guy openly making GBS threads on the conservative agenda and calling them out and he is loved and super-popular. Obama is trying to do something with your ridiculous lack of healthcare bullshit. There is hope, the world is still an amazing place and perhaps you need to just get your head out of your rear end long enough to see it. Just as said before, the world in previous decades was a seriously lovely place to be.. how would Colbert go in the 60s? We need Trek optimism if nothing else but to insert an idea, even subconsciously, that we could be all working toward something better. It's still my main draw card to Trek and although I'm enjoying DS9s depth, if I want to feel better and pull my head out of the mud for a while I know I can go to certain TOS and TNG and it put a smile on my face.
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Yeah the Enterprise was always a bit bronze/warm grey while the Columbia was more silver/cool grey, but the modelers seem to always prefer the a cooler grey. Also I'm not a big fan of metallic paints on models, it usually looks kind of tacky. A lot of people also seem to go completely overboard with aztecing. It should be a subtle variation in coloring to give it a little texture, not make it look like an insane checker board.  Edit: Speaking of nerding out on the NX-01, I stumbled across this site and holy moly. 
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Dec 10, 2013 10:04
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Isn't Australia being propped up by unsustainable mineral resources boom and suffering from a massive housing bubble?
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A bubble is a bubble once it's burst. Contributing factors to housing bubbles are things like other financial pressures on the impoverished such as credit card debt, which Australians generally don't have. Supply is an issue in Australian housing, meaning as much as there is speculation about it being a bubble there is also as much speculation about it being simply the cost of housing and wanting to live in idyllic coastal cities. As all Australians can go to University for nothing, receiving an interest free loan from the Government to pay for it which they pay back when they're earning.. combined with if they get really sick or hurt themselves there is a base level of care for all (you can have private health and it's encouraged with subsidies, but if you can't afford it we don't let you die).. means you'll find Australians in America's top Universities, NASA, engineering firms like Boeing and leading investment firms like Blackstone. That's the long term plan for prosperity - a high tech, highly educated society picking the cream of the world's work and bringing that cream back to Aus. But Australia has other huge problems. Huge. We've all got our problems. Trek (TOS and TNG Trek) represents a time where we all put our best foot forward and we eat the Italian food while going to an Australian University and being cared for by an Australian hospital while developing and using US computing and science brilliance to achieve superior outcomes. We're all in it together and more than the sum of our parts.. and that message needs to be told now, as much as ever.
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Also the fact that it's one of more tightly controlled and regulated financial/banking sectors in the western world tends to help it ride out the busts when they come. Woo, government!
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You could never do it in the US, the interest free loan for all to go to Uni. The healthcare is going to fall on it's face. It's all socialism which is seen as communism, which there is literally nothing worse than for still huge parts of the American psyche. Trek is socialism, completely. In Australia we decided health and education isn't something that benefits being in the open market, or it does - but that can't be the overriding beat of the drum. Some things are suited to unbridled capitalism, other things give intangible benefits to society that aren't reflected on a balance sheet. We need to fund those intentional financial losers because of the other things they provide. edit: just to make the point about Australia's bullshit.. I see America as an example of a modern society where racism is totally not cool. The SA forums are a good example.. but from digesting enough American culture I know it's like that all over the place. You just can't make stupid racist jokes without someone picking you up on it, the US is such a melting pot of cultures that you just don't know if you say something disgusting about a certain race there isn't a member of that race or someone that loves them in earshot. Australia is decades behind the US in this.. something I see as a hallmark of a really modern, futuristic society. Aussies are slowly getting the message (just as smoking is no longer cool) but casual racism is still something that makes Australia suck. Tony Montana fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Dec 10, 2013 |
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The UK was similar to Australia in that regard but they're trying to force more privatisation into healthcare and education which is frankly very worrying.Gammatron 64 posted:You know... that makes me think you might actually be able to do a semi-serialized Star Trek. Well, in fact, it's already been done, it's called DS9. DS9 is episodic, but has story arcs and character relationships that develop over time. You could say that DS9 got away with that as it was rooted in one place, but why not consider the Enterprise to be a place as well, albeit a mobile one? Person of Interest uses a similar format, a lot of it is cases of the week which you can pick up and watch at any time. Along with that there are flashbacks and recurring villains that make short appearances every few episodes to build the mythology and ongoing story arcs which then get a few episodes focused on them each season for some payoff. Edit: now that I think on it Sleepy Hollow and Supernatural use a similar format of monster of the week cases sprinkled with references to a season long arc, then there are all the procedurals like CSI, NCIS and Law and Order . So while there is a continuing push towards serialised TV episodic is very much alive and well. Vengeance of Pandas fucked around with this message at 11:51 on Dec 10, 2013 |
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Vengeance of Pandas posted:The UK was similar to Australia in that regard but they're trying to force more privatisation into healthcare and education which is frankly very worrying. Oh, we are too. For instance every year over 32 you sign up for private health insurance, you get a 2% loading extra, you pay more than everyone else, for every year over 32 you wait.. for the rest of your life. I'm 33 and in Europe, no Aussie health insurer will cover me over here.. but I need to sign up now for Aussie health insurance.. pay the premiums but I'm unable to claim so I'll need Euro insurance too, just because the Govt wants to go more private with healthcare. I'm afraid we don't just watch Trek and Hollywood movies - the US influences us in other ways too. That said, I like my iPhone and I work in computing.. my last job was with HP and my next hopefully with IBM. Goddamn Yanks.. so good and so bad at the same time 
