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BrianWilly posted:Just to clarify: Solomon Grundy was originally a villain for the first, golden age Green Lantern Alan Scott, who has very little to do with the modern Green Lantern Corps featuring that guy Ryan Reynolds played. One of the best battles with Grundy was Green Arrow vs. Grundy in the loving Batcave. Grundy considers Arrow a C-list opponent at best and he's there to smash the Bat. Arrow beats the crap out of him. Best quote from the fight, "I draw a 150# longbow. I may be a little stronger than I look."
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Axel Serenity posted:Guys gently caress YES!
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Spergatory posted:Speaking of Batman; are they still making the 'Gotham' show? Because that doesn't sound like a terribly compelling idea for a series to me. I'm sure Commissioner Gordon is a fine and interesting character in his own right but he can't really do anything, can he? All the Bat-villains still have to be around when Batman shows up, and Gotham City still has to be terrible so Batman can save it (or not). So it's a show where we know going in the protagonist is doomed to fail and that things are only ever going to get worse because he isn't really the protagonist (that's Batman). What exactly is the draw here? Gotham in theory isn't going to be about Batman. It's set in Gotham City, after Bruce's parents died(That's probably how the season opens If I have to guess), but before Bruce left to train. A 10 year old Bruce is supposedly a character in the series. It was probably another seperate crime drama in development when someone was like, Hey why don't we set this in Gotham City.
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Dec 12, 2013 17:28
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Didn't the crazies show up when Batman did, and not before? I'm all for a Gotham Central-like TV show... but only if you show the cops fighting actual Batman villains.
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Dec 12, 2013 17:47
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You could make it like an opposite Shield, have Gordon lie and deal with office politics while trying to be a good cop.
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Dec 12, 2013 17:53
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The only version of Salomon Grundy I knew was from Superfriends.
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Dec 12, 2013 18:29
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Call me a cynic but I think Gotham is about trying to cash in on some sweet sweet comic book money without having to make a comic book show. TV already knows how to do a rote police procedural so they're gonna stick with what they know.
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Crunk Abortion posted:Call me a cynic but I think Gotham is about trying to cash in on some sweet sweet comic book money without having to make a comic book show. TV already knows how to do a rote police procedural so they're gonna stick with what they know. If it's a police procedural with even half of Arrow's level of craziness, it's gonna be appointment television for me.
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Dec 12, 2013 19:11
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JayMax posted:The only version of Salomon Grundy I knew was from Superfriends. GRUNDY WANT PANTS TOO!
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Dec 12, 2013 19:17
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JohnSherman posted:If it's a police procedural with even half of Arrow's level of craziness, it's gonna be appointment television for me. It's on Fox and done by a completely different team (the creator of The Mentalist). And as of right now I wouldn't trust anything originating from DC not done by these people.
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Dec 12, 2013 19:27
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Someone mentioned this on the AV club comments, but it was so good not to say here. Since Slade is now going after everyone Oliver cares about, including Thea... her biological father might not like that  . Ollie/Malcolm teamup would be killer.
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Dec 12, 2013 19:42
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I'm not sure how I feel about the whistling noises when Arrow was fighting the Supergoon. Cityinthesea posted:Someone mentioned this on the AV club comments, but it was so good not to say here. Since Slade is now going after everyone Oliver cares about, including Thea... her biological father might not like that
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Dec 12, 2013 19:56
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Slade still called The Vigilante his friend, maybe there is hope for Slade to forgive Ollie? (After lots of awesome fighting of course) Gotta keep options open, not like this show is easy to predict.
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Dec 12, 2013 20:02
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Whoa, seriously that Flash origin scene. The music was awesome, I hope they use that as the Flash motif. Speaking of motifs I love how they always bust out the Arrow "wwwWWWWAAAAAAAAA" when Ollie starts kicking rear end. Also, haha Amell personally crushing dreams. 
