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Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Apparently even though the series isnt doing so hot rating wise, the models are selling like gangbusters.

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Artum
Feb 13, 2012

DUN da dun dun da DUUUN
Soiled Meat
I'm baffled by how this series has made me hate everything at face value and then almost instantly won me over when I see it in action. Star build strike seemed dumb as gently caress when pics of it's 1/144 surfaced but after seeing it this episode its one of my favourite suits and I ACHE for it to be added to extreme vs in a couple of years.

Pimpmust
Oct 1, 2008

muike posted:

AMBAC does that and cuts down on fuel consumption, which doesn't really matter when you're a nuclear juggernaut

Actually I believe that UC suits at least use ordinary rocket propellant to fuel their boosters, the reactors are just for everything else (and giant beam guns).

SEED suits on the other hand don't seem to give a gently caress.

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn

Artum posted:

Star build strike seemed dumb as gently caress when pics of it's 1/144 surfaced but after seeing it this episode its one of my favourite suits

I feel the exact same way. Just goes to show how much animation can make a difference I guess.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Pimpmust posted:

Actually I believe that UC suits at least use ordinary rocket propellant to fuel their boosters, the reactors are just for everything else (and giant beam guns).

SEED suits on the other hand don't seem to give a gently caress.

Doms, at least, use thermonuclear thrusters in their hoverjets.

Dessel
Feb 21, 2011

Thinking that the methane clathrate honcho wants to discover plavsky secrets or something. I bet it's about energy generation or something. And team nemesis is supposed to somehow help them do it?
Also, holy poo poo, Kaiser was Finnish too?! For the record, his name makes no sense to be Finnish (Or Swedish - well, maybe just little more. He'd be from Mariehamn, capital of a Swedish-speaking autonomous island that's a part of Finland). Go evil corporate team Finland :toot: I'm betting the plavsky engineers aren't exactly saints either, though.

Dessel fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Dec 11, 2013

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Artum posted:

I'm baffled by how this series has made me hate everything at face value and then almost instantly won me over when I see it in action. Star build strike seemed dumb as gently caress when pics of it's 1/144 surfaced but after seeing it this episode its one of my favourite suits and I ACHE for it to be added to extreme vs in a couple of years.

It's an incredibly stupid show on its face, but it's so charmingly earnest and takes its completely ridiculous concept so straight-faced while still having fun that you can't help but love it. It reminds me a lot of what makes G Gundam so charming; we're not in that same level of awesome yet, but it feels similar.

Plus the fight scenes are basically pornography for mobile suit fans. They put more effort and imagination into making cool battles for this glorified toy commercial than they have into actual main line Gundam shows for ages.

SpikeMcclane
Sep 11, 2005

You want the story?
I'll spin it for you quick...

Dessel posted:

Thinking that the methane clathrate honcho wants to discover plavsky secrets or something. I bet it's about energy generation or something. And team nemesis is supposed to somehow help them do it?

Grand prize for the tournament is a Willy Wonka style factory tour, and Ramba Ral is Grandpa Joe. Bam, I think I just accidently wrote season 2.

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
Would SD Gundams be the Oompa Loompas?

Bimmi
Nov 8, 2009


someday
but not today

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Apparently even though the series isnt doing so hot rating wise, the models are selling like gangbusters.

That's enough for the show to be considered a success then, though its apparent failure to engage a new generation of Gundam fans has got to be causing some ulcers.

I still don't get why it's been such a dud with the kids; there doesn't seem to be anything in this show that audience wouldn't like.

TARDISman
Oct 28, 2011



BlitzBlast posted:

Would SD Gundams be the Oompa Loompas?

Sazaki gets locked on a channel that only shows Gundam AGE. Kirara would be thrown down the garbage chute by a small army of Acsquirrels.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Bimmi posted:

That's enough for the show to be considered a success then, though its apparent failure to engage a new generation of Gundam fans has got to be causing some ulcers.

I still don't get why it's been such a dud with the kids; there doesn't seem to be anything in this show that audience wouldn't like.

Because outside of the Gundam in-jokes and Gundam references it's honestly kind of generic. It isn't badly made or anything but kids have been watching these kinds of shows for ages and are coming off Danball Senki.

Build Fighters is fun and all but it isn't particularly new or engaging in any way unless you're already predisposed to like Gundam.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

ImpAtom posted:

Because outside of the Gundam in-jokes and Gundam references it's honestly kind of generic. It isn't badly made or anything but kids have been watching these kinds of shows for ages and are coming off Danball Senki.