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Tony Montana posted:We need Trek optimism if nothing else but to insert an idea, even subconsciously, that we could be all working toward something better. It's still my main draw card to Trek and although I'm enjoying DS9s depth, if I want to feel better and pull my head out of the mud for a while I know I can go to certain TOS and TNG and it put a smile on my face. This is the real reason we can't have the kind of Trek we remember. The notion that society can be configured in a way that isn't liberal capitalism (and be better for it) is incredibly politically contentious right now. Fox news would demonize it has chinese communist terrorist propaganda; if you could even get a wealthy person to back such a project in the first place. Tony Montana posted:Oh, we are too. For instance every year over 32 you sign up for private health insurance, you get a 2% loading extra, you pay more than everyone else, for every year over 32 you wait.. for the rest of your life. I'm 33 and in Europe, no Aussie health insurer will cover me over here.. but I need to sign up now for Aussie health insurance.. pay the premiums but I'm unable to claim so I'll need Euro insurance too, just because the Govt wants to go more private with healthcare. Lucky for us in Canada they have left the healthcare public. The government has wanted to put private healthcare into effect for a while but the public cries bloody murder when they do. As it is now it's a truly socialist system, rich and poor you all get the same system healthcare 
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Knormal posted:"Except for that ring one, don't know what we were thinking there. Also let's not talk about that first warp-5 one, we'll leave that off the walls." In the past 400 years there have been nearly 30 HMS or USS ships named Enterprise between the British and the US, can you recount them all?
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MikeJF posted:In the past 400 years there have been nearly 30 HMS or USS ships named Enterprise between the British and the US, can you recount them all? The Enterprise that was a coal hauler or something is my favourite would have liked to serve on that magnificent ship.
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MadScientistWorking posted:Its kind of ironic that an Austraila is talking about ignorance and healthcare considering that even with universal healthcare parts of your country dipped down into third world levels of basic health care which not even the United States managed to do. As I said in another thread universal healthcare doesn't mean poo poo for anything if no one is going to use it which in the case of Australia had to have laws passed to make sure people do. Someone's never been to Appalachia or the hinterlands of Kentucky and Mississippi.
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Otisburg posted:Reese uses the kill-trophies he took off of dead Jem'Hadar soldiers and made into a necklace to do peaceful science for the benefit of all peoples. We put a minimum security prison guard under fire behind enemy lines for five months (after promising it would be only three) with no apparent hope of rescue or reinforcement, fighting against a superior foe in a dirty cave and he went a bit feral. Federation is Nazis QED Seriously the guy didn't even take their fingers or forehead spikes or make a necklace of dicks or anything, it was a piece of (very important) equipment, and one that specifically reminded them of why the fight was so important. People were cracking up, and that one dude was either trying to be a rock for them or cracking up a bit in his own way. That episode proved, if anything, that starfleet officers are not soldiers in a super-future space military.
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Sprat Sandwich posted:The Enterprise that was a coal hauler or something is my favourite would have liked to serve on that magnificent ship. Captain Travis Mayweather commanding.
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Great_Gerbil posted:Someone's never been to Appalachia or the hinterlands of Kentucky and Mississippi. Alchenar posted:The optimism of Star Trek just doesn't fit in a world in which the primary viewers have had one decade shaped by the war on terror and another by the global financial crisis. MadScientistWorking fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Dec 10, 2013 |
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Hip-Hoptimus Rhyme posted:for the record, I don't think Doctor Who stands up to Star Trek. British sci-fi is very strange to me. Gau posted:Classic Who is pretty much universally lovely, it has all the charm of a bad episode of Voyager and sub-Original Series production values. There are only a few notable exceptions and even those look like something somebody made for a university film class. Imagine if TOS had been allowed to go on in the style of Season 3 until the mid-eighties, replacing the captain and crew of the Enterprise every five years or so as Gene went progressively more and more crazy and began to beg for death as opposed to being forced to produce this stupid loving series any more. That's Classic Who. Look at all these terrible and wrong opinions. Who's production values were lower, but you sort of have to willfully forget about the beginnings of TNG (seriously, it's deeply cringeworthy), half of TOS, all of Voyager and yes, even portions of DS9 to think that huge portions of Star Trek aren't just as embarrassing to watch. Star Trek is far more American, I'll give it that, as is reflected frequently in its totally-not-a-military utopian space quest. Doctor Who is a different flavor of show and tends, more often, to reflect dystopias as based upon the fictional trends of its time in the UK, which is why a lot of the 80s stuff feels awkward now if you don't think of it specifically within the context of Margaret Thatcher. It's got a fairly similar sentiment that runs throughout its 50 years and some of its longevity can no doubt be attributed to the fact that it balances a monster of the week story with a fairly flexible but long continuity while still technically being the story of one man. Having watched all of Doctor Who and then all of Star Trek (which I am in the middle of), they both have their strengths and weaknesses and which you like is entirely a matter of personal preference. Anyway, season 6 of DS9 starts off really strong. I'm really looking forward to watching the Dominion War proper.