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Dec 12, 2013 20:35
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hi liter posted:Slade still called The Vigilante his friend, maybe there is hope for Slade to forgive Ollie? (After lots of awesome fighting of course) What part of "shove an arrow in his eye" was most ambiguous to you?
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Dec 12, 2013 20:45
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jscolon2.0 posted:What part of "shove an arrow in his eye" was most ambiguous to you? But he said it in such a friendly manner!
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Dec 12, 2013 20:48
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jscolon2.0 posted:What part of "shove an arrow in his eye" was most ambiguous to you? Eyepatches are cool. He's going to help him look cool. He didn't say kill him.
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Geoff Johns And Andrew Kreisberg Talk THE FLASH's Future After ARROW's Electrifying Finalequote:"In the same way that "Arrow" was conducive to bringing on characters like Deadshot and the Huntress and some of the more grounded people, hopefully with "The Flash" there's a way to bring on some of the more fantastical characters, that will probably still go through the grounding lens with which we view everything," Kreisberg adds. "But we could tackle some of the bigger villains, and possibly heroes. There's a hint of a major character in the pilot." Many fans often demand that even more well-known DC superheroes are introduced through series' such as these, but the executive producer has a very good reason why that's not always necessarily the best idea. "It's always important to remember -- like with "Arrow," everybody wants Batman to come on and whatnot, but Arrow has to be the coolest person on "Arrow." The same thing with "The Flash" -- Barry has to be the coolest person." Here's the Flash origin scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynd-om7M4FY Notice the name of the anchor? zoux fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Dec 12, 2013 |
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Dec 12, 2013 20:50
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jscolon2.0 posted:What part of "shove an arrow in his eye" was most ambiguous to you? None of it? Just having fun speculating about possible twists coming down the line, while commenting on how this show does not shy away from strong emotions and aggressive (but sensible) character development.
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Dec 12, 2013 20:50
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zoux posted:
Nice. However, and I meant to bring this up before, I assume she's broadcasting from protests near the accelerator. She's dead now, right? It seriously blew up in a giant explosion. (I'm sure they'll hand wave it all away by clarifying she was not near it but drat)
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Dec 12, 2013 21:15
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zoux posted:Here's the Flash origin scene: Maybe she's Linda Park Senior 'cause I'm not sure I can handle Wally getting with someone who's older than his uncle. 
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Dec 12, 2013 21:31
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Also can I post a comic panel as long as it's not linked in line and spoilered?
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Dec 12, 2013 21:32
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So, I enjoyed the episode, it's great that they've got so much going on and it's all so good. (Felicity's actress was doing her best work in the early scenes there.) But it reminded me how much I wish the show had better writing - in terms of dialogue (their plotting is better than pretty much every other show right now). I would've liked them to do more with Shado (terrible name, by the way) during that little countdown that would've made it more tense and more emotional. I also felt they should've done more in a previous episode with Slade and Oliver in Slade's Fake Death Scene. He said some final words to Shado but there was nothing on the bromance. I mean, he trained Ollie and kept him alive on that island! The build up to the Slade reveal was a little silly when you hear that New Zealdian growl - we weren't exactly expecting Barrowman there. And I'm honestly a little disappointed by the twist, given that almost everyone from the island is still alive and out there. But it's kind of cool, anyway and it's not like they haven't hinted at this before. And poor Roger Cross. Goddamn. Guy gets unceremoniously killed off again!
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VagueRant posted:And I'm honestly a little disappointed by the twist, given that almost everyone from the island is still alive and out there. It's 2 people. Ollie met like 50 on that island.
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Dec 12, 2013 21:47
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Blame the comics for Shado's name. Mike Grell created her.
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Dec 12, 2013 21:47
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Yeah, Shado was built up until the bombing attack, after which she was basically tossed out in favour of Sarah. On the other hand, her character development was fairly glacial.
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In retrospect I was pretty irritated at Shado's death. I saw it coming, but I had really been hoping she'd show up in the present day to sow drama. Baby drama. Alas, they went in a different, fridgier direction.