Build Fighters is fun and all but it isn't particularly new or engaging in any way unless you're already predisposed to like Gundam.

Spot on. If it weren't for the obvious fanboyish love the creators are pouring into it and all the little nods and references you can pick up if you're already a huge Gundam nerd, this show would be pretty generic with nothing to really distinguish it from other kids' toy commercial cartoons.

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
Seriously, Build Fighters is avoiding some of the worst excesses of the genre but it is still very much your average shonen merchandise show. Kids have been watching that pretty much all their life, it's...

It's actually the equivalent of Gundam fans watching yet another UC retread. Huh.

Bimmi
Nov 8, 2009


someday
but not today
Is all that enough to actually keep kids from watching it though? Are there any signs that particular genre is played out, or is it just this show?

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS
But it's our retread.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Bimmi posted:

Is all that enough to actually keep kids from watching it though? Are there any signs that particular genre is played out, or is it just this show?

It won't actively repel them but the show doesn't have much to make it worth their time either It's a toy commercial for toys which already exist basically. A lot of the fun and appeal is seeing obscure stuff animated or recognizing the goofy injokes and fan love and none of that is designed to cater to people unfamiliar with Gundam, and without that stuff it loses a lot of its flavor.

Bimmi
Nov 8, 2009


someday
but not today
I know that when I was six, freshness and originality were pretty far down on the list of qualities I sought out in my personal entertainment, whereas exciting action, wish-fulfillment and comfortable familiarity ranked pretty high.

It just seems weird to me that GBF has completely failed to bring in a young audience of any size; but then, I have no idea what sort of competition it has.

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS
GBF actually stands for Gundam Beyblade Fighters and if you consider that these kinds of shows are dime a dozen then you can understand why.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Bimmi posted:

I know that when I was six, freshness and originality were pretty far down on the list of qualities I sought out in my personal entertainment, whereas exciting action, wish-fulfillment and comfortable familiarity ranked pretty high.

It just seems weird to me that GBF has completely failed to bring in a young audience of any size; but then, I have no idea what sort of competition it has.

The biggest competition is Danball Senki which is offering tiny toy robots fighting each other in tournament settings but is an established property kids are familiar with and have been watching for a while. It is literally the reason we got both Gundam AGE and BF, because they want that Danball money.

Paper Lion
Dec 14, 2009




I remember reading that the biggest competition to Build Fighters is the evening news because of its timeslot, so it's a mix of it not being remarkable enough to grab kids and parents saying "shut the gently caress up shotaro its time for the news"

aers
Feb 15, 2012

Paper Lion posted:

I remember reading that the biggest competition to Build Fighters is the evening news because of its timeslot, so it's a mix of it not being remarkable enough to grab kids and parents saying "shut the gently caress up shotaro its time for the news"

Lets find out!



Well that's just the news on every major Tokyo channel, welp.

Bimmi
Nov 8, 2009


someday
but not today
My thing as a tot was mostly Hanna-Barbera superhero stuff and I really didn't care that they were all basically the same (terrible) show; simply could not get enough of that poo poo.

GBF has lots of perfectly decent qualities apart from its trufan appeal, and while I wouldn't expect great ratings from a show that's basically playing me-too in an already crowded genre I'd still have expected something better than "nonexistent."

fake edit: hahah holee poo poo that timeslot, might as well slit your loving wrists.

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
Haha wow, I thought they picked that time slot because it was a good one for kids. Great going there Bandai. :allears:

aers
Feb 15, 2012

To be fair - TV Tokyo is a bit weird and regularly airs anime during evening timeslots where the other channels are airing the news or dramas instead. This isn't that unusual.

edit: To be a bit more clear, TV Tokyo has anime programming at 6 and 6:30 nearly every weekday. The only other Tokyo channels that air anime at that time do it on the weekends, and it's NTV & Fuji with huge long-running shows that get high ratings.

aers fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Dec 11, 2013

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

aers posted:

To be fair - TV Tokyo is a bit weird and regularly airs anime during evening timeslots where the other channels are airing the news or dramas instead. This isn't that unusual.

edit: To be a bit more clear, TV Tokyo has anime programming at 6 and 6:30 nearly every weekday. The only other Tokyo channels that air anime at that time do it on the weekends, and it's NTV & Fuji with huge long-running shows that get high ratings.

Anime aimed at who, though? Family-friendly shonen like GBF, or stuff that's got a slightly older target audience?

aers
Feb 15, 2012

Darth Walrus posted:

Anime aimed at who, though? Family-friendly shonen like GBF, or stuff that's got a slightly older target audience?