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Bicyclops posted:Look at all these terrible and wrong opinions. Who's production values were lower, but you sort of have to willfully forget about the beginnings of TNG (seriously, it's deeply cringeworthy), half of TOS, all of Voyager and yes, even portions of DS9 to think that huge portions of Star Trek aren't just as embarrassing to watch. MadScientistWorking fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Dec 10, 2013 |
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Tony Montana posted:As all Australians can go to University for nothing I had no idea Australian had vast fields of money trees.
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MadScientistWorking posted:The problem with your argument is that even at its worst I don't think Star Trek even comes close to the baseline horrible nature of Doctor Who. Hell even the new series gets pretty dam cringe worthy in ways that Trek never did up until Enterprise. Nothing is good in this world.
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Bicyclops posted:Look at all these terrible and wrong opinions. Who's production values were lower, but you sort of have to willfully forget about the beginnings of TNG (seriously, it's deeply cringeworthy), half of TOS, all of Voyager and yes, even portions of DS9 to think that huge portions of Star Trek aren't just as embarrassing to watch. I think that was kinda my point. I don't know if DS9 gets as absolutely cringeworthy as Doctor Who, but TOS definitely did and early TNG mirrored the awfulness of eighties Who. Doctor Who spent something like thirty years being hacked together out of nothing, and it shows. Maybe Doctor Who made more sense in Britain in the time period, but I've never been British and I was seven when Thatcher left office. Over in the Doctor Who thread, they're discussing how much the last Classic serial kinda blows right now. MadScientistWorking posted:The problem with your argument is that even at its worst I don't think Star Trek even comes close to the baseline horrible nature of Doctor Who. Hell even the new series gets pretty dam cringe worthy in ways that Trek never did up until Enterprise like the soundtrack. That might be because new Who actually drastically improved in some regards which makes going back to watching the first episode of the reboot really painful. Yeah, you're pretty much absolutely wrong here. I can't name a single Trek series that doesn't commit equal or worse sins than the revival series. Gau fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Dec 10, 2013 |
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Bicyclops posted:Having watched all of Doctor Who How? Isn't there like 100 missing episodes?
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The reason why Doctor Who is lovely is because they kept going after Patrick Troughton's departure.
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Rutibex posted:How? Isn't there like 100 missing episodes? All of the episodes have surviving audio and are "reconstructed" with production stills and narration.
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Gau posted:Yeah, you're pretty much absolutely wrong here. I can't name a single Trek series that doesn't commit equal or worse sins than the revival series. MadScientistWorking fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Dec 10, 2013 |
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Gau posted:All of the episodes have surviving audio and are "reconstructed" with production stills and narration. Hmm, that was the only reason I never bothered to watch the older Who, serial dramas suck when there's big chunks missing. I've seen a few of the 50's episodes; they have that cool 50's sci-fi way of doing things. Having visually impressive things just happen off screen; stuff that today they would feel the need to do in impressive CGI are just waved away in the dialog: "The galactic space fleet is engaging our forces!" *looking at a cardboard box painted silver*  I think I might have to watch the whole thing if there are reconstructions of all those old episodes.
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Every fandom equivalency argent is trumped by "Dr. Whooves."
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Otisburg posted:Every fandom equivalency argent is trumped by "Dr. Whooves." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqoSvLCSxng You made me do this. This is your fault. Your fault!
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Sash! posted:I had no idea Australian had vast fields of money trees. You know how in America kids go to public school? It's like that, but if you're over 18 too. Actually, wait, no, it's because Australians are all elite level athletes so they all get government sponsorships. I assume, anyway, based on watching the Olympics/Rugby/AFL/etc.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqoSvLCSxng gently caress you. gently caress this. gently caress everything.
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Apollodorus posted:You know how in America kids go to public school? It's like that, but if you're over 18 too. Why are we talking about this again, it's worse than watching Voyager
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Sorry, all I know about Australia comes from NRL, I imagine your island kingdom as a country of bogans who fight each other for our amusement. Like Tsunkatse.
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