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I think Sin is a more interesting character thence Laurel is.
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Slasherfan posted:I think Sin is a more interesting character thence Laurel is. Significantly so. Hell, Summer Glau's character is more interesting than Laurel and I can't even remember her name.
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VagueRant posted:The build up to the Slade reveal was a little silly when you hear that New Zealdian growl - we weren't exactly expecting Barrowman there. And I'm honestly a little disappointed by the twist, given that almost everyone from the island is still alive and out there. But it's kind of cool, anyway and it's not like they haven't hinted at this before. To be fair, I don't think the "reveal" is that it's Slade. The reveal is that he's missing an eye. zoux posted:Here's the Flash origin scene: Yeah, the episode last night pretty well validates the argument that this version of Flash is DC's answer to Spiderman. Everything from the score to the aesthetic of this scene comes straight out of the Sam Raimi Spiderman films. Whimsical Elfman-esque piano, vaguely expressionistic shadows all over the place, hyper-saturated color all over the frame... There's also a sort of earnest cheesiness to the way this and the "Barry arrives in Starling City" scenes are staged and composed. Barry arrives in driving rain, haplessly covering his head with a magazine...which happens to foreshadow the particle accelerator. The shot frames his Converse shoes near the curb (before showing his face, if I remember correctly), emphasizing his youth. There's something way more playful about his scenes; the tonal differences from Oliver's world in Arrow are so stark. (I should clarify: I'm psyched they're handling it this way. The Raimi Spiderman movies are actually pretty great, and kind of hit the right tone for a fantastical character like the Flash. Trying to portray him as a dour Nolan Batman type would be absurd, but this is on-point.)
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Xealot posted:To be fair, I don't think the "reveal" is that it's Slade. The reveal is that he's missing an eye. And that he knows what Ollie is up to, thusly has a good idea outside of his family that he is close to (felicity and diggle are in the crossfire), and we know he knows he has the advantage of the element of surprise on all of that. It was about the awesome position that Slade is in to screw Ollie's life up. Its the tension of Barrowman being alive and knowing Arrow's secret cranked up by a mirakuru special ops badass who taught him his moves and is bent on jamming a pointy stick in his eye. Blackchamber fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Dec 12, 2013 |
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Dec 12, 2013 23:21
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I'm just happy because it means Manu Bennett is going to be on the show more instead of being written out after "dying" on the island.
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So I haven't followed the machinations of this show at all: has The Flash been greenlight for his own series then?
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:So I haven't followed the machinations of this show at all: has The Flash been greenlight for his own series then? Yeah the original plan was to do the Flash episodes as a backdoor pilot to gauge interest, but the reaction was so positive they went ahead and greenlit a series.
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I have no words. So much joy right now.
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zoux posted:Yeah the original plan was to do the Flash episodes as a backdoor pilot to gauge interest, but the reaction was so positive they went ahead and greenlit a series. Interest has already been gauged at "maximum". I can't wait. Is it really scheduled for end of next year? There's an awful long time for a cliffhanger, so I hope they drop more in Arrow. But then, I also enjoy BBC's Sherlock, and that has had a cliffhanger for quite some time.
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Dracorion posted:Seems the "choice" Ollie made on the island was just to put himself between Ivo and the person he was pointed the gun at. Slade's just overreacting because LOVE. LOVE and being lied to for however long it goes on for. If Ollie had explained things before Sarah boned it up with the lie things would have probably gone different that's why it's tragic.
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Just to clarify; the Flash pilot has been greenlit. The series itself has not. If the CW likes the pilot, they'll order the series. If not, it'll disappear into the nether like Aquaman, never to be seen or heard from again. I really hope that doesn't happen. With this team, I don't really see how it could, but I don't want to get my hopes up too much. 
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VDay posted:I'm just happy because it means Manu Bennett is going to be on the show more instead of being written out after "dying" on the island. Given that Ollie says he's fought someone on Mirakuru before, we still have an epic on-island throwdown coming.
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