Its all kid's stuff. Naruto, Gaist Crusher, Aikatsu, etc.

Anything aimed at an audience older than kids airs 10 PM or later.

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI
Build Fighters seems to be like Transformers Animated or that He-man reboot in the west, where grown up nerds love them for all the nostalgia and references to the old school stuff, but the kids just look at the show and scratch their heads.

That said, I think it's safe to say that Build Fighters is really entertaining and is probably the best Gundam show since Turn A. I enjoy this more than Unicorn, even. Not that I don't like Unicorn, I do enjoy it, but this is more fun and feels more fresh to me, while Unicorn is pretty much the standard same old Gundam show I've seen a million times, just with high production values.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



I know a guy in his late twenties that absolutely detests Gundam and yet loves build fighters. Its a fun show, even for people that aren't attached to the IP.

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
The first box set has been announced.

As you might expect, there are two versions. Limited Edition has a booklet, some video shorts, staff commentary, and in case you were actually thinking of getting this a clear 1/100 MG Build Strike. It'll come out in March for 31,500 yen. For the more sane people, the regular edition will come out Christmas for 2940 yen.

If they were including the OST with the Limited Edition I might have actually bit the bullet and bought it, but thankfully they didn't.

SpikeMcclane
Sep 11, 2005

You want the story?
I'll spin it for you quick...

BlitzBlast posted:

The first box set has been announced.
As you might expect, there are two versions. Limited Edition has a booklet, some video shorts, staff commentary, and in case you were actually thinking of getting this a clear 1/100 MG Build Strike. It'll come out in March for 31,500 yen. For the more sane people, the regular edition will come out Christmas for 2940 yen.


2940 for the first dvd. 26250 for the regular edition of the first Bluray box, so it the limited edition doesn't seem too bad beyond media in japan costing nuts amounts compared to elsewhere.

Monaghan
Dec 29, 2006

BlitzBlast posted:

The first box set has been announced.

As you might expect, there are two versions. Limited Edition has a booklet, some video shorts, staff commentary, and in case you were actually thinking of getting this a clear 1/100 MG Build Strike. It'll come out in March for 31,500 yen. For the more sane people, the regular edition will come out Christmas for 2940 yen.

If they were including the OST with the Limited Edition I might have actually bit the bullet and bought it, but thankfully they didn't.

oh boy clear kits, the ugliest of all the special edition kits. I would love to hear the audio commentary on these episodes though, It seems like they'd be interesting.

" well in this scene we did this, because we thought it'd be fun"

toanoradian
May 31, 2011


The happiest waffligator
Question. The last Gundam show I remember watching is Seed (I've skimmed 00 on my brother's PC) and I have no knowledge on Gunpla beyond that they are figurines based on the Gundam franchise. Would I get lost watching this show?

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

toanoradian posted:

Question. The last Gundam show I remember watching is Seed (I've skimmed 00 on my brother's PC) and I have no knowledge on Gunpla beyond that they are figurines based on the Gundam franchise. Would I get lost watching this show?

You'd probably be fine. 00 only has Season 1 in the show and Gundam AGE is not appearing at all. The big units features are from Gundam SEED and Universal Century Gundam so you'll be able to recognize at least some of them and identify some of the injokes.

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn
You'll miss out on the in-jokes, but it's not like the plot relies on them. Build Fighters is a pretty easy to understand show.

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

BlitzBlast posted:

You'll miss out on the in-jokes, but it's not like the plot relies on them. Build Fighters is a pretty easy to understand show.

Yeah, basically this. Heck, I'd say someone could enjoy it even if they don't have any Gundam knowledge.

Spelling Mitsake
Oct 4, 2007

Clutch Cargo wishes they had Tractor.
I don't know. Without the Gundam in-jokes this is just another kid's show where they fight with toys that you should buy.

edit: It's not necessarily a bad thing, it just doesn't stand out from the crowd.

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS
Yeah you don't get to board the hype train when it turns out that PPSE's ultimate suit is a souped up Kampfer.

veekie
Dec 25, 2007

Dice of Chaos

toanoradian posted:

Question. The last Gundam show I remember watching is Seed (I've skimmed 00 on my brother's PC) and I have no knowledge on Gunpla beyond that they are figurines based on the Gundam franchise. Would I get lost watching this show?

I'm in the exact same position(SRW and SEED knowledge only) and I get my serving of in jokes and references from this thread instead of my head.

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aers
Feb 15, 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cVf3hYuHCM

Episode 11, featuring roughly 30 robots.

The bit right at the end of the episode, goddamn.

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